Mainframe Linux vs. Unix

2007-02-28 Thread Neale Ferguson
http://www.linuxtoday.com/high_performance/2007022803926OSDPHE "Today's new breed of smaller, cheaper mainframes, paired with the Linux operating system, look like an attractive alternative to Unix on RISC or SPARC servers. Linux on the mainframe seems to give us the best of all worlds: the depend

Re: Anyone have performance data for fs types with mysql?

2007-02-28 Thread Neale Ferguson
Use google to search on "Linux Symposium" from last year. It had a paper written by guys at SGI that compared various filesystems. It is Intel based but the lessons are applicable to zSeries. You most definitely do not want reiser, especially in an SMP environment: reiser will try and get hold of t

Anyone have performance data for fs types with mysql?

2007-02-28 Thread Brandon Darbro
Was wondering if anyone here has done some performance testing with Mysql databases and various filesystem types, like ext3, reiserfs, xfs and so on. I've seen some tendencies on google searches toward reiserfs for Mysql, but that's on Intel physical systems. Given that reiserfs has more cpu over

Re: SLES 10 YaST Network Changes

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 4:25 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bennie Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not a SLES or YaST user, but in RHEL I have come behind folks that > set the hostname/domain in kernel parms (/etc/sysctl.conf). Probably not > related, just mentioning what I have s

Re: SLES 9Service pack 3 - Source of installation?

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 5:09 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, James Melin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmm. I'm already pointed to you/novell.com on that machine. > > Update Configuration─┐ > Installation source │ > User- Defined Loca>┴

Re: SLES 9Service pack 3 - Source of installation?

2007-02-28 Thread James Melin
Hmm. I'm already pointed to you/novell.com on that machine. Update Configuration─┐ Installation source │ User-Defined Loca>┴ │ Location │ https://you.novell.com/update/▒▒ │ [New Serve

Re: SLES 9Service pack 3 - Source of installation?

2007-02-28 Thread James Melin
Murkier? Great. I'll try that against the you.novell.com and see what happens. Mark Post <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: Linux on 390 Port To

Re: SLES 9Service pack 3 - Source of installation?

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 2:17 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark Pace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2/28/07, Romanowski, John (OFT) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Can someone share how they mirror the SLES9 patches locally? >> >> I'd be interested in this also. It's done exactly the

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Post
For the purposes talked about in this case, the "free" command is sufficient. Mark Post -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of barton Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 2:08 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Vdisk I think there is a bet

Re: SLES 10 YaST Network Changes

2007-02-28 Thread Bennie Hicks
I'm not a SLES or YaST user, but in RHEL I have come behind folks that set the hostname/domain in kernel parms (/etc/sysctl.conf). Probably not related, just mentioning what I have seen before that got me on some manual clones. Mark Post wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 12:14 PM, in message <[

Re: SLES 9Service pack 3 - Source of installation?

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Pace
On 2/28/07, Romanowski, John (OFT) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can someone share how they mirror the SLES9 patches locally? I'd be interested in this also. -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems -- For LINUX-390 subscribe

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread barton
I think there is a better opportunity for a performance monitor that doesn't cost "obscene" amounts of resource, and reports correctly (Oh yah, ESALPS comes to mind) Mark Post wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 11:29 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Adam Thornton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

Re: SLES 9Service pack 3 - Source of installation?

2007-02-28 Thread Romanowski, John (OFT)
Can someone share how they mirror the SLES9 patches locally? I'm interested in which command (rsync, wget, ?) and which parameters, I'd run to mirror the SLES9 internet-based patch site onto local disk. I have a Novell SLES9 maintenance contract and access to the site. Before Novell bought Suse

Re: SLES 9Service pack 3 - Source of installation?

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Pace
On 2/28/07, James Melin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm pointing at novell currently, and I ran that update command. Still no change on the SPident results. James - Try the SPindent - I had the same issue. Once I ran this I found a software product not being updated automatically. I manu

Re: SLES 9Service pack 3 - Source of installation?

2007-02-28 Thread James Melin
I am presuming you are pointing at the novell install servers or a local copy you maintain by daily update? I'm pointing at novell currently, and I ran that update command. Still no change on the SPident results. Obviously I am missing something on how to make YOU find the SP3 patches. If you ha

Re: SLES 10 YaST Network Changes

2007-02-28 Thread KEETON Dave * OR SDC
Thanks, Mark. I see my error was in assuming lower case on the hostname file. I found it thanks to your suggestion. I'm still not sure why YaST hangs, but I am at least able to change the name manually. Regards, Dave -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On

Re: SLES 10 YaST Network Changes

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 12:14 PM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave Keeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -snip- > Has anyone else seen this? Does anyone know where SuSE stores its > hostname variable (other than /etc/hostname which doesn't appear to be > read by YaST). I can use the "hostname

SLES 10 YaST Network Changes

2007-02-28 Thread Dave Keeton
I'm seeing an issue when I try to change the hostname on cloned SLES10 guests. When making changes to the network config through YaST, I am able to change the name, but when YaST goes to save the changes, it hangs on "Write hostname and DNS configuration". It never completes. Has anyone else seen

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 11:29 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Adam Thornton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 28, 2007, at 9:53 AM, Levy, Alan wrote: > >> When I do a TOP, the Performance Toolkit shows a spike to 90% of the >> cpu. When I ctrl- C out of top, it goes down to 32% (normal)

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Adam Thornton
On Feb 28, 2007, at 9:53 AM, Levy, Alan wrote: When I do a TOP, the Performance Toolkit shows a spike to 90% of the cpu. When I ctrl-C out of top, it goes down to 32% (normal). This one server is a memory hog. It uses Tomcat (on sles9 sp3) with 350 connections at one time (I do not own this ser

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Levy, Alan
When I do a TOP, the Performance Toolkit shows a spike to 90% of the cpu. When I ctrl-C out of top, it goes down to 32% (normal). This one server is a memory hog. It uses Tomcat (on sles9 sp3) with 350 connections at one time (I do not own this server, I just set it up and we are currently rearchi

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Adam Thornton
On Feb 28, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Levy, Alan wrote: Unfortunately, I cannot do a TOP. It blows my server away. In the words of the inestimable Mr. Loaf: "Stop right there!" This is indicative of something very, very seriously wrong. I mean, *very* wrong. Now, maybe all you meant is the relativel

Re: SLES 9Service pack 3 - Source of installation?

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 10:17 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, James Melin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps I am mistaken, but is it not possible to use Yast Online Update to > apply SP3? I always do it from the command line: online_update -l en_us security recommended patchlevel docu

Re: Fcp and zlinux

2007-02-28 Thread Clovis Pereira
One good thing I like on SUSE distributions is the documentation on directory /docu on first instalation CD. I dont't saw it on others distros. Until Sles9 many Redbooks was included. Very usefull. But on Sles10 (at lest on a copy I saw), only few Suse manuals are available. __

Re: SLES 9Service pack 3 - Source of installation?

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Pace
On 2/28/07, James Melin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I put on all recommended maintenance to a test system but now SPident is saying : CONCLUSION: System is NOT up-to-date! foundSLES-9-s390x-SP2 + "online updates" expected SLES-9-s390x-SP3 try SPident - <- 4 v's This will b

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Levy, Alan
Unfortunately, I cannot do a TOP. It blows my server away. Here's a free: total used free sharedbuffers cached Mem: 15509841547956 3028 0 1440 34324 -/+ buffers/cache:1512192 38792 Swap: 1583792 2207961362996 -

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Levy, Alan
Of the 30 servers I have now, only 3 are currently swapping (and not much). Btw: I got the 2 x memory algorithm from IBM and I've been using it for about 4 years now. I am not having any problems with 1G swap on dasd but lately have seen many people talking about vdisk as a replacement. I can ge

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread David Boyes
> > Many of the 30 servers run intense java applications. Some of them are > > at 2G logon memory and they still swap. > > What would you recommend as swap space for these users ? Can you post what a sample server is actually using? Example (from 'top' on a lightly loaded guest): Mem: 1036016k

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Rich Smrcina
A mod 9 is ~7GB, 3 mod3's is the same as a mod 9. So you have ~21GB. Mark Post wrote: On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 9:55 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Levy, Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks for the answer. 1) Make sure you have sufficient paging space to back CP allocating 1G of pag

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Pieter Harder
And from practical experience I say be generous with paging space. The day you will be glad having it will probably come sooner than later. Best regards, Pieter Harder [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel +31-73-6837133 / +31-6-47272537 >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 28-02-2007 16:15 >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread David Boyes
> I have one mod9 and 6 mod3 for paging (total pages 5281K) - abo0ut 38% > used right now. Would this be sufficient ? Hmm. Without knowing the usage patterns of your system, and not having perf data, I'd be cautious in saying it's enough for total safety, but it looks like enough to get started w/

SLES 9Service pack 3 - Source of installation?

2007-02-28 Thread James Melin
Perhaps I am mistaken, but is it not possible to use Yast Online Update to apply SP3? I put on all recommended maintenance to a test system but now SPident is saying : CONCLUSION: System is NOT up-to-date! foundSLES-9-s390x-SP2 + "online updates" expected SLES-9-s390x-SP3 the sles-rele

2007-02-28 Recommended Linux on System z code & manual drop to developerWorks

2007-02-28 Thread Gerhard Hiller
Please refer to: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/linux390/whatsnew.html for the 2007-02-28 change summary: 1) "October 2005 stream": > Recommended kernel 2.6.16 patches: - Patch 13 with new functionality - optional add-on patch Kernel NSS Support - optional add-on patch S

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 9:55 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Levy, Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the answer. > > 1) Make sure you have sufficient paging space to back CP allocating 1G > of pages per guest. The initial allocation that comes with VM isn't big > enough, and

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 9:57 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Levy, Alan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Many of the 30 servers run intense java applications. Some of them are > at 2G logon memory and they still swap. > > What would you recommend as swap space for these users ? You would

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Rich Smrcina
Look at your disk swap utilization (not allocation) for those servers and use that much for vdisk. Of course you may want to add some for any storage need spikes. Levy, Alan wrote: Many of the 30 servers run intense java applications. Some of them are at 2G logon memory and they still swap. Wh

Re: Fcp and zlinux

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 7:45 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Lee, Gary D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sir: > > That seemed to work. > The module is now loaded. > Now I think I need to create this mapping information. > I've got everything I need except the lun created by the san. > I

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Levy, Alan
Many of the 30 servers run intense java applications. Some of them are at 2G logon memory and they still swap. What would you recommend as swap space for these users ? Alan Levy VM/Linux Administrator W: 718-403-8020 C: 347-401-4629 -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[E

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Levy, Alan
Thanks for the answer. 1) Make sure you have sufficient paging space to back CP allocating 1G of pages per guest. The initial allocation that comes with VM isn't big enough, and while you won't use it all at once, you WILL eventually need it. I have one mod9 and 6 mod3 for paging (total pages 528

Re: Fw: dasd is not active ??

2007-02-28 Thread Caleb C Ong
The lpar that i am using is the same one i used for the sles9/zvm. I actually shutdown the zvm lpar and then do a LOAD from CDrom for this same lpar. So it is strange that i still get the "dasd is not active". I checked the other lpars and made sure that all other lpars have the dasd addresses (

Re: Fw: dasd is not active ??

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Post
>>> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 9:27 AM, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Caleb C Ong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just to clarify, I am ipling from the HMC cdrom (using sles9 cd1) . after > ipl i setup the osa network and using samba to window server. > After i start ssh session, i logon as root to

Re: Fw: dasd is not active ??

2007-02-28 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 2/28/07, Caleb C Ong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just to clarify, I am ipling from the HMC cdrom (using sles9 cd1) . after ipl i setup the osa network and using samba to window server. After i start ssh session, i logon as root to start YAST. sorry , wasn't so clear about this. So the confi

Fw: dasd is not active ??

2007-02-28 Thread Caleb C Ong
Just to clarify, I am ipling from the HMC cdrom (using sles9 cd1) . after ipl i setup the osa network and using samba to window server. After i start ssh session, i logon as root to start YAST. sorry , wasn't so clear about this. Caleb C. Ong IBM Global Services IT-Specialist Tel :995-2131

Re: dasd is not active ??

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Pace
On 2/28/07, Caleb C Ong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I tried to manually online the device using : echo 1 > sys/bus/ccw/devices/0.0.4549/online when i do a cat /sys/bus/ccw/devices/0.0.4549/online it always shows 0. You may also want to verify that the disks are in fact connected to your virt

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread David Boyes
Strictly speaking, yes. But, if you don't use it all, you can get away with overcommitting to some degree. Your performance monitor can tell you how much you can get away with. -Original Message- From: "Harold Grovesteen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU" Sent: 2/28/07

Re: dasd is not active ??

2007-02-28 Thread Peter 1 Oberparleiter
Caleb C Ong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 28.02.2007 12:07:43: > when i do a cat /sys/bus/ccw/devices/0.0.4549/online > > it always shows 0. Make sure the dasd modules are loaded (dasd_mod, dasd_diag_mod, dasd_fba_mod, dasd_eckd_mod) and try again. If that doesn't help look in the output of 'dme

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 2/28/07, Harold Grovesteen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The swap space will not be reclaimed, just moved from the Linux guests to VM, correct? Yes, you need to add paging disks to z/VM to support the increased demand through the VDISK. For good paging performance you need to remain under 50%

dasd is not active ??

2007-02-28 Thread Caleb C Ong
I am trying to install sles9 on a 3390 disk. I've already installed sles9 on top of vm and this is working already. I logon as root, start YAST. When i go thru yast panels, i tried to "ACTIVATE" the two 3390 disks that i will be using. There is no error message. when i tried to format the dasd,

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Harold Grovesteen
From Alan Levy: It would be nice to reclaim the 1G of swap dasd space for the user to use. David Boyes wrote: You definitely need to be sure you have CP paging space sufficient to back all the allocated VDISK you define, though -- that's just a good safety net. The swap space will not be r

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Perry
Rob van der Heij wrote: I know someone who runs multiple SAP systems in production with 16 GB of swap space each, primarily to satisfy the vendor requirements. Because of CP limitations they come in portions of 2 GB, so only the first one is being used to swap, if any. He monitors the usage of th

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Rob van der Heij
On 2/28/07, Mark Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I will be experimenting over the next few months (with SLES10) to see what "really" works for SAP on zLinux under z/VM using VDISK. I know someone who runs multiple SAP systems in production with 16 GB of swap space each, primarily to satis

Re: Vdisk

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Perry
Mark Post wrote: Why do you have 1GB of swap defined for each guest? That sounds far too high for most uses. Are you following the rule of thumb to use "twice the amount of physical RAM?" If so, you shouldn't be doing that. It's not even valid in the midrange world any more, although a lot