Re: Old IBM Mainframe - Still Useful?

2009-03-24 Thread Rich Smrcina
Andrew Wiley wrote: There's also the benefit of exposing students to the idea that mainframes are still alive and useful (most textbooks these days cite mainframes as an example of obselete technology that existed before PC's, unfortunately), and, if possible, it would let me offer mainframe prog

Re: Old IBM Mainframe - Still Useful?

2009-03-24 Thread Andrew Wiley
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 8:23 PM, John Summerfield < deb...@herakles.homelinux.org> wrote: > Andrew Wiley wrote: > > >> >>> Some questions: >>> 1. How many users do you anticipate? >>> >> >> >> I know that I expect to run, at most, about 20 VM's. That number may rise >> in >> the coming years, but

Re: Old IBM Mainframe - Still Useful?

2009-03-24 Thread John Summerfield
Andrew Wiley wrote: On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:21 PM, John Summerfield < deb...@herakles.homelinux.org> wrote: Andrew Wiley wrote: Secondly, if I couldn't get VM with the mainframe (which is looking pretty likely), would it be better to run separate LPAR's of linux, a single LPAR of linux wit

Re: Old IBM Mainframe - Still Useful?

2009-03-24 Thread Andrew Wiley
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 7:21 PM, John Summerfield < deb...@herakles.homelinux.org> wrote: > Andrew Wiley wrote: > > >> Secondly, if I couldn't get VM with the mainframe (which is looking pretty >> likely), would it be better to run separate LPAR's of linux, a single LPAR >> of linux with linux-vse

Re: Windows an linux under z/VM

2009-03-24 Thread John Summerfield
Alan Cox wrote: On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:31:39 -0600 Mark Post wrote: On 3/23/2009 at 11:46 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: -snip- No doubt Mark is correct re the usability of the z KVM at present, but one would imagine that has to improve. I wasn't speaking about KVM on any particular architecture

Re: Old IBM Mainframe - Still Useful?

2009-03-24 Thread John Summerfield
Andrew Wiley wrote: Secondly, if I couldn't get VM with the mainframe (which is looking pretty likely), would it be better to run separate LPAR's of linux, a single LPAR of linux with linux-vserver (http://linux-vserver.org/), or a combination of both? That would need some testing: http://lin

Re: Intel Chip Vulnerability

2009-03-24 Thread Fernando Gieseler
Guys, The paper described in the article is avaliable in http://invisiblethingslab.com/resources/misc09/smm_cache_fun.pdf Regards, Fernando Gieseler _ Technical Sales Specialist for System z - Linux and z/VM - IBM Brasil fone: +55-51-2131-5848 cel: +55-5

Re: Intel Chip Vulnerability

2009-03-24 Thread David Boyes
On 3/24/09 6:49 PM, "Fernando Gieseler" wrote: > Well, recently a vulnerability of Cache memory in Intel Chip was > published. > Sorry by off-topic message, but I think it is worth reading. I would agree. There's an excellent analysis of these two papers in this months IEEE Spectrum. Another go

Intel Chip Vulnerability

2009-03-24 Thread Fernando Gieseler
Hi Guys, Well, recently a vulnerability of Cache memory in Intel Chip was published. Sorry by off-topic message, but I think it is worth reading. Regards, Intel Chip Vulnerability Could Lead to Stealthy Rootkits By Brian Prince 2009-03-20 Security researchers have turned the spotlight on an

Re: Old IBM Mainframe - Still Useful?

2009-03-24 Thread Staller, Allan
First off, I know what an LPAR is, but what benefits are provided by VM that make it preferable over LPAR's? I would guess that VM can share resources more efficiently, but from what I'm reading, LPAR's are supposed to be able to dynamically share resources as well? I'm sure there must be a clear

Re: Windows an linux under z/VM

2009-03-24 Thread Florian Bilek
Hugo, The trick does QEMU (http://www.nongnu.org/qemu/). All other virtualisation options that are currently available do not provide you with X86 architecture on z/Series. I tried Windows 2003 Server to install and this was working. Depending on which z/Series machine you have, the emulation is

Re: Old IBM Mainframe - Still Useful?

2009-03-24 Thread Andrew Wiley
I haven't gotten a response, but I've been doing more research, and I've managed to come up with more questions. First off, I know what an LPAR is, but what benefits are provided by VM that make it preferable over LPAR's? I would guess that VM can share resources more efficiently, but from what I'm

Re: Windows an linux under z/VM

2009-03-24 Thread Alan Cox
On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 10:31:39 -0600 Mark Post wrote: > >>> On 3/23/2009 at 11:46 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: > -snip- > > No doubt Mark is correct re the usability of the z KVM at present, but one > > would imagine that has to improve. > > I wasn't speaking about KVM on any particular architecture.

Re: Windows an linux under z/VM

2009-03-24 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 3/23/2009 at 11:46 PM, Shane Ginnane wrote: -snip- > No doubt Mark is correct re the usability of the z KVM at present, but one > would imagine that has to improve. I wasn't speaking about KVM on any particular architecture. It's a nightmare for everyone. If Xen is any illustration, I

Re: Windows an linux under z/VM

2009-03-24 Thread David Boyes
On 3/23/09 11:46 PM, "Shane Ginnane" wrote: >> Interesting, but requires Xen or KVM to work in current form, and relies > on >> being able to just pass through instructions to the base hardware for > things >> that don't require privileged ops. > > I don't see that as an intrinsic problem. > Rem

Re: Support of z/VM and zLinux environments

2009-03-24 Thread Graves, Aaron
The z/VM group here has historically handled zLinux. With the dramatic expansion of zLinux, we have changed that to the z/VM group handling zLinux engineering, with the distributed SA groups taking on the day to day zLinux administration. Aaron Graves SVP Citi Architecture and Technology Engi

Re: Support of z/VM and zLinux environments

2009-03-24 Thread Spann, Elizebeth (Betsie)
My company has two VM sysprogs for the TPF development environment. I support the VM systems that run zLinux (4). Betsie -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:linux-...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Ross Johnson Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:48 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU

Re: Support of z/VM and zLinux environments

2009-03-24 Thread Lionel B Dyck
IN our organization (for now) we support z/vm and the linux group supports linux. Lionel B. Dyck, Consultant/Specialist ?Never attribute to malice what can be caused by miscommunication.? NOTICE TO RECIPIENT: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are prohibited from sharin

Re: Solaris v. Linux

2009-03-24 Thread Harold Grovesteen
Erik, enterprises don't care about most of what you are discussing. What they do care about is what Marcy said: support. Until ISV support is there for OpenSolaris on System z, OpenSolaris will have limited growth and Linux will continue to expand. After that, technical merits may contribute more

Re: Old IBM Mainframe - Still Useful?

2009-03-24 Thread Erik N Johnson
You are quite right that they have made their choice, but, as I say, it is immaterial which path they choose. M$ Office cannot continue to dominate that market when there are serious, inter-operable products available with a totally Free license at no cost. Especially with everybody looking to tr