Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by default; Desktop/audio RT developers, read this!

2009-06-25 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 06/26/2009 12:32 PM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 17:25 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 18:44 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.c

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by default; Desktop/audio RT developers, read this!

2009-06-25 Thread Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 13:15 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > Argh. I should try to find the SCHED_RESET_ON_FORK thread(s) on lkml to > see what was argued. It looks like this is all I can find... not a lot of arguing: 2nd try: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/5/29/57 3rd version: http://lkml.org

Re: [LAD] [ANNOUNCE] Safe real-time on the desktop by default; Desktop/audio RT developers, read this!

2009-06-25 Thread Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 17:25 -0700, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > On Tue, 2009-06-23 at 18:44 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Fernando > > Lopez-Lezcano wrote: > > > > > > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10361 > > > (referenced inside the previous ticket

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Stefano D'Angelo
2009/6/25 David Robillard : > On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 21:47 +0100, Chris Cannam wrote: >> (I've never really got on with the idea of using ~/.ladspa instead of >> ~/ladspa -- these are perhaps substantial binary files, why hide them >> in a configuration directory? -- but it seemed to be widespread f

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Chris Cannam wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Jeff McClintock >> wrote: >> >>> Windows has official rules for this. Users are no longer allowed to >>> add >>> random files to an application's directory in "/Program Files/Appname". >>> >> >> Oh! This is new

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Chris Cannam wrote: > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Jeff McClintock wrote: > >> Windows has official rules for this. Users are no longer allowed to add >> random files to an application's directory in "/Program Files/Appname". >> > > Oh! This is news to me -- interesting news too, give

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Jeff McClintock wrote: >>> Windows (i.e. "%ProgramFiles%\LADSPA Plugins\rdf"). ?Not that I >>> generally build with LRDF support on Windows anyway. >>> >> This makes sense to me, if only it could be made "official"... >> (windows paths too) >> > > Windows has official rules for this. U

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Chris Cannam
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Jeff McClintock wrote: > Windows has official rules for this.  Users are no longer allowed to add > random files to an application's directory in "/Program Files/Appname". Oh! This is news to me -- interesting news too, given that I distribute Windows versions of

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Jeff McClintock
> > Windows (i.e. "%ProgramFiles%\LADSPA Plugins\rdf"). ?Not that I > > generally build with LRDF support on Windows anyway. > > This makes sense to me, if only it could be made "official"... > (windows paths too) Windows has official rules for this. Users are no longer allowed to add random fil

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Jan Weil wrote: > (multiple versions of jackd etc.). > For Linux I'm just a user and not a coder, so my input here might not be clever, but it's from the sight of a user ;). If I'm fine with versions of libs, I might use a new Linux install too, because for some reasons there might be the ne

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Stefano D'Angelo
2009/6/25 Jan Weil > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 05:47:23PM +0200, Stefano D'Angelo wrote: > > In case of multiple occourrences, myabe it's better to check for stat()'s > > st_mtime to decide which one to load? However, I don't see any of such > > mechanisms officially specified anywhere (apart from

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Jan Weil
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 05:47:23PM +0200, Stefano D'Angelo wrote: > In case of multiple occourrences, myabe it's better to check for stat()'s > st_mtime to decide which one to load? However, I don't see any of such > mechanisms officially specified anywhere (apart from the "If present, this > shoul

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Chris Cannam
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Chris Cannam wrote: >> >> Well, I suppose the user might want the older-installed version to >> take priority. > > Sorry, if I should miss the thread, but I randomly read the latest mail. > > I'm using Linux and Windows and I like the behaviour

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Chris Cannam wrote: > Well, I suppose the user might want the older-installed version to > take priority. Sorry, if I should miss the thread, but I randomly read the latest mail. I'm using Linux and Windows and I like the behaviour for VST versions (on Windows). Even if an old and new version ha

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Stefano D'Angelo
2009/6/25 Chris Cannam > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Stefano D'Angelo > wrote: > > What about using stat() to choose the latest? > > Well, I suppose the user might want the older-installed version to > take priority. I don't think it's all that unusual to deliberately > try to select the ve

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread David Robillard
On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 21:47 +0100, Chris Cannam wrote: > (I've never really got on with the idea of using ~/.ladspa instead of > ~/ladspa -- these are perhaps substantial binary files, why hide them > in a configuration directory? -- but it seemed to be widespread for > LADSPA hosts at the time DSS

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Chris Cannam
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Stefano D'Angelo wrote: > What about using stat() to choose the latest? Well, I suppose the user might want the older-installed version to take priority. I don't think it's all that unusual to deliberately try to select the version of the plugin that you set up yo

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Stefano D'Angelo
2009/6/25 Chris Cannam : > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Stefano D'Angelo wrote: >> I am asking this to you as well, Chris, how does this kind of ordering >> affect discovery? > > A library of a given name may exist in more than one place.  Is it > preferable to allow the non-root user to overri

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Stefano D'Angelo
2009/6/25 Jan Weil > On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 05:25:48AM +0200, Stefano D'Angelo wrote: > > 2009/6/24 David Robillard : > > > On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 17:55 +0200, Stefano D'Angelo wrote: > > >> Hereby I propose some default paths which could be used, in the hope > > >> that API authors lurking aroun

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Chris Cannam
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Stefano D'Angelo wrote: > I am asking this to you as well, Chris, how does this kind of ordering > affect discovery? A library of a given name may exist in more than one place. Is it preferable to allow the non-root user to override the system version of the libra

Re: [LAD] RFC: Default discovery paths for LADSPA, LRDF, LV2 and DSSI (and more?)

2009-06-25 Thread Jan Weil
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 05:25:48AM +0200, Stefano D'Angelo wrote: > 2009/6/24 David Robillard : > > On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 17:55 +0200, Stefano D'Angelo wrote: > >> Hereby I propose some default paths which could be used, in the hope > >> that API authors lurking around here might want to recommend