Quoting "Paul Davis" :
>* The FSF is on crack if they believe that you can possibly call a
> LADSPA host a derivative work of any number of LADSPA
> plugins unless the host automatically loads and uses those
> plugins to provide non-optional functionality to the user.
I think this i
Sorry you got this twice Hermann, I am still used to the reply munging that
was gotten rid of some time ago.
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:52 PM, hermann wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Yes, I don't understand why people mean linux audio is a mess, last
> day's I have setup a new box with debian/sid and it took m
Am Donnerstag, den 06.08.2009, 00:54 +0200 schrieb Malte Steiner:
> > Linux audio is a total mess... a normal human being can't work with pro
> > audio on Linux, unless he/she spent hours and hours to learn the little
> > tricks or he has an expert available who helps him...
> >
> > I spent 5 ho
Hi,
A recent observation has been made of the jack + pulse audio union that
it uses up a lot of resources when running. It's not the first report
that running pulse + jack causes things to overheat and lockup. The
report was posted to the jack-devel list a couple of days ago.
According to the
On 08/06/2009 03:16 AM, David Robillard wrote:
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 21:53 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
> From TFA:
--8<--
Go to System->Preferences->Sound, click on the Devices tab, and check
out the pulldown menu next to ‘Sound Events’ at the top of the
On 6 Aug 2009, at 01:44, drew Roberts wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 July 2009 20:32:03 Simon Jenkins wrote:
>> Until and unless you have Bob's preview source files
>> with GPL headers all present and correct, you don't have a license
>> for
>> the mods in that code.
>
> Huh?
>
> If I get a binary from
On Sunday 02 August 2009 09:41:57 Arnold Krille wrote:
> Standard contracts for employees include that the copyrights of their
> productive work during company time is property of the company. And that
> includes software...
>
> Arnold
OK, but what about the copyrights of their non productive work
On Sunday 02 August 2009 08:25:19 Dave Phillips wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Just out of curiosity, how many participants in this discussion are
> copyright holders ? How many of you have published works under copyright ?
+1 people
+many works
but surely this is almost a trick question even though it
On Sunday 26 July 2009 09:31:10 lase...@gmail.com wrote:
> It does not make any difference whether the copyright holder of
> Impro-Visor declares it as GPL or not. Once you use GPL code in
> your application it too must be GPL. That is the viral nature of GPL.
> Again, FSF and the FAQ on GPL. Read
Just realised this needed to go to both lists... bah.
Seablade
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Thomas Vecchione wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:19 AM, James Stone wrote:
>
>> The Mac fanboi backlash is by turns amusing and irritating but
>> always unsurprising.
>>
>
> I wonder if I fall
On Saturday 25 July 2009 19:20:35 Arnold Krille wrote:
> If someone says software A is released as GPL and doesn't release the
> source (upon request) its not GPL.
Why not? Careful now. If I give you an original binary of mine and a GPL
license to it, do you want to have the rights to my program
On Saturday 25 July 2009 18:14:45 Sampo Savolainen wrote:
> Of course this becomes much more hairy when there are more than one
> copyright holders.
Which seems to be the case in this instance and why this all came up but I
just got back on the net and may have misunderstood or missed something.
On Saturday 25 July 2009 15:04:05 Grammostola Rosea wrote:
> The guy removed the preview version from his website.
> You don't have to release the source of development versions.
Right. Unless you distribute the development versions then:
> You don't have to make your source available, but people
On Wednesday 29 July 2009 08:20:18 Chris Cannam wrote:
> An appropriate remedy for the problem might be for you
> to ensure that you comply with my license (e.g. publish under the GPL)
> or desist from publication, but your users can't enact that remedy for
> themselves.
>
>
> Chris
Chris,
I thin
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 21:05:41 drew Roberts wrote:
> On Tuesday 28 July 2009 22:38:18 lase...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Whether he wanted to or not, use of GPL code makes it GPL code.
>
> I don't think this is correct. It would only mean that if he were not to
> GPL the code he would be in violati
On Wednesday 29 July 2009 02:53:35 Arnout Engelen wrote:
> You cannot claim someone failed to distribute software under the GPL, and
> at the same time take said software and excercise the rights that *would*
> have been granted to you *if* the software was distributed under the GPL.
I think you c
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 22:38:18 lase...@gmail.com wrote:
> Whether he wanted to or not, use of GPL code makes it GPL code.
I don't think this is correct. It would only mean that if he were not to GPL
the code he would be in violation of the original author's copyrights (this
is a generic he her
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 22:12:44 Simon Jenkins wrote:
> He
> SHOULD have licensed his modifications under the GPL but he DIDN'T
> (remember?) which means you don't have a license for the modifications.
Where do you see this breaking down?
Let's take a few made up examples:
I write a program
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 20:32:03 Simon Jenkins wrote:
> Until and unless you have Bob's preview source files
> with GPL headers all present and correct, you don't have a license for
> the mods in that code.
Huh?
If I get a binary from someone that claims to be GPL, the GPL surely gives me
th
> Linux audio is a total mess... a normal human being can't work with pro
> audio on Linux, unless he/she spent hours and hours to learn the little
> tricks or he has an expert available who helps him...
>
> I spent 5 hours last week to help somebody to get his (pro) audio
> working on Linux..
2009/8/5 Grammostola Rosea :
> Linux audio is a total mess... a normal human being can't work with pro
> audio on Linux, unless he/she spent hours and hours to learn the little
> tricks or he has an expert available who helps him...
What is the purpose of telling this mailing list this?
> I spen
David Robillard wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 21:53 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
>
>> >From TFA:
>>
>> --8<--
>> Go to System->Preferences->Sound, click on the Devices tab, and check
>> out the pulldown menu next to ‘Sound Events’ at the top of the panel.
>> Yo
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 11:25:16PM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> way over my head, but it would give me a warm fuzzy feeling if some
> hotshot linux audio people were attending:
> http://www.osadl.org/RTLWS-2009.rtlws-2009.0.html
I plan to be there. Just read about this, but end of September
On Thursday 06 August 2009 00:41:23 Esben Stien wrote:
> Fons Adriaensen writes:
> > Rack mount is preferred but not essential.
> What are you talking about..!?!?. Of course, it's essential;).
Some metal brackets and some screws will do nicely. No need to pay some
vendors overpriced metal bracke
Raymond Martin writes:
> Your PSU can make a difference in terms of noise
For your noise and dust needs..
http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=665
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Esben Stien is b...@e s a
http://www. s tn m
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Jörn Nettingsmeier writes:
> if noise is not a problem, no problem. if it is, check the silent boxes
> from thomas-krenn.com
If noise or dust is a problem, which of course, it is, you'd go for
water cooling.
http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=372
--
Esben Stien
Fons Adriaensen writes:
> I'm looking for a high performance (e.g. quad core) machine to be used
> for audio processing (and running Linux of course).
There's six cores available now, btw.
For serious boards, there's really only Tyan and iWill. There's also
supermicro in that class, but I don't
way over my head, but it would give me a warm fuzzy feeling if some
hotshot linux audio people were attending:
http://www.osadl.org/RTLWS-2009.rtlws-2009.0.html
best,
jörn
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lwn.net has a very nice article on the progress of -rt in the latest .31
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On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 21:53 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote:
> >From TFA:
>
> --8<--
> Go to System->Preferences->Sound, click on the Devices tab, and check
> out the pulldown menu next to ‘Sound Events’ at the top of the panel.
> You will see various acronyms, possib
On Tuesday 04 August 2009 16:16:11 Chris Cannam wrote:
> Uh, that's a lot of A, B and X... you mean a company provides GPL'd
> code to another, for money, for use in-house or in a service, on the
> tacit understanding that it will go no further?
You don't need that understanding. You just need it
>From TFA:
--8<--
Go to System->Preferences->Sound, click on the Devices tab, and check
out the pulldown menu next to ‘Sound Events’ at the top of the panel.
You will see various acronyms, possibly including cryptic-looking
technologies like OSS, ESD, ALSA, JACK, an
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 12:33 +0200, jaromil wrote:
> still, myself being a person working in education, i think the problem
> is more structural: i'd rather question why students in a school
> should be contributing to a professor's project, rather than starting
> one on their own? they coul
For what its worth...
I received this from AJ at Beat Kangz. Could have just been an honest
mistake really. I still have mixed emotions.
---
*Hey Guys*
*
*
*I have personaly contacted the creators of the LADSP plug ins we used
and let them know our plans etc. In a rush to get the product out
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:31 PM, drew Roberts wrote:
> On Sunday 19 July 2009 13:24:25 Paul Davis wrote:
>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM, wrote:
>> > To paraphrase the GPL, "the source code must be available along with the
>> > binary in the same/normal medium of distribution or a written offer
2009/8/5 Frank Barknecht :
> Quotint the GPL-FAQ. However applied to LADSPA this would mean, that
> GPL-plug-ins are not allowed in commercial software *at all*,
That's been *my* understanding of the GPL too:
It just doesn't want GPL'd software to be used by proprietary software
in any way.
That'
On Sunday 19 July 2009 13:24:25 Paul Davis wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM, wrote:
> > To paraphrase the GPL, "the source code must be available along with the
> > binary in the same/normal medium of distribution or a written offer
> > (valid for three years) must accompany the distribut
Frank Barknecht wrote:
> here's an excellent read about Kim Casone (of .microsound and this list, too)
> switching from Mac to Linux:
>
> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/08/04/linux-music-workflow-switching-from-mac-os-x-to-ubuntu-with-kim-cascone/
> (URL in one line)
Yup, that also hit the Sl
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Sampo Savolainen wrote:
> Quoting "Steve Harris" :
>
>> An update.
>>
>> I've been contacted by the company that sells this software, asking
>> for retrospective permission, or something along those lines.
> I wonder if we have received the same email? The email I g
Call me cynical, and the plugin authors certainly have the last say,
but there seems to be a rather large dose of hypocrisy going on
here
I think it would be safe to say that if this AJ character decided to
post here then things would get a little more heated and some anger
would b
LAC sponsor... super smart suggestion
ron
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:05 AM, Steve Harris wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2009, at 09:38, Arnold Krille wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday 05 August 2009 09:53:21 Sampo Savolainen wrote:
> >> So, at least at the moment I'm leaning towards accepting the offered
> >> solutio
Florian Schirmer wrote:
> For OSX the top three are Logic, Live and ProTools. For Windows the
> top two are Cubase and Live. Overall there are more OSX than Windows
> users, since the switch to Intel based OSX systems the gap is steadily
> increasing. Again this depends on which user group and t
In my assessment, while Windows XP was usable for RT audio,
Vista is not. So I am surprised to hear that people using commercial
media apps prefer it to OSX, which supports audio and media much
more integrally (and Apple seems to have deliberately invested in
development for this side of the OS).
Hi,
On 05.08.2009, at 14:32, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> A lot of professional studios changed from MacOS to Windows and
>>> more and
>>> more of the professional studios still change from MacOS to Windows.
>>> This isn't an opinion by me, but what I hear if I get in contact
>>> with
>>> people I
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 12:33:27 jaromil wrote:
> still, myself being a person working in education, i think the problem
> is more structural: i'd rather question why students in a school
> should be contributing to a professor's project, rather than starting
> one on their own? they co
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 10:02 +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
> Consensus seems to be that they need to distribute code for the
> plugins they include, but whether they are allowed to ship the plugins
> is another question.
>
> The crazy thing is that if they shipped their host in one package, and
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:37 AM, David Robillard wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 10:10 +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 08:33:22AM +0100, Nick Bailey wrote:
>>
>> > Well, calling it your own is out of order, but as long as they release
>> > their
>> > source code as required
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 15:55 +0100, Chris Cannam wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Dr Nicholas J
> Bailey wrote:
> > On Tuesday 04 Aug 2009 09:10:21 Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> >> - Is a program that loads LADSPA plugins (at run time) a
> >> 'derived work' ? Note that anyone can create a 'clea
Steve Harris wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2009, at 10:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>> victor wrote:
>>> I note, interestingly, that even though in Linux circles (at LAC for
>>> instance), people keep mentioning MS Windows as a rival OS,
>>> for us it's really Apple and OSX that constitutes competition these
>>>
Sampo Savolainen wrote:
> I'm trying to say that they can distribute the plugins with their program and
> still be compatible in what I see as fair use of my open source.
This is wise :) for proprietary host software that isn't just a robbery
of FLOSS software. People will learn, that the plugin
On 5 Aug 2009, at 10:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> victor wrote:
>> I note, interestingly, that even though in Linux circles (at LAC for
>> instance), people keep mentioning MS Windows as a rival OS,
>> for us it's really Apple and OSX that constitutes competition these
>> days from the proprietary si
On 5 Aug 2009, at 11:49, Sampo Savolainen wrote:
> Quoting "Steve Harris" :
>
>> An update.
>>
>> I've been contacted by the company that sells this software, asking
>> for retrospective permission, or something along those lines.
>
> Hi,
>
> I wonder if we have received the same email? The email
Quoting "Steve Harris" :
> An update.
>
> I've been contacted by the company that sells this software, asking
> for retrospective permission, or something along those lines.
Hi,
I wonder if we have received the same email? The email I got did not
mention any specific license or even a type of
Thanks Dominic for clarifying that.
2009/8/4, Dominic Sacré :
> On Monday 03 of August 2009 23:06:34 harryhaa...@gmail.com wrote:
>> And on the topic for a second, python bindings exist for MidiDings, a
>> module that can use both AlsaSeq & Jack Midi.
>> I have a very limited amound of experince
Ok, Hernán.
Thanks so much.
2009/8/5, Hernán Ordiales :
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Carlos
> Sanchiavedraz wrote:
>> Really good info, Hernan. Thanks.
>>
>> Just a question, given the names of both, does it mean that pyPortMidi
>> is not for RT?
>
> no, they are just names, both are realti
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On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 08:49:40PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
> Actually the most free software development happens in a Do-cracy:
> The one who does the job (or the biggest part of it) gets to decide.
that's right. but sometimes people
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 10:07 -0400, David Robillard wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 12:59 +0100, Damon Chaplin wrote:
> > On Sat, 2009-08-01 at 23:16 +0300, Stefan Kost wrote:
> >
> > > This testing is great stuff. It would be cool to have a buildbot
> > > (http://buildbot.net) and run this regular
victor wrote:
> I note, interestingly, that even though in Linux circles (at LAC for
> instance), people keep mentioning MS Windows as a rival OS,
> for us it's really Apple and OSX that constitutes competition these
> days from the proprietary side of things.
>
A lot of professional studios ch
Hallo,
victor hat gesagt: // victor wrote:
> I am very happy to see this. One thing I thought was missing
> from his text was what did he replace MaxMSP with. I was
> wanting to read PD somewhere, but could not find it anywhere.
I think, Kim is just not using Max nor Pd anymore in his current wor
Hallo,
Steve Harris hat gesagt: // Steve Harris wrote:
> Consensus seems to be that they need to distribute code for the
> plugins they include, but whether they are allowed to ship the plugins
> is another question.
>
> The crazy thing is that if they shipped their host in one package, and
Gosh, that's quite a BIG endorsement for Linux Audio.
I note, interestingly, that even though in Linux circles (at LAC for
instance), people keep mentioning MS Windows as a rival OS,
for us it's really Apple and OSX that constitutes competition these
days from the proprietary side of things.
I am
On 5 Aug 2009, at 09:38, Arnold Krille wrote:
> On Wednesday 05 August 2009 09:53:21 Sampo Savolainen wrote:
>> So, at least at the moment I'm leaning towards accepting the offered
>> solution to the violation. Any thoughts?
>
> Ask them to become a sponsor of the next LAC!
Now that is a good pla
An update.
I've been contacted by the company that sells this software, asking
for retrospective permission, or something along those lines.
I'm not going to grant it - I don't really think I can, the "SWH"
plugins represent the work of far too many people for me to feel
comfortable doing t
Hallo,
here's an excellent read about Kim Casone (of .microsound and this list, too)
switching from Mac to Linux:
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2009/08/04/linux-music-workflow-switching-from-mac-os-x-to-ubuntu-with-kim-cascone/
(URL in one line)
Great work, Kim!
Ciao
--
Frank
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 09:53:21 Sampo Savolainen wrote:
> So, at least at the moment I'm leaning towards accepting the offered
> solution to the violation. Any thoughts?
Ask them to become a sponsor of the next LAC!
Have fun,
Arnold
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Hallo,
Sampo Savolainen hat gesagt: // Sampo Savolainen wrote:
> So, at least at the moment I'm leaning towards accepting the offered
> solution to the violation. Any thoughts?
I'd say, accept it. Beat Kangzs seem to be willing to fix their mistake, which
is all that this is about. It's not unc
Quoting "alex stone" :
> Interesting stuff, espcially when you consider that but a week or 2
> ago, another chap from a university, who was unaware of the
> implications of the GPL, got nailed for not releasing his code as per
> a strict definition of the GPL, and took a lot of sustained abuse for
On 8/5/09, David Robillard wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 11:39 +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been using an asus board with intel core quad cpu q6600 for about
>> a year now with no hassles.
>
> Ditto. Same CPU on a Asus P5E-VM HDMI
>
> -dr
>
Ditto,
Q6600 on recent high end a
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