Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-10 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 15:22 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote: PAE is required for NX support, and furthermore enables larger swapspace support for non-overcommit purposes. It has the cost of more pagetable lookup overhead, and also consumes more pagetable space per process. That suggests to

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/10/2009 05:14 PM, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 15:22 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote: PAE is required for NX support, and furthermore enables larger swapspace support for non-overcommit purposes. It has the cost of more pagetable lookup overhead, and also consumes more

[LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread Christian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I'm just curious what your long-time experiences with these gui-libraries are. Considering to use one of these two but can't really decide. But I do not want to switch in a year or two... Thanks for your advices! Christian -BEGIN PGP

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-10 Thread Arnold Krille
On Sunday 09 August 2009 23:47:17 Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:59:29PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: If aeolus is small that is good. Because that leaves more memory to cache the samples (outside of aeolus itself). The 120 MB includes all precomputed wavetables, and they

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/10/2009 05:44 PM, Arnold Krille wrote: On Sunday 09 August 2009 23:47:17 Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 10:59:29PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: If aeolus is small that is good. Because that leaves more memory to cache the samples (outside of aeolus itself).

[LAD] the role of lv2 extensions

2009-08-10 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
David Robillard wrote: Building this logic on top of a set of optional extensions would seem to be a nightmare, and that is and always has been my main objection to this approach. FUD, nothing more. It would be no more of a nightmare than implementing it on top of... well, anything else;

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-10 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 18:01 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote: Oooh snap! :-D - Closed source binaries such as those provided by companies like Adobe, Skype and Real Networks should provide flexibility for changing the audio library path and not be hardcoded to /usr/lib/ - For 32 Bit systems

Re: [LAD] the role of lv2 extensions

2009-08-10 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:26:34AM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: from a design standpoint, i totally agree with all your points, and what little i've so far grokked of lv2 looks very nice indeed. *but*: it's a moving target, and few host authors have committed themselves to implement those

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 08:38 +0200, Christian wrote: I'm just curious what your long-time experiences with these gui-libraries are. Considering to use one of these two but can't really decide. But I do not want to switch in a year or two... Well, I can't say anything about developing with

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread Christian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thorsten Wilms schrieb: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 08:38 +0200, Christian wrote: I'm just curious what your long-time experiences with these gui-libraries are. Considering to use one of these two but can't really decide. But I do not want to switch

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread Christian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Paul Davis schrieb: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:06 AM, Christiankrampenschies...@freenet.de wrote: GTKmm guis are always using your desktop theme which might be bad, too. not true. ardour uses gtkmm and doesn't use the desktop theme. Thats

Re: [LAD] the role of lv2 extensions

2009-08-10 Thread Steve Harris
On 10 Aug 2009, at 10:41, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:26:34AM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: from a design standpoint, i totally agree with all your points, and what little i've so far grokked of lv2 looks very nice indeed. *but*: it's a moving target, and few

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread Christian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm just curious what your long-time experiences with these gui-libraries are. Considering to use one of these two but can't really decide. But I do not want to switch in a year or two... Well, I can't say anything about developing with either

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 11:51 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: All examples of FLTK I know of look horribly out of place on a modern desktop. Like, the 80ies want their GUIs back! Supercollider was some time ago. Current Version of FLTK has more than one engine, including one that clains to be a

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-10 Thread Loki Davison
On 8/10/09, Patrick Shirkey pshir...@boosthardware.com wrote: On 08/10/2009 05:14 PM, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 15:22 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote: PAE is required for NX support, and furthermore enables larger swapspace support for non-overcommit purposes. It has the

Re: [LAD] GPL Violation Alert! - update

2009-08-10 Thread Tom Szilagyi
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Steve Harrisst...@plugin.org.uk wrote: An update. I've been contacted by the company that sells this software, asking for retrospective permission, or something along those lines. I'm not going to grant it - I don't really think I can, the SWH plugins

Re: [LAD] the role of lv2 extensions

2009-08-10 Thread David Robillard
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 11:41 +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:26:34AM +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: crooked analogy alert... as it is now, lv2 resembles XML: you can do anything in principle, but there is almost no common semantics. we should move it to XHTML:

Re: [LAD] rtirq script is broken with 2.6.31

2009-08-10 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
still consider rtirq itself being listed on `rtirq status` a minor bug ;) hopefully fixed in: http://www.rncbc.org/jack/rtirq-20090810.tar.gz enjoy -- rncbc aka Rui Nuno Capela rn...@rncbc.org ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev

Re: [LAD] the role of lv2 extensions

2009-08-10 Thread David Robillard
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 11:48 +0100, Steve Harris wrote: On 10 Aug 2009, at 10:41, Fons Adriaensen wrote: The evolutive process described and advocated by Dave is certainly one that can work - it is the way e.g. natural languages get defined and change over time. It's also why they tend to

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread David Robillard
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 11:06 +0200, Christian wrote: Thorsten Wilms schrieb: All examples of FLTK I know of look horribly out of place on a modern desktop. Like, the 80ies want their GUIs back! Well you can design an fltk gui pretty well. GTKmm guis are always using your desktop theme

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 12:10 -0400, David Robillard wrote: Ick! Using the desktop theme is not bad! The user chose it for a reason! The default GTK+ Theme in the incarnation of Mandriva I have here is absolutely stunning and good looking ... But redraws at a crawl when the machine is close

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread David Robillard
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 18:31 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 12:10 -0400, David Robillard wrote: Ick! Using the desktop theme is not bad! The user chose it for a reason! The default GTK+ Theme in the incarnation of Mandriva I have here is absolutely stunning and

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 13:57 -0400, David Robillard wrote: Now tell me again, what was the reason for choosing this theme rather than that theme? ... in other words, being able to choose your theme is nice? Yes, but why is UNIX always by default configured in the least useful way?

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/11/2009 04:05 AM, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 13:57 -0400, David Robillard wrote: Now tell me again, what was the reason for choosing this theme rather than that theme? ... in other words, being able to choose your theme is nice? Yes, but why is

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 04:14 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote: As a comparison on my 64 bit version of Gnome I find the default theme to be very responsive... As a comparison, the machine I have today is the equivalent of a Cray2 - the most outrageous 200KW 'supercomputer' of the time when (the

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/11/2009 04:42 AM, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 04:14 +1000, Patrick Shirkey wrote: As a comparison on my 64 bit version of Gnome I find the default theme to be very responsive... As a comparison, the machine I have today is the equivalent of a Cray2 - the

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread David Robillard
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 20:05 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 13:57 -0400, David Robillard wrote: Now tell me again, what was the reason for choosing this theme rather than that theme? ... in other words, being able to choose your theme is nice? Yes, but why

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread David Robillard
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 20:42 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote: Spending that much clockcycles on screen redraws of bland widgets just ain't sane anymore. Ohh, and I forgot: I even have a graphics card on top with computational power exceeding that of the Cray2 by a factor of four ... Still feels

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 14:59 -0400, David Robillard wrote: Let me guess Nvidia? Proprietary drivers? This is such BS .. Let me Guess Intel? Opensource and broken GL!!! -dr ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread David Robillard
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 21:14 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 14:59 -0400, David Robillard wrote: Let me guess Nvidia? Proprietary drivers? This is such BS .. Let me Guess Intel? Opensource and broken GL!!! Funny, my desktop is nice and snappy, and well

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 15:22 -0400, David Robillard wrote: This is such BS .. Let me Guess Intel? Opensource and broken GL!!! Funny, my desktop is nice and snappy, and well supported by all recent advancements in X. Reality seems to have a BS bias. Ah, your 2D driver works .. But

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread David Robillard
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 21:26 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 15:22 -0400, David Robillard wrote: This is such BS .. Let me Guess Intel? Opensource and broken GL!!! Funny, my desktop is nice and snappy, and well supported by all recent advancements in X.

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread David Robillard
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 22:04 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 15:41 -0400, David Robillard wrote: Actually, it is what you were complaining about (and blaming UNIX for, unfairly for obvious reasons). You only brought up GL because I mentioned your drivers and you got

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 22:04 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote: OK, I have been around BIOS now, and changed the monitor connection as well (so I can see what I write ... ) I have no GL whatsoever now, but - lo and behold - Clearlooks is actually snappy? I wouldn't have believed that without

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread David Robillard
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 23:09 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 22:04 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote: I wonder if this positive effect is also reflected in the behaviour of scrolling in Firefox at certain (most!) 'wordpress' sites, while simultaniously doing audio processing on

[LAD] LV2::GUI void port_event() and MIDI in?

2009-08-10 Thread Ulrich Lorenz Schlüter
Hi there, I'm trying to read midi events in a lv2 gui, but port_event() doesn't get called when new midi events appear. So, how do I get my midi events in the gui? Regards and thanks in advance Uli ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 17:14 -0400, David Robillard wrote: What do you use to do this? (audio processing on the GPU) Hardware is the most humble later 8400GS (revision g98 [1.4 GHz × 8 madd]) Software is the free 'C for CUDA' compiler and SDK from Nvidia P.S. commercial != proprietary

Re: [LAD] the role of lv2 extensions

2009-08-10 Thread Jeff McClintock
David Robillard - Anyway, ...replication in basic form is pretty straightforward: the host needs a way to pass a 'replication factor' to the plugin. This raises a few obvious questions: - Should changing this at run-time be possible? This is more useful with polyphony than with

Re: [LAD] LV2::GUI void port_event() and MIDI in?

2009-08-10 Thread David Robillard
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 23:42 +0200, Ulrich Lorenz Schlüter wrote: On 08/10/2009 11:29 PM, David Robillard wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 23:15 +0200, Ulrich Lorenz Schlüter wrote: Hi there, I'm trying to read midi events in a lv2 gui, but port_event() doesn't get called when new midi

Re: [LAD] the role of lv2 extensions

2009-08-10 Thread David Robillard
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 09:57 +1200, Jeff McClintock wrote: David Robillard - Anyway, ...replication in basic form is pretty straightforward: the host needs a way to pass a 'replication factor' to the plugin. This raises a few obvious questions: - Should changing this at run-time

Re: [LAD] LV2::GUI void port_event() and MIDI in?

2009-08-10 Thread Ulrich Lorenz Schlüter
On 08/11/2009 12:03 AM, David Robillard wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 23:42 +0200, Ulrich Lorenz Schlüter wrote: On 08/10/2009 11:29 PM, David Robillard wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 23:15 +0200, Ulrich Lorenz Schlüter wrote: Hi there, I'm trying to read midi events in a

Re: [LAD] remembering rt-sched attributes - was: rtirq script is broken with 2.6.31

2009-08-10 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
Robin Gareus wrote: Hello rt-users and -devs, I have a question about per-device-IRQ-threads in 2.6.31-rc5-rt1.1: After a suspend/resume cycle some IRQ-threads come up with a new PID. The scheduling policy of those threads is reset to default values instead of retaining the previously set

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 17:40 -0400, David Robillard wrote: Software is the free 'C for CUDA' compiler and SDK from Nvidia Latency low enough to make realtime use feasible? What I do is - imagining that I am a Jack client with near zero processing time - what I do is that I 'receive

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-10 Thread Nick Copeland
The following is all opinion which I think is what was requested: Here's an updated list of the possible official recommendations for discussion: We should not really be recommending anything and 'official' makes it sound rather orchestrated. We should be selling the benefits of the

Re: [LAD] linux audio standards base?

2009-08-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On 08/11/2009 08:59 AM, Nick Copeland wrote: The following is all opinion which I think is what was requested: Here's an updated list of the possible official recommendations for discussion: We should not really be recommending anything and 'official' makes it sound rather orchestrated.

Re: [LAD] LV2::GUI void port_event() and MIDI in?

2009-08-10 Thread David Robillard
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 00:12 +0200, Ulrich Lorenz Schlüter wrote: On 08/11/2009 12:03 AM, David Robillard wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 23:42 +0200, Ulrich Lorenz Schlüter wrote: On 08/10/2009 11:29 PM, David Robillard wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 23:15 +0200, Ulrich Lorenz

Re: [LAD] FLTK vs GTKmm

2009-08-10 Thread David Robillard
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 00:43 +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 17:40 -0400, David Robillard wrote: Software is the free 'C for CUDA' compiler and SDK from Nvidia Latency low enough to make realtime use feasible? What I do is - imagining that I am a Jack client with