[LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hi, something for the guitarists around. This is the patch, that Miller Puckette explained during the workshop at LAC2008. Ciao -- Frank - Forwarded message from Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu - Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:52:33 -0700 From: Miller Puckette

Re: [LAD] Selectable limit for polyphony of virtual synth

2009-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Jens M Andreasen wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-24 at 21:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Virtual synth often tend to make the mix muddy, when playing pad sounds, because the polyphony isn't limited, every released note is able to end the complete release decay. For the Oberheim some notes are

Re: [LAD] Selectable limit for polyphony of virtual synth

2009-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Paul Davis wrote: On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I don't know actual Peter Gabriel recordings, but I bet he still uses old synth, e.g. the Fairlight, especially for pad sounds. he doesn't. I guess life he still plays old songs

Re: [LAD] Selectable limit for polyphony of virtual synth

2009-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 12:32:58AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Fons Adriaensen wrote: Or some _explicit_ feedback from somewhere downstream the patch telling the voice allocator that a particular voice has decayed far enough to be a candidate for re-use. My

Re: [LAD] Selectable limit for polyphony of virtual synth

2009-08-25 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 04:58:32PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Or some _explicit_ feedback from somewhere downstream the patch telling the voice allocator that a particular voice has decayed far enough to be a candidate for re-use. My exploratory designs for AMS II (gathering dust since four

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Frank Barknecht wrote: Smeck is not for midi, but for audio pickups. You need a separate pickup for each string. The Roland GK is designed for MIDI usage. I don't know the actual hex pickups. If it's not directly to MIDI, does it mean for Smeck a sound card with 6 IOs is needed and the

Re: [LAD] Selectable limit for polyphony of virtual synth

2009-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 04:58:32PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Or some _explicit_ feedback from somewhere downstream the patch telling the voice allocator that a particular voice has decayed far enough to be a candidate for re-use. My exploratory designs for AMS II

Re: [LAD] Selectable limit for polyphony of virtual synth

2009-08-25 Thread Dennis Schulmeister
On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 16:37 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Today Zawinul often plays new synth, with the same sounds, but anyway it sounds disgusting today and he's a good keyboarder, able to compensate it a little bit, by the kind of playing. On a side note: Today Joe Zawinul doesn't play any

Re: [LAD] Selectable limit for polyphony of virtual synth

2009-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Dennis Schulmeister wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 16:37 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Today Zawinul often plays new synth, with the same sounds, but anyway it sounds disgusting today and he's a good keyboarder, able to compensate it a little bit, by the kind of playing. On a side

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Ralf Mardorf hat gesagt: // Ralf Mardorf wrote: Frank Barknecht wrote: Smeck is not for midi, but for audio pickups. You need a separate pickup for each string. The Roland GK is designed for MIDI usage. I don't know the actual hex pickups. If it's not directly to MIDI,

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi Frank :) Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Ralf Mardorf hat gesagt: // Ralf Mardorf wrote: Frank Barknecht wrote: Smeck is not for midi, but for audio pickups. You need a separate pickup for each string. The Roland GK is designed for MIDI usage. I don't know the

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Albert Graef
Frank Barknecht wrote: It does pitch detection inside of Pd to tune the transformations to the pitch played, so you still get a bit of latency (pitch detection is made on blocks of 1024 samples afaik.) Hmm, 20 msecs at 48KHz doesn't sound too bad. The earliest pitch trackers on MIDI guitars

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Paul Davis
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: [ ... in response to news about some very clever work by miller puckette ... ] I'm a guitarist, but if I like to play guitar by using my ability, I prefer to play the guitar as a classical electric guitar. Even

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread victor
Do you mean hexaphonic? Does it use the 'old' GR roland connector? I saw somewhere you could get a converter from that (19-pin?) to the modern (12-pin?) connector, which can either be split or you can buy a rather expensive box to get 6 outs. I'll try to find where that was. I've got a lovely

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread victor
I got my pins all wrong. What you have, apparently is a 24-pin connector, for which you can get schematics here: http://www.joness.com/gr300/24pin.htm From there I guess you can either wire your own splitters or get a 24-13 pin connector (the modern one we all have today), like this one:

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Klaus Kosten
Albert Graef schrieb: Frank Barknecht wrote: It does pitch detection inside of Pd to tune the transformations to the pitch played, so you still get a bit of latency (pitch detection is made on blocks of 1024 samples afaik.) Hmm, 20 msecs at 48KHz doesn't sound too bad. The

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Albert Graef wrote: Hmm, 20 msecs at 48KHz doesn't sound too bad. The earliest pitch trackers on MIDI guitars had some 250 msecs latency IIRC, now those are a real challenge to play. ;-) (Robert Fripp did it, though.) In a music store I played Voodoo Chile on a guitar synth in the middle

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Albert Graef
Hi Victor! victor wrote: Do you mean hexaphonic? Does it use the 'old' GR roland connector? Yes, that's what I meant. :) The ZD3 is supposed to be similar to the Roland GK-1 (http://www.joness.com/gr300/korgz3.htm), but the pin assignments (24 pins) are not exactly the same, so I'm not sure

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, victor hat gesagt: // victor wrote: I got my pins all wrong. What you have, apparently is a 24-pin connector, for which you can get schematics here: http://www.joness.com/gr300/24pin.htm From there I guess you can either wire your own splitters or get a 24-13 pin connector (the

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Paul Davis wrote: so in response to somebody else creating tools that they or others want to use, you're going to lecture us about how to play a classical electrical guitar I guess there's nothing wrong to encourage somebody who guess that he isn't able to play guitar, that he anyway should

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Paul Davis
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I guess there's nothing wrong to encourage somebody who guess that he isn't able to play guitar, that he anyway should play guitar and ignore bullshit like stupid guitar playing, similar to the Roland synth way. This

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread victor
Looks good, but expensive? No price on the site. Victor - Original Message - From: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org To: linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released] Hallo,

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Frank Barknecht wrote: Not finding an inexpensive and compact 6-channel preamp on the market I guess there are some less expensive solutions in the web. Some might be fine, some not. I would test them on a brad board, maybe this side on German is okay:

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, victor hat gesagt: // victor wrote: Looks good, but expensive? No price on the site. They have a store, which shows the stringport as pretty pricey: $499 :( Ciao -- Frank ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Paul Davis wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Ralf Mardorfralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I guess there's nothing wrong to encourage somebody who guess that he isn't able to play guitar, that he anyway should play guitar and ignore bullshit like stupid guitar playing, similar to

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Ralf Mardorf wrote: victor wrote: Looks good, but expensive? No price on the site. Maybe this one does also enable to use the 6 audio signals by USB: http://de.shopping.com/xPO-Terratec-TERRATEC-Axon-AX-50-USB-SET http://www.thomann.de/de/terratec_axon_ax_50_usb_set.htm :( No

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
victor wrote: Looks good, but expensive? No price on the site. Maybe this one does also enable to use the 6 audio signals by USB: http://de.shopping.com/xPO-Terratec-TERRATEC-Axon-AX-50-USB-SET ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list

Re: [LAD] [PD-announce] smeck (6ch guitar processing patch) released]

2009-08-25 Thread Albert Graef
Klaus Kosten wrote: No this isn't true. Even the old GR-700 had about 30 ms, and modern converters get hardly below 20 ms. See http://www.joness.com/gr300/MIDI_SPEED.htm Ok, then I didn't remember correctly. :) Thanks for the link. Also, thanks to everybody else for the tips! Albert -- Dr.