Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Ok Marije, Arnold, Philipp :) programs don't depend to the development files, so I perceive that they should be separated. Today for 64 Studio 3.0-beta3 = Ubuntu Hardy we do have a package jackd including /usr/bin/jackd. A package jackdbus including nothing but copyright, TODO etc.. A package li

Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Philipp
Excerpts from Ralf Mardorf's message of 2010-04-18 11:01:41 +0200: > Ok Marije, Arnold, Philipp :) > > programs don't depend to the development files, so I perceive that they > should be separated. > Today for 64 Studio 3.0-beta3 = Ubuntu Hardy we do have a package jackd > including /usr/bin/jac

Re: [LAD] [Jack-Devel] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread rosea.grammostola
On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 12:10 +0200, Stéphane LETZ wrote: > At Grame, we started working on JACK (jack1 at that time) in 2003 and our > first commitment was to port the C code base on OSX. Even if the result was > working, we rapidly felt that the C code base was not flexible enough to > evolve in

Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Adrian Knoth
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:09:53AM +0200, Philipp wrote: > I don't really know, nor care, about debian specific packaging stuff. > What I know is that it has a record of being broken. Stop that FUD. Ok, a lot was broken until last year, but I fixed everything and worked closely together with upst

Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Philipp wrote: > Excerpts from Ralf Mardorf's message of 2010-04-18 11:01:41 +0200: > >> Ok Marije, Arnold, Philipp :) >> >> programs don't depend to the development files, so I perceive that they >> should be separated. >> Today for 64 Studio 3.0-beta3 = Ubuntu Hardy we do have a package jackd

Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Adrian Knoth wrote: > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:09:53AM +0200, Philipp wrote: > > >> I don't really know, nor care, about debian specific packaging stuff. >> What I know is that it has a record of being broken. >> > > Stop that FUD. Ok, a lot was broken until last year, but I fixed > every

Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Philipp
Excerpts from Adrian Knoth's message of 2010-04-18 11:25:57 +0200: > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:09:53AM +0200, Philipp wrote: > > > I don't really know, nor care, about debian specific packaging stuff. > > What I know is that it has a record of being broken. > > Stop that FUD. Ok, a lot was broke

Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Philipp wrote: > What was the topic again? :D I've sent what I guess the topic should be 3 minutes before you sent your mail. Again. IMO the topic should be the free choice between JACK1 and JACK2. It's unimportant if there is one package or if there are 5 packages for each JACK. JACK3, DBUS

Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Adrian Knoth
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:44:54AM +0200, Philipp wrote: > What was the topic again? We're working on it. "it" as in "different jack implementations in Debian". Historically, we only had jackd1, but I guess we'll at least see jackd1 and jackd2, perhaps also tschack, and the user will be able to

Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Adrian Knoth wrote: > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:44:54AM +0200, Philipp wrote: > > >> What was the topic again? >> > > We're working on it. > > "it" as in "different jack implementations in Debian". Historically, we > only had jackd1, but I guess we'll at least see jackd1 and jackd2, > perh

Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
hermann wrote: [snip ... because it's off-list, but I guess the thread shouldn't be closed, pardon] There are several reasons why people like to switch between versions of JACK and it isn't that easy to do. Not every musician has knowledge about technique. Comparison to other OS are irrelevant.

Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread hermann
Ups, it go's offline wrong button. :-) I don't understand all this trouble, we have the choice, no mater witch distro we use and no mater witch version the distro use as default, we could switch to the jack version we wont. That's what brings us in this situation. Sometimes it need more or less w

Re: [LAD] [Jack-Devel] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Paul Davis
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 5:16 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > It's pretty odd that you guys didn't discuss this clearly with each > other. It seems that people have an opinion about something, but only > share this with people who have the same opinion and not with the one > who himself or his code

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2010-04-18 Thread Jens M Andreasen
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Re: [LAD] alsa-project.org ... has expired

2010-04-18 Thread Arnout Engelen
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 03:34:48PM +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote: > This domain has expired > It will be deleted in the next few days. If you are the owner of this > domain, you still have a chance to renew it. oops :) The unofficial page, http://alsa.opensrc.org , is still up. The whois infor

Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Arnold Krille
On Sunday 18 April 2010 00:14:31 Philipp wrote: > Excerpts from Arnold Krille's message of 2010-04-17 23:15:11 +0200: > >... > > That way your favourite > > music player can have an output plugin that looks for jack and if that is > > not running, looks for pulse and finally choose direct alsa for

Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Ray Rashif
On 19 April 2010 01:42, Arnold Krille wrote: > Hm, which distribution apart from gentoo do you know that has jacks libs and > server/apps in one package? http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/jack/files/ We do not believe in the extra work of splitting package files for no added benefit.

Re: [LAD] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Philipp
Excerpts from Arnold Krille's message of 2010-04-18 19:42:00 +0200: > On Sunday 18 April 2010 00:14:31 Philipp wrote: > > Excerpts from Arnold Krille's message of 2010-04-17 23:15:11 +0200: > > >... > > > That way your favourite > > > music player can have an output plugin that looks for jack and i

[LAD] OT: distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Ray Rashif wrote: > On 19 April 2010 01:42, Arnold Krille wrote: > >> Hm, which distribution apart from gentoo do you know that has jacks libs and >> server/apps in one package? >> > > http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/jack/files/ > > We do not believe in the extra work of split

Re: [LAD] [Jack-Devel] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread rosea.grammostola
On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 08:31 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 5:16 AM, rosea.grammostola > wrote: > > It's pretty odd that you guys didn't discuss this clearly with each > > other. It seems that people have an opinion about something, but only > > share this with people who have t

Re: [LAD] OT: distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Ray Rashif
On 19 April 2010 02:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > An seemingly outdated information said "pacman -S jack" will make JACK2 > available too. A quick web search doesn't say if there are JACK1 and 2 > available for Arch. Is this the distro that already makes the choice > available? jack is and will for t

Re: [LAD] OT: distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Ray Rashif wrote: > On 19 April 2010 02:57, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> An seemingly outdated information said "pacman -S jack" will make JACK2 >> available too. A quick web search doesn't say if there are JACK1 and 2 >> available for Arch. Is this the distro that already makes the choice >> avail

Re: [LAD] [Jack-Devel] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread torbenh
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:21:06PM +0200, rosea.grammostola wrote: > On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 08:31 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 5:16 AM, rosea.grammostola > > wrote: > > > It's pretty odd that you guys didn't discuss this clearly with each > > > other. It seems that people ha

Re: [LAD] [Jack-Devel] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Paul Davis
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 4:21 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote: > This could all be true, but that's not the point I was talking about. > JACK2 was planned as successor of JACK1. But at some point that changed, No, Jack2 (then jackdmp) was not planned as a successor of Jack1. It was initially planned a

Re: [LAD] [Jack-Devel] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Stéphane Letz
>> >> This could all be true, but that's not the point I was talking about. >> JACK2 was planned as successor of JACK1. But at some point that changed, >> that's all ok, not the point here. But isn't it odd that this isn't >> clearly communicated with the JACK2 maintainer, why this is happened? >>

Re: [LAD] [Jack-Devel] distros migrating to JACK2?

2010-04-18 Thread Stéphane Letz
Le 19 avr. 2010 à 00:34, Paul Davis a écrit : > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 4:21 PM, rosea.grammostola > wrote: >> This could all be true, but that's not the point I was talking about. >> JACK2 was planned as successor of JACK1. But at some point that changed, > > No, Jack2 (then jackdmp) was not p