Re: [LAD] Looking for an introduction to rt programming with a gui

2010-05-25 Thread Olivier Guilyardi
On 05/25/2010 07:24 AM, torbenh wrote: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:37:32PM +0200, Olivier Guilyardi wrote: [...] That makes me think that the development environment can really completely change the way you perceive a language or framework. There must be something to do for C lovers too, be

Re: [LAD] Jack slower than realtime/debug mode

2010-05-25 Thread Paul Coccoli
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Jeremy jeremyb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm working on an lv2 plugin, and I'm having some difficulties debugging it. What I would do is start up lv2_jack_host hosting my plugin, and then connect it to an input.  However, my plugin isn't returning in time (like,

[LAD] Music, Undecidability, and the tiling problem (was Re: update: OT-ish: realtime 2d placement algorithms :-/)

2010-05-25 Thread Niels Mayer
Related to my last reply to your question about the tiling problem vs undecidability... Ever since they started putting out relevant articles for computer scientists (in the last year), the American Math Society monthly Notices has gone from dull to fascinating; in the spirit of open-source, all

Re: [LAD] Music, Undecidability, and the tiling problem (was Re: update: OT-ish: realtime 2d placement algorithms :-/)

2010-05-25 Thread Paul Davis
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Niels Mayer nielsma...@gmail.com wrote: PS: I think the tiling problem is actually a direct analogy to music making... which involves fitting together tiles (musical passages, patterns, etc) that are highly constrained in terms of geometry (pitch, key,

Re: [LAD] Announcing: ecaedl.pl Edit Decision List Capable Audio Playing

2010-05-25 Thread Robin Gareus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 drew Roberts wrote: I have been looking for an EDL capable audio player for a while now but have not found one. I don't think there's an open-source audio player that does. Mplayer has support for EDL but is using it's own homebrew EDL format;

Re: [LAD] Announcing: ecaedl.pl Edit Decision List Capable Audio Playing

2010-05-25 Thread Niels Mayer
What is the particular advantage of EDL, versus something more standard: http://www.w3.org/TR/SMIL/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language ?? Mplayer (and thus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-Multimedia_Player , smplayer, and gnome-mplayer) supports SMIL although

Re: [LAD] Music, Undecidability, and the tiling problem (was Re: update: OT-ish: realtime 2d placement algorithms :-/)

2010-05-25 Thread Arnout Engelen
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:59:45AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Niels Mayer nielsma...@gmail.com wrote: music making involves fitting together tiles (musical passages, patterns, etc) that are highly constrained in terms of geometry (pitch, key, time-signature,

Re: [LAD] Looking for an introduction to rt programming with a gui

2010-05-25 Thread Arnout Engelen
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 07:24:20AM +0200, torbenh wrote: This IDE with all this syntax checking and refactoring tools (and I might call them bells and whistles sometimes..) produces a real added value. That makes me think that the development environment can really completely change

Re: [LAD] Music, Undecidability, and the tiling problem (was Re: update: OT-ish: realtime 2d placement algorithms :-/)

2010-05-25 Thread Niels Mayer
Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com: this might be how users of ableton live think about making music, and more generally, users of computer software aimed at pattern-based music composition/creation. but i would submit that if you offered this description of making music to musicians

Re: [LAD] Music, Undecidability, and the tiling problem (was Re: update: OT-ish: realtime 2d placement algorithms :-/)

2010-05-25 Thread Folderol
On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:31:57 -0700 Niels Mayer nielsma...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com: this might be how users of ableton live think about making music, and more generally, users of computer software aimed at pattern-based music composition/creation. but i

Re: [LAD] Announcing: ecaedl.pl Edit Decision List Capable Audio Playing

2010-05-25 Thread Robin Gareus
On May 25, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Niels Mayer wrote: What is the particular advantage of EDL, versus something more standard: http://www.w3.org/TR/SMIL/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language ?? more standard is relative and depends on the point of view. EDL

Re: [LAD] Music, Undecidability, and the tiling problem (was Re: update: OT-ish: realtime 2d placement algorithms :-/)

2010-05-25 Thread Chris Cannam
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Folderol folde...@ukfsn.org wrote: On Tue, 25 May 2010 12:31:57 -0700 Niels Mayer nielsma...@gmail.com wrote: Mathematics is fundamental to music -- everything from the relationship of notes to frequency, to what people consider musical, or rhythmic... has to

Re: [LAD] Music, Undecidability, and the tiling problem (was Re: update: OT-ish: realtime 2d placement algorithms :-/)

2010-05-25 Thread fons
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 03:46:23PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Niels Mayer nielsma...@gmail.com wrote: Ultimately, it doesn't matter what musicians recognize... what matters is what music *is* i believe it was lord kelvin who once said don't mistake

Re: [LAD] Music, Undecidability, and the tiling problem (was Re: update: OT-ish: realtime 2d placement algorithms :-/)

2010-05-25 Thread Niels Mayer
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Chris Cannam can...@all-day-breakfast.com wrote: I think the point Neils has is just that the outcome of your noodling is somewhat independent of your explicit intention.  Notes that sound satisfying together are probably going to sound satisfying largely