[LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Louigi Verona
Hello! Both Ardour and Qtractor are capable sequencers. Ardour is getting midi soon, Qtractor is getting automation. All of this is good news. I was wondering if the devs are interested in implementing routing signals in a mixer as the next important priority. This would allow not only effects

Re: [LAD] [ANN] Drumstick 0.4.0 released

2010-07-07 Thread Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas
On Wednesday, July 7, 2010, Niels Mayer wrote: Thanks for making these updates available! You are welcome. Will http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmid2/ and http://sourceforge.net/projects/kmetronome/ be updated to include the latest drumstick? The latest drumstick library sources and

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 11:49 +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: Hello! Both Ardour and Qtractor are capable sequencers. Ardour is getting midi soon, Qtractor is getting automation. All of this is good news. I was wondering if the devs are interested in implementing routing signals in a mixer as

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Natanael Olaiz
El 07/07/2010 09:49 AM, Louigi Verona escribió: Hello! Both Ardour and Qtractor are capable sequencers. Ardour is getting midi soon, Qtractor is getting automation. All of this is good news. I was wondering if the devs are interested in implementing routing signals in a mixer as the next

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Louigi Verona
Why not? I don't know in Qtractor, but in Ardour you can do that... For the audio signals, even routing to their inputs mono outputs of other tracks (and/or system inputs), or by sends. And for the controls you have automations. I don't understand the problem... Best regards, Natanael.

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 10:05 +0200, Natanael Olaiz wrote: El 07/07/2010 09:49 AM, Louigi Verona escribió: Hello! Both Ardour and Qtractor are capable sequencers. Ardour is getting midi soon, Qtractor is getting automation. All of this is good news. I was wondering if the devs are

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 12:07 +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: Why not? I don't know in Qtractor, but in Ardour you can do that... For the audio signals, even routing to their inputs mono outputs of other tracks (and/or system inputs), or by sends. And for

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Louigi Verona
Guys, I will try to show it somehow on YouTube, but you can basically watch any video of FL Studio and usage of Fruity Vocoder. It is basically the same for every sequencer out there - a vocoder accepts a modifier in one channel and a carrier in the other. You route other channels into the channel

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Niels Mayer
See http://lalists.stanford.edu/lad/2010/05/0369.html where Rui answered: ... tractor, as a plugin host, is currently accepting only the following signal flows: a) audio_fx plugins: audio_in - plugin - audio_out b) instrument plugins: midi_in - plugin - audio_out any other topology

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Thank you Niels :). Unfortunately I couldn't search my old e-mails, hence the new HDD is in a package 'sitting' on my Yamaha SPX 90II (but mounted to my PC), while the backup of the broken HDD is on an USB stick, so extracting would take too much time for me at the moment ;). But I was sure on

Re: [LAD] [LAA] gst123-0.1.2

2010-07-07 Thread Stefan Westerfeld
Hi! On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 06:08:23PM -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Niels Mayer nielsma...@gmail.com wrote:  Question: is there a way to disable checking for pulseaudio for each new file when specifying multiple media files. e.g.: gst123 *.ogg ? For example:

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Natanael Olaiz
El 07/07/2010 10:07 AM, Louigi Verona escribió: Why not? I don't know in Qtractor, but in Ardour you can do that... For the audio signals, even routing to their inputs mono outputs of other tracks (and/or system inputs), or by sends. And for the controls you have

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Louigi Verona
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Natanael Olaiz nol...@gmail.com wrote: Ardour does not see three inputs of, say, a LADSPA Vocoder. It sees only two. LADSPA Vocoder has three and you need three to create an effect. Ah, ok, now I guess I understood: one of the inputs is MIDI... But you can

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 13:12 +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Natanael Olaiz nol...@gmail.com wrote: Ardour does not see three inputs of, say, a LADSPA Vocoder. It sees only two. LADSPA Vocoder has three and you need

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I GUESS in other words, mono in and stereo out ;)?! Resp. the modifying signal is mono, but the manipulated signal is stereo in and stereo out?! ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Louigi Verona
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: I GUESS in other words, mono in and stereo out ;)?! I don't remember now, you can use JACK Rack to check this (and if you have LADSPA Vocoder installed) but I think there is 1 stereo input and 1 mono input. --

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Louigi Verona
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.netwrote: I GUESS in other words, mono in and stereo out ;)?! Resp. the modifying signal is mono, but the manipulated signal is stereo in and stereo out?! Exactly! -- Louigi Verona http://www.louigiverona.ru/

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Natanael Olaiz
El 07/07/2010 11:12 AM, Louigi Verona escribió: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Natanael Olaiz nol...@gmail.com mailto:nol...@gmail.com wrote: Ardour does not see three inputs of, say, a LADSPA Vocoder. It sees only two. LADSPA Vocoder has three and you need three to create

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 13:19 +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I GUESS in other words, mono in and stereo out ;)?! Resp. the modifying signal is mono, but the manipulated

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Louigi Verona
So, is strange that Ardour only see 2 inputs... Can you send a link to the plugin that you are testing? I think at some point Paul said this is indeed the way things are. But you can see for yourself. http://www.sirlab.de/linux/download_vocoder.html -- Louigi Verona

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Jeremy Jongepier
On 07/07/2010 09:49 AM, Louigi Verona wrote: Hello! Both Ardour and Qtractor are capable sequencers. Ardour is getting midi soon, Qtractor is getting automation. All of this is good news. I was wondering if the devs are interested in implementing routing signals in a mixer as the next

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Jeremy Jongepier
On 07/07/2010 11:32 AM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: On 07/07/2010 09:49 AM, Louigi Verona wrote: Hello! Both Ardour and Qtractor are capable sequencers. Ardour is getting midi soon, Qtractor is getting automation. All of this is good news. I was wondering if the devs are interested in

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Jeremy Jongepier
On 07/07/2010 11:38 AM, Natanael Olaiz wrote: El 07/07/2010 11:25 AM, Louigi Verona escribió: So, is strange that Ardour only see 2 inputs... Can you send a link to the plugin that you are testing? I think at some point Paul said this is indeed the way things are. But you can see

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread fons
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 01:18:40PM +0200, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote: I'm a very happy user of the decent FIL-equalizer and so far, it serves all my needs for mixing down mono channels in mixing situations. The problem is that a Stereo EQ is also needed from time to time, for example with

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Jeremy Jongepier
Louigi Verona wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Jeremy Jongepier jer...@autostatic.comwrote: On 07/07/2010 11:38 AM, Natanael Olaiz wrote: El 07/07/2010 11:25 AM, Louigi Verona escribió: So, is strange that Ardour only see 2 inputs... Can you send a link to the plugin that you

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:59 AM, Louigi Verona louigi.ver...@gmail.com wrote: Yep, I can even show everyone a screenshot - in fact, I was wrong to say that there is one stereo in and one mono in - there are actually two stereo ins. You're very confused :) The vocoder plugin is a *MONO*

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Jeremy Jongepier
Jeremy Jongepier wrote: On 07/07/2010 11:32 AM, Jeremy Jongepier wrote: On 07/07/2010 09:49 AM, Louigi Verona wrote: Hello! Both Ardour and Qtractor are capable sequencers. Ardour is getting midi soon, Qtractor is getting automation. All of this is good news. I was wondering if the devs

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 14:55:02 +0200, Jeremy Jongepier Ok, got it working in Qtractor: - In Qtractor I've created four tracks with corresponding buses: Formant Synth (1 channel), Carrier Voice (1 channel), Vocoder (2 channels) and Vocoder Mix (2 channels) - All tracks output their signal to

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread Jostein Chr. Andersen
onsdag 07 juli 2010 13.50.58 skrev f...@kokkinizita.net: On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 01:18:40PM +0200, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote: ... So my humble (I hope) request is: Is it possible to make a stereo version of FIL-equalizer and can someone implement it? That would make the mixing situation

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread Jostein Chr. Andersen
onsdag 07 juli 2010 13.50.58 skrev f...@kokkinizita.net: On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 01:18:40PM +0200, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote: ... So my humble (I hope) request is: Is it possible to make a stereo version of FIL-equalizer and can someone implement it? That would make the mixing situation

[LAD] calf: where did the nice hi and lowpass plugins go?

2010-07-07 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
hi calf folks, hi everyone! unless i'm getting confused, the calf plugin set used to contain a set of hi- and lowpass filters that seem to have vanished with my last git pull. which is a major pity, since a) the current git solves a number of crashes and b) i've been using those hi- and lowpass

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread Philipp Überbacher
Excerpts from fons's message of 2010-07-07 13:50:58 +0200: On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 01:18:40PM +0200, Jostein Chr. Andersen wrote: I'm a very happy user of the decent FIL-equalizer and so far, it serves all my needs for mixing down mono channels in mixing situations. The problem is

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread Jostein Chr. Andersen
Sorry folks, this posting was ment to be sendet offlist to Fons. :-( I do only have place for mixing in my mind just now, sorry. Jostein onsdag 07 juli 2010 15.36.03 skrev Jostein Chr. Andersen: onsdag 07 juli 2010 13.50.58 skrev f...@kokkinizita.net: On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 01:18:40PM

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Jeremy Jongepier
Rui Nuno Capela wrote: On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 14:55:02 +0200, Jeremy Jongepier Ok, got it working in Qtractor: - In Qtractor I've created four tracks with corresponding buses: Formant Synth (1 channel), Carrier Voice (1 channel), Vocoder (2 channels) and Vocoder Mix (2 channels) - All tracks

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread fons
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 03:47:20PM +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote: Previously I was unsure whether it will be a set of lv2 extension or another plugin API, I guessed the former but apparently was wrong. Does it really need another plugin API in addition to the 5 free and native (read:

Re: [LAD] calf: where did the nice hi and lowpass plugins go?

2010-07-07 Thread Adrian Knoth
On 07/07/10 15:38, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: Hi! unless i'm getting confused, the calf plugin set used to contain a set of hi- and lowpass filters that seem to have vanished with my last git pull. which is a major pity, since a) the current git solves a number of crashes and b) i've been using

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread Philipp Überbacher
Excerpts from fons's message of 2010-07-07 16:46:26 +0200: On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 03:47:20PM +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote: Previously I was unsure whether it will be a set of lv2 extension or another plugin API, I guessed the former but apparently was wrong. Does it really need

Re: [LAD] [LAA] gst123-0.1.2

2010-07-07 Thread Stefan Westerfeld
Hi! On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 02:43:11PM -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Stefan Westerfeld ste...@space.twc.de wrote: gst123-0.1.2 has been released. Website:  http://space.twc.de/~stefan/gst123.php Download:

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Niels Mayer
Is there a similar solution with Qtractor possible for audio plugins that output midi (e.g. audio-midi pitch detection as provided by 'autotalent'), or midi-controlled audio-processing plugins (again, such as autotalent). You mentioned this configuration wasn't possible before (

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 10:21 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: Is there a similar solution with Qtractor possible for audio plugins that output midi (e.g. audio-midi pitch detection as provided by 'autotalent'), or midi-controlled audio-processing plugins (again, such as autotalent). You mentioned this

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 19:40 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 10:21 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: Is there a similar solution with Qtractor possible for audio plugins that output midi (e.g. audio-midi pitch detection as provided by 'autotalent'), or midi-controlled

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread fons
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 05:12:56PM +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote: I'm just afraid that it might end up as a pretty much app specific thing, similar to MESS and RHSP. That would be perfectly OK for me. I'm not after popularity, and I'm writing these things in the first place for myself.

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Niels Mayer nielsma...@gmail.com wrote: What if you want to use MIDI control as your side chain ( just for the record, ardour3 in SVN can now do this. i'm not suggesting that anyone actually try it out yet, though, and anyway, i know of no plugins that can do

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 19:51 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 05:12:56PM +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote: It doesn't help plugin developers either if they have to chose between 5-7 plugin APIs, knowing that, whatever they chose, only a, often tiny, subset of

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
On 07/07/2010 06:21 PM, Niels Mayer wrote: Is there a similar solution with Qtractor possible for audio plugins that output midi (e.g. audio-midi pitch detection as provided by 'autotalent'), or midi-controlled audio-processing plugins (again, such as autotalent). You mentioned this

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 14:23 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Niels Mayer nielsma...@gmail.com wrote: What if you want to use MIDI control as your side chain ( just for the record, ardour3 in SVN can now do this. i'm not suggesting that anyone actually try it out

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 20:39 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 14:23 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Niels Mayer nielsma...@gmail.com wrote: What if you want to use MIDI control as your side chain ( just for the record, ardour3 in SVN can now do

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 10:21 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: A good example of this would be using a fast on/off repeating note in midi to gate an existing signal -- to give that old school rave sound to synths Btw. while mixing consoles do have 'on/off' switches, the Yamaha MT44D had a 'touch'

Re: [LAD] [LAA] gst123-0.1.2

2010-07-07 Thread Niels Mayer
Thanks for your help and response... FYI, here's a few bug reports/feature-missing things: (1) I finally figured out those flashing squares that appear every time gst123 changes songs. It's album-art images, displayed in an X window! These need to stay up longer, as only by forcing the audio

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread fons
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 08:23:50PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I guess a developer just needs to take a look at what is supported by (in lexically order) Ardour, Qtractor and Rosegarden as host. Depends on the developer's own interests and target audience. For production tools I keep an eye on

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread Philipp Überbacher
Excerpts from fons's message of 2010-07-07 19:51:29 +0200: On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 05:12:56PM +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote: I'm just afraid that it might end up as a pretty much app specific thing, similar to MESS and RHSP. That would be perfectly OK for me. I'm not after popularity,

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 22:53 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 08:23:50PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I guess a developer just needs to take a look at what is supported by (in lexically order) Ardour, Qtractor and Rosegarden as host. Depends on the developer's own

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread fons
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 10:56:24PM +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote: But I'm sure that you see the benefit of a single plugin standard as VST pretty much is on windows. Anyway, there's no easy way to solve the multiple-standards thing in Linux land apparently. A single standard would be a good

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread James Morris
On 7 July 2010 22:08, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Anyway, we do have different needs and I would welcome if you coders take care of Ardour, Rosegarden and Qtractor. IMO anything else is less important. Note, it's not unimportant! 0,02 € It'll take more than 0,02 € for