Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs

2011-11-20 Thread hollunder
On Sat, 2011-11-19 at 11:53 -0800, Iain Duncan wrote: On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Stefano D'Angelo zanga.m...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/11/19 David Robillard d...@drobilla.net: [...] Writing one UI that works on all reasonable devices for free with zero

Re: [LAD] jack transport change accuracy for looping

2011-11-20 Thread Paul Davis
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Iain Duncan iainduncanli...@gmail.com wrote: Also, is that proposal a dead duck now? No, its not a dead duck. But there is little to no manpower around to do an initial implementation so that it can be evaluated beyond paper. Seems to me like if it worked, it

Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs

2011-11-20 Thread Paul Davis
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 6:04 AM, hollun...@lavabit.com wrote: I realize this question might be provokative, but I've never seen this comparison before and am genuinely interested in your opinion. Both java and browser/JS are cross platform. Both are available on almost every device out

Re: [LAD] jack transport change accuracy for looping

2011-11-20 Thread Paul Coccoli
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Iain Duncan iainduncanli...@gmail.com wrote: Just wondering if I understand this correctly. I making a loop based app for step sequencing. When I previously did this in Csound, I clocked it off a phasor, so the timing was sample accurate ( but that brought all

Re: [LAD] jack transport change accuracy for looping

2011-11-20 Thread Paul Davis
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Iain Duncan iainduncanli...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, I know you did some stuff with this with your old step sequencer. Do SoftWerk? It didn't use JACK at all because when I wrote it (pre-Ardour, pre-JACK) there was no JACK MIDI and no point in using it. One day

Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs

2011-11-20 Thread Neil C Smith
Well, as a Java dev I felt the need to interject! :-) iPhone is still a problem, but desktop is easy - just ship with an embedded JVM in the same way you embed webkit. The capabilities and performance of the Java VM are still well ahead of JavaScript, which is not the same as saying it's the way

Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs

2011-11-20 Thread Paul Davis
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Neil C Smith n...@neilcsmith.net wrote: Well, as a Java dev I felt the need to interject! :-) iPhone is still a problem, but desktop is easy - just ship with an embedded JVM in the same way you embed webkit. and therein lies the difference to: visit

Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs

2011-11-20 Thread Stefano D'Angelo
2011/11/20 Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Neil C Smith n...@neilcsmith.net wrote: Well, as a Java dev I felt the need to interject! :-) iPhone is still a problem, but desktop is easy - just ship with an embedded JVM in the same way you embed webkit.

Re: [LAD] jack transport change accuracy for looping

2011-11-20 Thread Iain Duncan
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 5:10 AM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.comwrote: On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Iain Duncan iainduncanli...@gmail.com wrote: Also, is that proposal a dead duck now? No, its not a dead duck. But there is little to no manpower around to do an initial

Re: [LAD] jack transport change accuracy for looping

2011-11-20 Thread Iain Duncan
Can you use the same approach you did in csound, using jack_transport's BBT info to run your phasor? It would require that some app set a tempo and time signature, of course. I use klick, or gtklick (which has a tap tempo feature), to do this. That's precisely what I'm trying to figure out

Re: [LAD] jack transport change accuracy for looping

2011-11-20 Thread Iain Duncan
i think you may be confused about what JACK transport offers. its a global transport. that means that when you locate (which includes to looping) to a new position, *all* clients must be ready to continue processing audio before it can roll again after the locate. For some kinds of clients,

Re: [LAD] jack transport change accuracy for looping

2011-11-20 Thread Paul Davis
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Iain Duncan iainduncanli...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, that clarifies things a lot for me. I didn't think about the disk seeking issue. (For my app, my intent is to have everything in RAM for live playing ). Was the intent of the jack looping transport proposal

Re: [LAD] jack transport change accuracy for looping

2011-11-20 Thread Iain Duncan
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.comwrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Iain Duncan iainduncanli...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, that clarifies things a lot for me. I didn't think about the disk seeking issue. (For my app, my intent is to have everything

Re: [LAD] jack transport change accuracy for looping

2011-11-20 Thread Paul Davis
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Iain Duncan iainduncanli...@gmail.com wrote: Off the official ardourd-jack roadmap record, do you think there's a realistic chance of this still happening in the next few years? At least for Ardour? I might code such that I can use ardour with it when

Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs

2011-11-20 Thread Neil C Smith
On 20 November 2011 13:58, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Neil C Smith n...@neilcsmith.net wrote: Well, as a Java dev I felt the need to interject! :-) iPhone is still a problem, but desktop is easy - just ship with an embedded JVM in the same

Re: [LAD] jack transport change accuracy for looping

2011-11-20 Thread Louigi Verona
Hey Paul! You said: Many people look at Live and do not realize the sophistication of what they are doing. Can you briefly speak about what kind of things they are doing, just so that I would know how difficult it is and how realistically can we (not) expect this to ever appear on Linux - and

Re: [LAD] jack transport change accuracy for looping

2011-11-20 Thread Paul Davis
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Louigi Verona louigi.ver...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Paul! You said: Many people look at Live and do not realize the sophistication of what they are doing. Can you briefly speak about what kind of things they are doing, just so that I would know how difficult

Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs

2011-11-20 Thread David Robillard
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 06:04 -0500, hollun...@lavabit.com wrote: [...] I realize this question might be provokative, but I've never seen this comparison before and am genuinely interested in your opinion. Both java and browser/JS are cross platform. Both are available on almost every device out

Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs

2011-11-20 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 06:04 -0500, hollun...@lavabit.com wrote: [...] I realize this question might be provokative, but I've never seen this comparison before and am genuinely interested in your opinion. Both java and browser/JS are cross platform. Both are available on almost every device

Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs

2011-11-20 Thread Giuseppe Zompatori
Wrong. Android has the highest smart phones market share (Samsung alone became th largest smart phones producer in the world). It's recent news. -Giuseppe Il giorno 21/nov/2011 02:15, David Robillard d...@drobilla.net ha scritto: On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 06:04 -0500, hollun...@lavabit.com wrote:

Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs

2011-11-20 Thread David Olofson
On Monday 21 November 2011, at 02.44.00, Giuseppe Zompatori silicon...@gmail.com wrote: Wrong. Android has the highest smart phones market share (Samsung alone became th largest smart phones producer in the world). It's recent news. ...but, that's not really Java, is it? Different VM (Dalvik)

Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs

2011-11-20 Thread David Robillard
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 02:44 +0100, Giuseppe Zompatori wrote: Wrong. Android has the highest smart phones market share (Samsung alone became th largest smart phones producer in the world). It's recent news. I said most popular smart phone, not most popular smart phone OS. Either way, apps