Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread drew Roberts
On Wednesday 10 October 2012 19:00:42 Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > the only time it hurts is when i cannot get hardware support for gear > that i need. but these days, i can get linux drivers for everything from > 2 to 128 channels of i/o (more if i'm prepared to gang cards), so what's > the problem

Re: [LAD] Is Linux audio moving forward - some very personal notes

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:33 PM, J. Liles wrote: > > Agreed, but with autostart and jackdbus, I don't think many users are > having trouble with this aspect anymore. > actually, on IRC, jackdbus's d-bus elements seem to be responsible for about 75% of all the user issues with JACK at this point

Re: [LAD] Is Linux audio moving forward - some very personal notes

2012-10-10 Thread J. Liles
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > I agree with J. Liles that we should have the courage to review > Jack. It has done a very good job, but (at least in my world) it > is showing its limits, and I'm not at al convinced that these can > be removed by 'incremental' improvement

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On Thu, October 11, 2012 10:00 am, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 10/10/2012 11:00 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> >> On Thu, October 11, 2012 7:25 am, Louigi Verona wrote: >>> @Patrick: >>> >>> "The problem with that approach is that it tends to feed the negative >>> attitude towards Linux and that

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Geoff Beasley
On 10/11/2012 07:25 AM, Louigi Verona wrote: There is no competition, Patrick. Windows Audio does not compete with Linux Audio. Only if in our minds. And thus they do not want anything. There is no Windows Audio community, there is a Linux Audio community. We try to compete with them. They do no

[LAD] Is Linux audio moving forward - some very personal notes

2012-10-10 Thread Fons Adriaensen
It (see subject) is a good question. In general my answer would be 'yes', but maybe not at the speed one could hope for. The following is just from my perspective, which is 'minority', 'very specialised', or just 'irrelevant', take your choice. That perspective is: * Classical (including contemp

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Nils Gey
There are good things as well. For music notation Linux is at least equal to any other system except the handwriting of a 19th century professional. For the advanced stuff and music that is really meant to be published as print product there is of course Lilypond which still beats all other pro

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
On 10/10/2012 11:00 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: On Thu, October 11, 2012 7:25 am, Louigi Verona wrote: @Patrick: "The problem with that approach is that it tends to feed the negative attitude towards Linux and that is exactly what the "competition" want." There is no competition, Patrick. Wind

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:48 AM, Harry van Haaren wrote: > The other things I feel is necessary is to bundle the community together: We > need to agree on one place to post information: a central hub for > linux-audio. Amen to that :) P.S. Oh, and I do owe you a private reply on a relevant topic

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Harry van Haaren
Replying to nobody in particular but perhaps bringing some new things to the table: I feel there's a lot going on "just-under-the-surface" of what most of us know about. I presume not everybody here is aware of the advances FAUST has recently made in DomainSpecificLanguage technology. Similary I'm

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Louigi Verona
"I'm not talking about Linux Multimedia for amateur users or even necessarily for artists/producers. I'm talking about businesses that use Linux as their revenue generating platform." Fair enough. I have no idea about businesses. "Don't you mean that because "insert favorite application/plugin" i

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On Thu, October 11, 2012 7:25 am, Louigi Verona wrote: > @Patrick: > > "The problem with that approach is that it tends to feed the negative > attitude towards Linux and that is exactly what the "competition" want." > > There is no competition, Patrick. Windows Audio does not compete with > Linux

Re: [LAD] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Louigi Verona wrote: > Hey fellas! > > Would like to present an article I've written. Mostly wrote it to start a > conversation and hear what others have to say on the subject. > > http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_progress > > Yo

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Louigi Verona
@Patrick: "The problem with that approach is that it tends to feed the negative attitude towards Linux and that is exactly what the "competition" want." There is no competition, Patrick. Windows Audio does not compete with Linux Audio. Only if in our minds. And thus they do not want anything. Th

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On Thu, October 11, 2012 6:52 am, Louigi Verona wrote: > @Folderol: > > "While it is nice to have lots of different apps, plugins, whatever, I > think you > find most musicians quickly settle on a very small range which they get to > know > extremely well." > > This is true. However, before you se

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On Thu, October 11, 2012 5:41 am, Dan MacDonald wrote: > Patrick wrote: > >> >> Looking at the recent trade shows it seems that Linux/Unix is the >> already >> the hardware standard. I didn't spot hardware running on Apple or M$ >> OS's >> but plenty of Linux and Unix platforms. >> >> > Which trad

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:04 PM, J. Liles wrote: > [ ... ] but that's understandable considering that most Linux Audio > programs are maintained by single developers (with lots of other projects) > or small groups. > [ ... ] > My personal frustration with Linux Audio is mainly focused on t

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 10 October 2012 14:21:11 Patrick Shirkey did opine: > On Wed, October 10, 2012 11:33 pm, Ben Loftis wrote: > > I'd pose a different question: > > > > Is OSX/Win Audio moving _backward_? > > > > If OSX continues to move towards iOS, and Win continues to move > > towards Metro, and T

Re: [LAD] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Louigi Verona
"I'm surprised you didn't mention Luppp, libmapper, or the resurgence of ZynAddSubFX developement. Don't be - it is impossible to mention everything :) But this is why I want to hear what other people say - crowd source approach ;) On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:04 PM, J. Liles wrote: > > > On Wed,

Re: [LAD] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread J. Liles
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Louigi Verona wrote: > Hey fellas! > > Would like to present an article I've written. Mostly wrote it to start a > conversation and hear what others have to say on the subject. > > > http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_progress > >

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On Wed, October 10, 2012 11:33 pm, Ben Loftis wrote: > > I'd pose a different question: > > Is OSX/Win Audio moving _backward_? > > If OSX continues to move towards iOS, and Win continues to move towards > Metro, and Thunderbolt stalls, and screens get smaller, and expansion > ports get scarcer,

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Louigi Verona
Now that I am a little less zealous about free software (which is a different discussion anyway), I might just try Renoise out. I am rather tired of tracker interface. Does Renoise have a piano roll? On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:11 PM, James Mckernon wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Louigi

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Louigi Verona wrote: > Hello Ben! > > I'd like to answer your question: Is OSX/Win Audio moving _backward_? > > In the most general sense my answer would be a no. > in the general sense, sure. but Ben wasn't referring to the general sense. if you're on the "inside

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Louigi Verona
Hello Ben! I'd like to answer your question: Is OSX/Win Audio moving _backward_? In the most general sense my answer would be a no. It is like being in a process of building a house and looking at your neighbour who has already built a house and saying - "hm, his building process seems to be goin

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 6:09 AM, Dan MacDonald wrote: > Hi LV! > > Nice and interesting write up of your experiences and opinions there. I > agree with most all of it except: > > "Saving projects is still a huge problem. In addition to LADISH we do now > have NSM, the Non-Session Manager, which s

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Louigi Verona
Hey Dan! "Saving projects is only tricky if you use the modular approach versus instrument plugins hence this isn't really a problem for A3 and qtractor." True, but since there are very few plugins, most power of Linux Audio today is not in its plugin collection ;) On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:09 P

Re: [LAD] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread harryhaaren
On , Louigi Verona wrote: Would like to present an article I've written. Mostly wrote it to start a conversation and hear what others have to say on the subject. http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_progress Nice read, I'll mostly agree with you that althoug

[LAD] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Louigi Verona
Hey fellas! Would like to present an article I've written. Mostly wrote it to start a conversation and hear what others have to say on the subject. http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projects&s=writings&t=linux&a=linux_progress You can comment here or on my textboard (which does not require regist