Re: [LAD] Half-OT: Fader mapping - was - Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-22 Thread John Rigg
Ralf, please stop dictating how others should work. I've been recording in studios for 35 years and I like to think I know what I'm doing. Not everyone who has different working methods from yours is an idiot, but that seems to be what you are implying. John ___

Re: [LAD] Half-OT: Fader mapping - was - Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-22 Thread John Rigg
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 01:10:58AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2014-08-21 at 20:06 +0100, John Rigg wrote: > > The P+G faders (generally regarded as the best) > > Actually you get fader units for Studer with P&G, but also with Alps > faders. Such a module usually costs more than a complet

Re: [LAD] Half-OT: Fader mapping - was - Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 08:06:13PM +0100, John Rigg wrote: > http://www.pennyandgiles.com/Products/Audio-Faders-Video-Controllers/Linear-Manual-Fader-PGF8000.aspx > > The Panel Graduations/Slots diagrams on page 3 show the taper characteristic. The taper I'm using in some apps is very similar:

Re: [LAD] Half-OT: Fader mapping - was - Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 22 Aug 2014 09:29:30 +0200, John Rigg wrote: Ralf, please stop dictating how others should work. I've been recording in studios for 35 years and I like to think I know what I'm doing. Not everyone who has different working methods from yours is an idiot, but that seems to be what yo

Re: [LAD] Half-OT: Fader mapping - was - Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-08-22 at 08:41 +0100, John Rigg wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 01:10:58AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Thu, 2014-08-21 at 20:06 +0100, John Rigg wrote: > > > The P+G faders (generally regarded as the best) > > > > Actually you get fader units for Studer with P&G, but also with Al

Re: [LAD] Half-OT: Fader mapping - was - Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 12:32:19PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > IOW the odd design of this mixer and some other > mixers too, leads to learning how to mix in a > wrong way. I'd agree with that (while not commenting on the rest). Regarding EQ pre or post 'tape', that is for a part a matter or per

Re: [LAD] Half-OT: Fader mapping - was - Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-08-22 at 12:05 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 12:32:19PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > IOW the odd design of this mixer and some other > > mixers too, leads to learning how to mix in a > > wrong way. > > I'd agree with that (while not commenting on the res

Re: [LAD] Half-OT: Fader mapping - was - Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-08-22 at 12:05 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > With unlimited tracks available, this makes sense > of course, though it encourages postponing everything to the > mixing stage. I'm not convinced that is always a good idea, > you can easily end up with 'too much to handle' there. PS: I'

Re: [LAD] Half-OT: Fader mapping - was - Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-08-22 at 15:33 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > but newbies don't become a chance to do this ^^ get :D, "bekommen/erhalten" ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists

[LAD] Digital Effects

2014-08-22 Thread tom
Hi, is it correct that the following two scenarios give the exact same result? (digital audio signal) -> (record) -> (playback) -> (apply fx) -> (result) (digital audio signal) -> (apply fx) -> (record) -> (playback) -> (result) regards Tom ___ Linu

Re: [LAD] Digital Effects

2014-08-22 Thread gordonjcp
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 04:12:12PM +0200, t...@trellis.ch wrote: > > Hi, > > is it correct that the following two scenarios give the exact same result? > > (digital audio signal) -> (record) -> (playback) -> (apply fx) -> (result) > > (digital audio signal) -> (apply fx) -> (record) -> (playbac

Re: [LAD] Digital Effects

2014-08-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 04:12:12PM +0200, t...@trellis.ch wrote: > is it correct that the following two scenarios give the exact same result? > > (digital audio signal) -> (record) -> (playback) -> (apply fx) -> (result) > > (digital audio signal) -> (apply fx) -> (record) -> (playback) -> (resu

Re: [LAD] Fader mapping - was - Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-22 Thread Len Ovens
On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 07:37:43AM -0700, Len Ovens wrote: There is no problem with CPU use. On the sender side you transmit 0..127 which is just 7 bits of an ADC measuring the voltage from a linear fader or pot, there is no mapping at all. Yes, I

Re: [LAD] Digital Effects

2014-08-22 Thread tom
On Fri, August 22, 2014 16:35, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 04:12:12PM +0200, t...@trellis.ch wrote: > >> is it correct that the following two scenarios give the exact same >> result? >> >> (digital audio signal) -> (record) -> (playback) -> (apply fx) -> >> (result) >> >> >> (d

Re: [LAD] Digital Effects

2014-08-22 Thread Harry van Haaren
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 3:12 PM, wrote: > is it correct that the following two scenarios give the exact same result? > (digital audio signal) -> (record) -> (playback) -> (apply fx) -> (result) > (digital audio signal) -> (apply fx) -> (record) -> (playback) -> (result) I'll add a note that if l

Re: [LAD] Digital Effects

2014-08-22 Thread tom
On Fri, August 22, 2014 17:39, Harry van Haaren wrote: > > If the bass player recording with comp & eq also *hears* that, as > opposed to hearing it without compression... then perhaps they'll play > "better" and it'll be easier to mix. > this is an interesting side-aspect indeed that goes beyond

Re: [LAD] Fader mapping - was - Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-22 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 08:11:39AM -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > It appears this: "On the sender side you transmit 0..127 which is > just 7 bits of an ADC measuring the voltage from a linear fader or > pot, there is no mapping at all." Is not true... or at least not > usable as we would end up with s

Re: [LAD] Digital Effects

2014-08-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 22 August 2014 11:35:34 t...@trellis.ch did opine And Gene did reply: > On Fri, August 22, 2014 16:35, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 04:12:12PM +0200, t...@trellis.ch wrote: > >> is it correct that the following two scenarios give the exact same > >> result? > >> > >

Re: [LAD] Digital Effects

2014-08-22 Thread tom
:) /me likes anecdotes On Fri, August 22, 2014 19:36, Gene Heskett wrote: > And there is nothing that assaults ones ears more than someone who thinks > he has to have a room thumping bass line, sets it so the axe and drums > are about +20 db, then runs it all thru a fast compressor, "ducking" t

Re: [LAD] Digital Effects

2014-08-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-08-22 at 16:39 +0100, Harry van Haaren wrote: > I'll add a note that if looping the playback output, using the 1st > option the FX must constantly processes. Option 2 has the FX "recorded > in", which means the FX chain doesn't use CPU. Unfortunately this is a very important advice!

Re: [LAD] Half-OT: Fader mapping - was - Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-22 Thread Len Ovens
On Fri, 22 Aug 2014, Fons Adriaensen wrote: A DAW such as Ardour has remnants of the in-line structure. Logically there are still two signal paths in each track strip. But the 'pre-tape' part, instead of being a mixer, has been reduced to the mininum: no gain controls and fixed one-to-one connec