Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
@ nonsense and bullshit, where are the examples that it works? There is no valid recording with more than 1 or 2 channels, regarding to a natural impression. Some art projects that didn't try to give a natural impression are something very, very different. Most audio engineers still fail

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 22:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: @ nonsense and bullshit, where are the examples that it works? There is no valid recording with more than 1 or 2 channels, regarding to a natural impression. Some art projects that didn't try to give a natural impression are something

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 17:10 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: @ nonsense and bullshit, where are the examples that it works? There is no valid recording with more than 1 or 2 channels, regarding to a natural

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 23:21 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 10:58:13PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: @ nonsense and bullshit, where are the examples that it works? There is no valid recording with more than 1 or 2 channels, regarding to a natural impression

Re: [LAD] Attenuation of sounds in 3D space

2010-07-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-21 at 22:23 +0100, Folderol wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:10:35 -0400 Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: @ nonsense and bullshit, where are the examples that it works

Re: [LAD] May I asked something OT?

2010-07-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 20:17 +0100, Folderol wrote: On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 14:04:24 +0200 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 01:30 -0400, Tim E. Real wrote: On July 18, 2010 03:57:06 pm Ralf Mardorf wrote: A lot of kids wish to have a kill switch

[LAD] ALSA MIDI thru for live playing is ok (at least at the moment)

2010-07-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Without running JACK and with running JACK -p2048 44.1Khz and 96KHz, without HR timer enabled and with HR timer enabled ALSA MIDI used to make a thru connection was always ok when playing live, not only for the PCI MIDI, but even for USB MIDI. When playing the recordings from my last test by

Re: [LAD] May I asked something OT?

2010-07-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-07-19 at 01:30 -0400, Tim E. Real wrote: On July 18, 2010 03:57:06 pm Ralf Mardorf wrote: A lot of kids wish to have a kill switch for their guitars. A kill switch is a short circuit, to 'stop' the audio signal. I'm not fine with this solution, but the kids argue, that e.g

Re: [LAD] [Somewhat OT] Strange failure mode of a PC

2010-07-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-18 at 11:14 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 10:56:47PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Some lubricant obviously made its way in there, and one would have to assume that the switched current was sufficient to cause a microscopic arcing, which will in

Re: [LAD] [Somewhat OT] Strange failure mode of a PC

2010-07-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-18 at 14:37 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 07/17/2010 10:46 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: What I don't understand is how the contacts got so dirty. If a resistance of a few kOhm is enough to make it look as a closed contact then it can't be handling large currents,

Re: [LAD] [Somewhat OT] Strange failure mode of a PC

2010-07-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-18 at 11:14 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:08:03 am Folderol did opine: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:49:24 -0400 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: And I was in the 40's by then,, I'll be 76 in Oct, if this batch of fencepost holes don't

[LAD] May I asked something OT?

2010-07-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
A lot of kids wish to have a kill switch for their guitars. A kill switch is a short circuit, to 'stop' the audio signal. I'm not fine with this solution, but the kids argue, that e.g. an interruption does cause unwanted noise, especially for over drive sounds. IMO even using opto-electronics

Re: [LAD] [Somewhat OT] Strange failure mode of a PC

2010-07-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 22:46 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Hello all, Early this week one of the three 'rendering' PCs of the WFS system in the Sala Bianca failed. It just appeared completely dead and didn't even try to boot when the power button was pressed, but the standby power (for

Re: [LAD] [Somewhat OT] Strange failure mode of a PC

2010-07-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 23:23 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: The strange thing about that PC power switch is that it is almost never used. The rendering machines wake up by a LAN message from the master, and shutdown by remote control as well. They are never touched. That makes it more easy

Re: [LAD] [Somewhat OT] Strange failure mode of a PC

2010-07-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 18:04 -0400, drew Roberts wrote: On Saturday 17 July 2010 17:17:05 Ralf Mardorf wrote: Debouncing and live time of switches always is a gambling game. Makes me remember key debouncing issues with the TRS-80 Model I keyboards... drew In Germany they would arrest you

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 09:56 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: On Thursday 15 July 2010 01:14:45 Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 00:46 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Apart from that, it remains to be seen if *real* timing errors of +/- 2 ms do 'destroy the groove'. To test

[LAD] The linux audio servers are down :(

2010-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Shit, I tried to do some research, but lad.linuxaudio.org and linuxav.org/mailarchive seem to be down :( and it seems that my last mail didn't come through the list :(. Has anybody else this trouble? If not please send me an email. Shit! Ralf ___

Re: [LAD] The linux audio servers are down :(

2010-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 13:32 +0400, Mike Cookson wrote: Test message for lad.linuxaudio.org. Someone wrote, it could be down. It's ok now, not only for the list, but also the websites are ok :). -- Is it possible to get an audible difference between white noise and transposed white noise?

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 11:46 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: On Friday 16 July 2010 09:50:39 Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 09:56 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: You really should do that test first before speculating about the outcome and your audience. Btw. I tested my own music

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 12:19 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: (Thats why scientists always want more money for devices:) That's the reason for my signature. Ignore the ironical question, but the sentence about he metal palates in the vacuum is a serious ironical statement. No doubt about your

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 12:46 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I tested did it, but I'm sure Oops, there's a sentence accidentally killed ... sorry, but I'm in a hurry. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 07:02 -0400, drew Roberts wrote: On Friday 16 July 2010 06:06:02 Ralf Mardorf wrote: It's impossible to do neutral measurements and from a democratically worldview listening to recordings without dynamic is the winner. My personal take is that I would prefer different

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out

2010-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 13:26 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: On 07/16/2010 11:46 AM, Arnold Krille wrote: On Friday 16 July 2010 09:50:39 Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 09:56 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: You really should do that test first before speculating about the outcome

[LAD] Transport issue for Qtractor - has impact to the jitter issue

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Transport issue for Qtractor - has impact to the jitter issue So the advice to use amidiplay is something I'll follow soon. Hi all :), hi Robin :), hi Devin :) Robin, for 64 Studio 3.3 alpha the group has got read and write access to /dev/hpet too. Btw '[...] | sudo tee [...]' for 3.3 alpha

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 08:26 +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 19:56 +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 03:23:03PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Yamaha DX7 -- Alesis D4 results in a 100% musical groove. Yamaha DX7 -- PC -- Alesis D4

Re: [LAD] Transport issue for Qtractor - has impact to the jitter issue

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi Rui :) no, a misunderstanding, at -Rch -dalsa -dhw:0 -r96000 -p512 -n2 there's an issue internal Qtractor, no JACK transport. There's a MIDI track with FluidSynth DSSI and there's an audio track with a recording of FluidSynth DSSI, done by Qtractor audio out directly connected to audio in.

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 11:48 +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote: Who knows? Perhaps 2ms shown by Audacity are 20ms, because Audacity has a bug? Sounds unlikely Indeed. Perhaps 2ms shown by Audacity are 2ms, but when playing JACK, the sound card or what ever will add additional jitter? You

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
PS: How should I do - I should be able to get my Atari ST working. It's MIDI is good enough for my needs. So, how should I use the Atari ST to make a 'timestamp'-test as somebody recommended? The Atari e.g. could play 4 on the floor at 120 BPM. I could watch the received events by a Linux

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 12:55 +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: - instead of dev.hpet.max-user-freq=64 I'll try 1024 or 2048 as Robin mentioned This parameter will not have any effect on anything because there is no program that uses the HPET timers from userspace. When

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 13:45 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: On 07/15/2010 01:07 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 12:55 +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: - instead of dev.hpet.max-user-freq=64 I'll try 1024 or 2048 as Robin mentioned This parameter will not have

Re: [LAD] Midi tempo sync'd live drum machine

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
. Usually Rui does good programming. Forwarded Message From: Rui Nuno Capela rn...@rncbc.org To: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net Cc: Robin Gareus ro...@gareus.org, Devin Anderson de...@charityfinders.com, qtractor-devel qtractor-de...@lists.sourceforge.net, 64studio-devel 64studio

Re: [LAD] Midi tempo sync'd live drum machine

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 14:27 -0500, Nathanael Anderson wrote: Here is the setup i'm looking to do: midi master - special program ddr pad - special program special program - hydrogen I've got a hardware midi device controlling the master tempo. aseqdump shows the tempo messages x times a

Re: [LAD] Midi tempo sync'd live drum machine

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 22:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 14:27 -0500, Nathanael Anderson wrote: Here is the setup i'm looking to do: midi master - special program ddr pad - special program special program - hydrogen I've got a hardware midi device controlling

Re: [LAD] Midi tempo sync'd live drum machine

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
of possibilities for drum patterns, while you're playing the guitar ;)?! On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 22:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 14:27 -0500, Nathanael Anderson wrote

[LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi :) my PCI MIDI devices passed the alsa-midi-latency-test always with 1.01 ms, on several Linux, with several kernels and graphic drivers. It's audible that this can't be true. I was sceptic, when my USB MIDI passed with around 2 ms, because recordings did show that there is much more latency

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi Robin :) On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 15:44 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: On 07/14/2010 03:23 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: [..] AND IT'S AUDIBLE THAT THERE IS MUCH MORE JITTER BUT 1.1 ms. Any hints how to solve this are welcome. Did you try to start jackd with -p64 instead of -p1024 A good

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 15:52 +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: 1. I disconnected all audio connections for JACK and connected hw MIDI in to hw MIDI out. Is this connection through JACK or through ALSA, i.e., does it show up in the output of aconnect -l? From what I

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:53 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Clemens Ladisch clem...@ladisch.de wrote: Is this connection through JACK or through ALSA, i.e., does it show up in the output of aconnect -l? From what I understand, JACK's sample- synchronous timing

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 17:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:53 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Clemens Ladisch clem...@ladisch.de wrote: Is this connection through JACK or through ALSA, i.e., does it show up in the output of aconnect -l? From

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 17:24 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 17:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:53 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Clemens Ladisch clem...@ladisch.de wrote: Is this connection through JACK or through

[LAD] Correlation of alsa -p value and hw MIDI jitter

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi :) delayed by a thunder-storm I could do another test. 64 Studio 3.3 alpha (= Ubuntu Karmic) amd64 LXDE, poff dsl-provider, cpufreq-selector -g performance, chgrp audio /dev/hpet, sysctl -w dev.hpet.max-user-freq=64, modprobe snd-hrtimer Qtractor + HR timer playing FluidSynth DSSI drums and

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 17:30 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: On 07/14/2010 04:22 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hi Robin :) On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 15:44 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: On 07/14/2010 03:23 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: [..] AND IT'S AUDIBLE THAT THERE IS MUCH MORE JITTER BUT 1.1 ms. Any

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 19:56 +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote: You're posting a lot of information, but I'm going to ask some stupid questions anyway - just trying not to jump to conclusions before getting a crystal-clear picture of your setup. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 03:23:03PM +0200, Ralf

Re: [LAD] controlling access to the sound card

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 15:02 -0500, Jason Butler wrote: I have three applications that want to use the sound card, two audio stream players, and a voip phone. I want to set up linux so that if a call comes in on the phone the OS will disconnect the audio players, give exclusive access to the

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 21:42 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: On 07/14/2010 07:58 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 17:30 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: On 07/14/2010 04:22 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hi Robin :) On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 15:44 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: On 07/14/2010 03:23

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 21:45 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: On 07/14/2010 03:23 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: [..] $ su -c chgrp audio /dev/hpet Its also writable for the group, right? $ su -c sysctl -w dev.hpet.max-user-freq=64 Documentation on this value is hard to come by, but I think it's

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 22:16 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 21:45 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: On 07/14/2010 03:23 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: [..] $ su -c chgrp audio /dev/hpet Its also writable for the group, right? $ su -c sysctl -w dev.hpet.max-user-freq=64

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 21:45 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: On 07/14/2010 03:23 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: [..] $ su -c chgrp audio /dev/hpet Its also writable for the group, right? Sorry another PS, I missed to reply to this question. At least for Suse it is: spinymouse1...@suse11-2:~ su -c

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 21:37 +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 08:09:29PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 19:56 +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 03:23:03PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I disconnected all audio connections for JACK

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Jitter was around +- 4 ms as far as I was able to interpret the waveforms. Or it was at 4 ms = +- 2ms or something like that. This is a delay that isn't audible for day-today-day audio events, but it can brake a groove easily. Not if all instruments do have the same jitter, but if just one

Re: [LAD] [64studio-devel] [64studio-users] Correlation of alsa -p value and hw MIDI jitter

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 14:12 -0700, Devin Anderson wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 12:30 -0700, Devin Anderson wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Hi

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] [64studio-devel] Correlation of alsa -p value and hw MIDI jitter

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
No firewire here. I once had a MOTU, but I guess that there isn't a driver for Linux and the guy who lend me the MOTU + Mac was Dirk Brauner who isn't a friend anymore. I guess the MOTO was audio only. The people who are still my friends don't have much different equipment, but I've got. Always

[LAD] Sever issue?

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I guess nearly ever mail sent to LAD returned with an issue regarding to unable to deliver the message in the time limit specified to thaytan at noraisin dot net, while no mail was send to somebody who obviously has something seriously to do with GStreamer. Perhaps this is unimportant, but

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 00:46 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:54:35PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I could record audio for kick, snare, hi hat and bass one after the other and mix it to one rhythm group and additionally I could record all instruments at the same

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 00:46 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: [snip] What 'we' are able to 'hear' differs to what 'we' are able to 'feel' while playing an MIDI instrument. After listening 10 minutes to a bad timing, I'm unable to differ between a bad and a good timing, this is human. Try to

[LAD] PCI MIDI jitter - comparison Ubuntu (bad) and Suse (might be ok)

2010-07-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi :) today I compared a default Ubuntu Studio with and without the proprietary NVIDIA driver. Note that for Ubuntu Studio 2 tests failed because of time out errors, but even the tests that were passed with success are significantly less good, than the tests with openSUSE, were I set up audio

Re: [LAD] PCI MIDI jitter - comparison Ubuntu (bad) and Suse (might be ok)

2010-07-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
a difference in your measurements? ciao, robin On 07/11/2010 04:53 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Hi :) today I compared a default Ubuntu Studio with and without the proprietary NVIDIA driver. Note that for Ubuntu Studio 2 tests failed because of time out errors, but even the tests that were

Re: [LAD] PCI MIDI jitter - comparison Ubuntu (bad) and Suse (might be ok)

2010-07-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 17:21 +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 04:53:14PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: today I compared a default Ubuntu Studio with and without the proprietary NVIDIA driver. OK, so the proprietary driver seems to yield better 'worst latency' values

Re: [LAD] PCI MIDI jitter - comparison Ubuntu (bad) and Suse (might be ok)

2010-07-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 18:07 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: The whole output of 'ps -eo...' will be tooo long. Just have a look and check for high priority processes that are different on both systems. If you have rtirq installed: '/etc/init.d/rtirq status' will show the same list but only

Re: [LAD] PCI MIDI jitter - comparison Ubuntu (bad) and Suse (might be ok)

2010-07-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I don't run desktop effects, obscure deamons, screen savers, firewalls and there are no USB devices connected etc.. The NVIDIA 7200 GS already is a replacement for the ATI Radeon X1250, I'm not able to buy a new card all the times and the issues don't seem to be caused by the graphics, but e.g.

Re: [LAD] PCI MIDI jitter - comparison Ubuntu (bad) and Suse (might be ok)

2010-07-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 12:02 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: It's perfectly fine for the 1712, and the audio sync probably has nothing to do with midi jitter. Yep, I just wanted to underline that at the moment this are two cards, but one virtual. Unfortunately no kernel-rt is boot-able for my Ubuntu

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 11:49 +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: Hello! Both Ardour and Qtractor are capable sequencers. Ardour is getting midi soon, Qtractor is getting automation. All of this is good news. I was wondering if the devs are interested in implementing routing signals in a mixer as

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 10:05 +0200, Natanael Olaiz wrote: El 07/07/2010 09:49 AM, Louigi Verona escribió: Hello! Both Ardour and Qtractor are capable sequencers. Ardour is getting midi soon, Qtractor is getting automation. All of this is good news. I was wondering if the devs are

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 12:07 +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: Why not? I don't know in Qtractor, but in Ardour you can do that... For the audio signals, even routing to their inputs mono outputs of other tracks (and/or system inputs), or by sends. And for

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Thank you Niels :). Unfortunately I couldn't search my old e-mails, hence the new HDD is in a package 'sitting' on my Yamaha SPX 90II (but mounted to my PC), while the backup of the broken HDD is on an USB stick, so extracting would take too much time for me at the moment ;). But I was sure on

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 13:12 +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Natanael Olaiz nol...@gmail.com wrote: Ardour does not see three inputs of, say, a LADSPA Vocoder. It sees only two. LADSPA Vocoder has three and you need

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I GUESS in other words, mono in and stereo out ;)?! Resp. the modifying signal is mono, but the manipulated signal is stereo in and stereo out?! ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 13:19 +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I GUESS in other words, mono in and stereo out ;)?! Resp. the modifying signal is mono, but the manipulated

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 10:21 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: Is there a similar solution with Qtractor possible for audio plugins that output midi (e.g. audio-midi pitch detection as provided by 'autotalent'), or midi-controlled audio-processing plugins (again, such as autotalent). You mentioned this

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 19:40 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 10:21 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: Is there a similar solution with Qtractor possible for audio plugins that output midi (e.g. audio-midi pitch detection as provided by 'autotalent'), or midi-controlled audio

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 19:51 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 05:12:56PM +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote: It doesn't help plugin developers either if they have to chose between 5-7 plugin APIs, knowing that, whatever they chose, only a, often tiny, subset of

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 14:23 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Niels Mayer nielsma...@gmail.com wrote: What if you want to use MIDI control as your side chain ( just for the record, ardour3 in SVN can now do this. i'm not suggesting that anyone actually try it out

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 20:39 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 14:23 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Niels Mayer nielsma...@gmail.com wrote: What if you want to use MIDI control as your side chain ( just for the record, ardour3 in SVN can now do

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 10:21 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: A good example of this would be using a fast on/off repeating note in midi to gate an existing signal -- to give that old school rave sound to synths Btw. while mixing consoles do have 'on/off' switches, the Yamaha MT44D had a 'touch'

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 22:53 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 08:23:50PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: I guess a developer just needs to take a look at what is supported by (in lexically order) Ardour, Qtractor and Rosegarden as host. Depends on the developer's own

[LAD] MIDI jitter

2010-07-06 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 10:57 +0100, Daniel James wrote: [snip] I notice http://www.rme-audio.de/en_support_techinfo.php?page=content/support/en_support_techinfo_steadyclock doesn't mention USB or MIDI at all. Cheers! Daniel Hi all :) hi Daniel :) I'll read this link tomorrow, I just did

Re: [LAD] MIDI jitter

2010-07-06 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 10:25 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I've got a good feeling, that around 1ms (when the -R switch is set) would be good enough to make music, but again, even if the test says 2.23 ms for the USB

Re: [LAD] MIDI jitter

2010-07-06 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 10:25 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I've got a good feeling, that around 1ms (when the -R switch is set) would be good enough to make music, but again, even if the test says 2.23 ms for the USB

Re: [LAD] No nagging, a serious question

2010-07-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 00:52 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 11:05:02PM +0100, Dan Mills wrote: On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 23:35 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Well, at least those sound cards that provide both audio and midi *could* do this - timestamp

Re: [LAD] [Fwd: Re: No nagging, a serious question]

2010-07-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 19:08 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Sunday 04 July 2010, Gordon JC Pearce wrote: On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 22:16 +0100, Dan Mills wrote: You could probably hack a multi serial port card to do multiple midi ports (Change the rock to give a suitable divider for 31250 baud

Re: [LAD] [Fwd: Re: No nagging, a serious question]

2010-07-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
and regarding to firewire I read too much about driver issues. On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 17:38 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: Good to read about this issue. I always disable the on-board audio devices, but I would add a second

[LAD] MIDI jitter - Today for 4 of 4 tests my USB device did pass all tests with success

2010-07-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Today my swissonic USB MIDInterface didn't fail the ALSA MIDI latency tests. There are 3 differences. 1. I didn't use 64 Studio 3.0-beta3 and I didn't use 64 Studio 3.3 alpha, but Suse 11.2 were the rt stuff isn't from the repositories, but self build. 2. Using another kernel version, the

[LAD] MIDI jitter - Today for 4 of 4 tests my USB device did pass all tests with success

2010-07-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 10:15 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Forwarded Message From: Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net To: Clemens Ladisch clem...@ladisch.de Cc: Linux Audio Developers linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org Subject: MIDI jitter - Today for 4 of 4 tests my USB

Re: [LAD] MIDI jitter - Today for 4 of 4 tests my USB device did pass all tests with success

2010-07-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 10:33 +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote: On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 10:25:23AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: So the visually test around 4 ms and ALSA MIDI latency test around 4 ms from today might be correct results for my computer That sounds pretty good then. and at least

Re: [LAD] MIDI jitter - Today for 4 of 4 tests my USB device did pass all tests with success

2010-07-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 10:47 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 10:33 +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote: On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 10:25:23AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: So the visually test around 4 ms and ALSA MIDI latency test around 4 ms from today might be correct results for my

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 18:45 +0200, Adrian Knoth wrote: Damn, where's my prozac? When you go wild you shouldn't take selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, instead try some stimulus retarding tricyclic antidepressants, if you need antidepressants, but tranquilizer. I hope the signature is

[LAD] No nagging, a serious question

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I once did a MIDI extension for SpeechBasic to program a real time MIDI sound sampler on BASIC for the C64, for example $1810 LDA $DEO6 $1813 LSR $1814 BCC $1810 $1816 LDA $DE07; read MIDI event byte, usually followed by RTS This are 6 bytes of code, to get a MIDI data byte from the UART. I did

Re: [LAD] No nagging, a serious question

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
$1810 LDA $DEO6 $1813 LSR $1814 BCC $1810 $1816 LDA $DE07; read MIDI event byte, usually followed by RTS This are 9 bytes of code, but 6 :S ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org

Re: [LAD] No nagging, a serious question

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 15:46 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: I once did a MIDI extension for SpeechBasic to program a real time MIDI sound sampler on BASIC for the C64, for example $1810 LDA $DEO6 $1813 LSR $1814

Re: [LAD] No nagging, a serious question

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 20:57 +0100, James Morris wrote: Can you not see that Linux is just a little bit more complex than a C64? Just to begin with, a C64 is a C64, where as Linux is ARM, x86, AMD64, etc etc etc. A comparison to the C64 is caring it to extremes, perhaps I should compare to

[LAD] [Fwd: Re: No nagging, a serious question]

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 21:52 +0100, Dan Mills wrote: Trying again, I accidentally sent this off list the first time So I can add, I anyway will test to use two PCI cards, at least for MIDI, for audio would be nice too. Forwarded Message From: Ralf Mardorf To: Dan Mills

Re: [LAD] [Fwd: Re: No nagging, a serious question]

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 22:14 +0100, Dan Mills wrote: You could probably hack a multi serial port card to do multiple midi ports (Change the rock to give a suitable divider for 31250 baud (4MHz?), add current loop interfaces)... If one is fine with programming on Linux ;).

Re: [LAD] No nagging, a serious question

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 23:05 +0100, Dan Mills wrote: On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 23:35 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: Well, at least those sound cards that provide both audio and midi *could* do this - timestamp incoming midi and provide that info in some way, and requiring similar time

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-07-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 09:51 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Hmm, I'm on mdv-2010-x64 at the moment, what package would I find this test utility in? Hi Gene :) install (debhelper) autotools-dev automake libasound2-dev $ git clone git://github.com/koppi/alsa-midi-latency-test.git $ cd

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-07-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 14:51 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: sudo alsa-midi-latency-test -w 20 -r -R -i 36:0 -o 36:0 Perhaps better without sudo. -- Suse 11.2 - Proprietärer NVIDIA-Treiber Beitrag von stachelmaus » 3. Jul 2010, 12:48 Hi :) für einen selbst gebauten Kernel 2.6.31.6-rt19 x86_64 habe

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-07-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
PS: Perhaps you need to install git-core too. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-07-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
PS: Perhaps you need to install git-core too. And libtool. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-07-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
and with glxgears running. On Sat, 2010-07-03 at 09:12 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: 2010/7/3 Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net: On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 14:51 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: sudo alsa-midi-latency-test -w 20 -r -R -i 36:0 -o 36:0 Perhaps better without sudo. I was just following Paul Davis

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-06-30 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-06-29 at 23:42 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: I don't know anything about the terratec as I bought my first (used) card manufactured by them recently: they're almost mercedes-like in their overengineering of things (super high quality circuit board and engineering) and the

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-06-30 Thread Ralf Mardorf
PS: Don't buy this one http://www.thomann.de/gb/swissonic_midiusb_1x1.htm When I bought it, it costs between 19 and 20 €. It's much better when using it with Windows, but even for Windows it won't fit to the ears of a musician. I deeply suspect the USB MIDI device now causing jitter.

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