Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-06-30 Thread Ralf Mardorf
PS: Don't buy this one http://www.thomann.de/gb/swissonic_midiusb_1x1.htm When I bought it, it costs between 19 and 20 €. It's much better when using it with Windows, but even for Windows it won't fit to the ears of a musician. I deeply suspect the USB MIDI device now causing jitter. __

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-07-01 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 14:27 +0200, Adrian Knoth wrote: > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 06:20:30PM -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: > > > What's interesting to note is that most of the USB MIDI interfaces do > > not have consistent latency (Other than the Roland UM2's consistent > > Let me just show you the re

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-07-01 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 14:48 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > I've no idea how this test works, but if it uses the same > interface for TX an RX the results should be treated with > a healthy dose of scepticism. Not only because the system is measuring it self, but also because there is no way

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-07-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 09:51 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Hmm, I'm on mdv-2010-x64 at the moment, what package would I find this test > utility in? Hi Gene :) install (debhelper) autotools-dev automake libasound2-dev $ git clone git://github.com/koppi/alsa-midi-latency-test.git $ cd alsa-midi-la

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-07-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 14:51 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: > sudo alsa-midi-latency-test -w 20 -r -R -i 36:0 -o 36:0 Perhaps better without sudo. -- "Suse 11.2 - Proprietärer NVIDIA-Treiber Beitrag von stachelmaus » 3. Jul 2010, 12:48 Hi :) für einen selbst gebauten Kernel 2.6.31.6-rt19 x86_64 hab

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-07-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
PS: Perhaps you need to install git-core too. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-07-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
> PS: Perhaps you need to install git-core too. And libtool. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-07-03 Thread Ralf Mardorf
and without and with glxgears running. On Sat, 2010-07-03 at 09:12 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: > 2010/7/3 Ralf Mardorf : > > On Fri, 2010-07-02 at 14:51 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: > >> sudo alsa-midi-latency-test -w 20 -r -R -i 36:0 -o 36:0 > > > > Perhaps better withou

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 18:45 +0200, Adrian Knoth wrote: > Damn, where's my prozac? When you go wild you shouldn't take selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, instead try some stimulus retarding tricyclic antidepressants, if you need antidepressants, but tranquilizer. I hope the signature is ple

[LAD] No nagging, a serious question

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I once did a MIDI extension for SpeechBasic to program a real time MIDI sound sampler on BASIC for the C64, for example $1810 LDA $DEO6 $1813 LSR $1814 BCC $1810 $1816 LDA $DE07; read MIDI event byte, usually followed by RTS This are 6 bytes of code, to get a MIDI data byte from the UART. I did a

Re: [LAD] No nagging, a serious question

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
> $1810 LDA $DEO6 > $1813 LSR > $1814 BCC $1810 > $1816 LDA $DE07; read MIDI event byte, usually followed by RTS > > This are 9 bytes of code, but 6 :S ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/li

Re: [LAD] No nagging, a serious question

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 15:46 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > I once did a MIDI extension for SpeechBasic to program a real time MIDI > > sound sampler on BASIC for the C64, for example > > > > $1810 LDA $DEO6 >

Re: [LAD] No nagging, a serious question

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 20:57 +0100, James Morris wrote: > Can you not see that Linux is just a little bit more complex than a C64? > > Just to begin with, a C64 is a C64, where as Linux is ARM, x86, AMD64, > etc etc etc. A comparison to the C64 is caring it to extremes, perhaps I should compare t

[LAD] [Fwd: Re: No nagging, a serious question]

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 21:52 +0100, Dan Mills wrote: > Trying again, I accidentally sent this off list the first time So I can add, I anyway will test to use two PCI cards, at least for MIDI, for audio would be nice too. Forwarded Message From: Ralf Mardorf To: Dan Mi

Re: [LAD] [Fwd: Re: No nagging, a serious question]

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 22:14 +0100, Dan Mills wrote: > You could probably hack a multi serial port card to do multiple midi > ports (Change the rock to give a suitable divider for 31250 baud > (4MHz?), add current loop interfaces)... If one is fine with programming on Linux ;). __

Re: [LAD] No nagging, a serious question

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 23:05 +0100, Dan Mills wrote: > On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 23:35 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > > > Well, at least those sound cards that provide both audio and midi > > *could* do this - timestamp incoming midi and provide that info > > in some way, and requiring similar ti

Re: [LAD] No nagging, a serious question

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 00:52 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 11:05:02PM +0100, Dan Mills wrote: > > > On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 23:35 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > > > > > Well, at least those sound cards that provide both audio and midi > > > *could* do this - time

Re: [LAD] [Fwd: Re: No nagging, a serious question]

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 19:08 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 04 July 2010, Gordon JC Pearce wrote: > >On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 22:16 +0100, Dan Mills wrote: > >> You could probably hack a multi serial port card to do multiple midi > >> ports (Change the rock to give a suitable divider for 31250

Re: [LAD] [Fwd: Re: No nagging, a serious question]

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
very often and regarding to firewire I read too much about driver issues. On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 17:38 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: > On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > Good to read about this issue. I always disable the on-board audio > > devices, but I would a

Re: [LAD] [Fwd: Re: No nagging, a serious question]

2010-07-04 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 23:16 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Dan Mills wrote: > > This sort of issue is what the ALSA midi sequencer is really intended to > > fix, by making midi timing a kernel problem rather then a user space > > one. > > the mistake there is that it m

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] MIDI jitter

2010-07-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 09:16 +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Niels Mayer wrote: > > Here's the new results with "-w 20" (nb: "-w" == "-w 0") > > > >> A) Edirol UM-2 > > > > best latency was 2.07 ms > > worst latency was 3.11 ms, which is great. > > As long we're optimizing for benchmarks: In r

[LAD] MIDI jitter - Today for 4 of 4 tests my USB device did pass all tests with success

2010-07-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Today my swissonic USB MIDInterface didn't fail the ALSA MIDI latency tests. There are 3 differences. 1. I didn't use 64 Studio 3.0-beta3 and I didn't use 64 Studio 3.3 alpha, but Suse 11.2 were the rt stuff isn't from the repositories, but self build. 2. Using another kernel version, the kernel

[LAD] MIDI jitter - Today for 4 of 4 tests my USB device did pass all tests with success

2010-07-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 10:15 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Forwarded Message > From: Ralf Mardorf > To: Clemens Ladisch > Cc: Linux Audio Developers > Subject: MIDI jitter - Today for 4 of 4 tests my USB device did pass all > tests with success > Date: Mon,

Re: [LAD] MIDI jitter - Today for 4 of 4 tests my USB device did pass all tests with success

2010-07-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 10:33 +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote: > On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 10:25:23AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > So the visually test around 4 ms and ALSA MIDI latency test around 4 ms > > from today might be correct results for my computer > > That so

Re: [LAD] MIDI jitter - Today for 4 of 4 tests my USB device did pass all tests with success

2010-07-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 10:47 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 10:33 +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 10:25:23AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > So the visually test around 4 ms and ALSA MIDI latency test around 4 ms > > >

Re: [LAD] MIDI jitter - Today for 4 of 4 tests my USB device did pass all tests with success

2010-07-05 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 10:33 +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote: > On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 10:25:23AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > So the visually test around 4 ms and ALSA MIDI latency test around 4 ms > > from today might be correct results for my computer > > That so

[LAD] MIDI jitter

2010-07-06 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 10:57 +0100, Daniel James wrote: [snip] > I notice > http://www.rme-audio.de/en_support_techinfo.php?page=content/support/en_support_techinfo_steadyclock > doesn't mention USB or MIDI at all. > > Cheers! > > Daniel Hi all :) hi Daniel :) I'll read this link tomorrow, I jus

Re: [LAD] MIDI jitter

2010-07-06 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 10:25 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > I've got a good feeling, that around 1ms (when the -R switch is set) > > would be good enough to make music, but again, even if the test says > > 2.23 ms

Re: [LAD] MIDI jitter

2010-07-06 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 10:25 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 8:06 AM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > I've got a good feeling, that around 1ms (when the -R switch is set) > > would be good enough to make music, but again, even if the test says > > 2.23 ms

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 11:49 +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: > Hello! > > Both Ardour and Qtractor are capable sequencers. Ardour is getting > midi soon, Qtractor is getting automation. All of this is good news. > > I was wondering if the devs are interested in implementing routing > signals in a mixe

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 10:05 +0200, Natanael Olaiz wrote: > El 07/07/2010 09:49 AM, Louigi Verona escribió: > > Hello! > > > > Both Ardour and Qtractor are capable sequencers. Ardour is getting > > midi soon, Qtractor is getting automation. All of this is good news. > > > > I was wondering if the

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 12:07 +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: > > Why not? > I don't know in Qtractor, but in Ardour you can do that... For > the audio signals, even routing to their inputs mono outputs > of other tracks (and/or system inputs), or by sends. > And

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Thank you Niels :). Unfortunately I couldn't search my old e-mails, hence the new HDD is in a package 'sitting' on my Yamaha SPX 90II (but mounted to my PC), while the backup of the broken HDD is on an USB stick, so extracting would take too much time for me at the moment ;). But I was sure on some

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 13:12 +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Natanael Olaiz > wrote: > > > > > > Ardour does not see three inputs of, say, a LADSPA Vocoder. > > It sees only two. LADSPA Vocoder has three and you need > >

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
> I GUESS in other words, mono in and stereo out ;)?! Resp. the modifying signal is mono, but the manipulated signal is stereo in and stereo out?! ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinf

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 13:19 +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > > I GUESS in other words, mono in and stereo out ;)?! > > > Resp. the modifying signal is mo

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 10:21 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: > Is there a similar solution with Qtractor possible for audio plugins > that output midi (e.g. audio->midi pitch detection as provided by > 'autotalent'), or midi-controlled audio-processing plugins (again, > such as autotalent). You mentioned

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 19:40 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 10:21 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: > > Is there a similar solution with Qtractor possible for audio plugins > > that output midi (e.g. audio->midi pitch detection as provided by > > 'autotalen

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 19:51 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 05:12:56PM +0200, Philipp Überbacher wrote: > > It doesn't help plugin developers either if they have to > > chose between 5-7 plugin APIs, knowing that, whatever they > > chose, only a, often tiny, subset of p

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 14:23 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Niels Mayer wrote: > > > What if you want to use MIDI control as your "side chain" ( > > just for the record, ardour3 in SVN can now do this. i'm not > suggesting that anyone actually try it out yet, though, a

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 20:39 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 14:23 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Niels Mayer wrote: > > > > > What if you want to use MIDI control as your "side chain" ( > > > > just

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 20:46 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 20:39 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 14:23 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Niels Mayer wrote: > > > > > > > What if you want

Re: [LAD] Routing signals in mixer (Ardour, Qtractor)

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
> On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 10:21 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: > > A good example of this would be using a fast on/off > > repeating "note" in midi to gate an existing signal -- to give that > > old school rave sound to synths Btw. while mixing consoles do have 'on/off' switches, the Yamaha MT44D had a

Re: [LAD] Feature request for FIL-Plugins

2010-07-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 22:53 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 08:23:50PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > I guess a developer just needs to take a look at what is supported by > > (in lexically order) Ardour, Qtractor and Rosegarden as host. &

Re: [LAD] midi stream error analysis

2010-07-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 14:04 +0200, Pedro Lopez-Cabanillas wrote: > On Friday, July 9, 2010, James Morris wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Is there any software which will tell me of 'errors' in the midi stream? > > kmidimon > > > I'm having trouble with notes which hold for too long and want an easy > > wa

[LAD] PCI MIDI jitter - comparison Ubuntu (bad) and Suse (might be ok)

2010-07-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi :) today I compared a default Ubuntu Studio with and without the proprietary NVIDIA driver. Note that for Ubuntu Studio 2 tests failed because of time out errors, but even the tests that were passed with success are significantly less good, than the tests with openSUSE, were I set up audio myse

Re: [LAD] PCI MIDI jitter - comparison Ubuntu (bad) and Suse (might be ok)

2010-07-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
pens if you use the same kernel (SuSE's kernel on Ubuntu, or > vice versa) but different disto user-lands? Is there still a difference > in your measurements? > > ciao, > robin > > On 07/11/2010 04:53 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Hi :) > > > > today I comp

Re: [LAD] PCI MIDI jitter - comparison Ubuntu (bad) and Suse (might be ok)

2010-07-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 17:21 +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote: > On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 04:53:14PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > today I compared a default Ubuntu Studio with and without the > > proprietary NVIDIA driver. > > OK, so the proprietary driver seems to yield better &

Re: [LAD] PCI MIDI jitter - comparison Ubuntu (bad) and Suse (might be ok)

2010-07-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 18:07 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: > The whole output of 'ps -eo...' will be tooo long. Just have a look > and check for high priority processes that are different on both systems. > If you have rtirq installed: '/etc/init.d/rtirq status' will show the > same list but only d

Re: [LAD] PCI MIDI jitter - comparison Ubuntu (bad) and Suse (might be ok)

2010-07-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I don't run desktop effects, obscure deamons, screen savers, firewalls and there are no USB devices connected etc.. The NVIDIA 7200 GS already is a replacement for the ATI Radeon X1250, I'm not able to buy a new card all the times and the issues don't seem to be caused by the graphics, but e.g. fo

Re: [LAD] PCI MIDI jitter - comparison Ubuntu (bad) and Suse (might be ok)

2010-07-11 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 12:02 -0700, Niels Mayer wrote: > It's perfectly fine for the 1712, and the audio sync probably has > nothing to do with midi jitter. Yep, I just wanted to underline that at the moment this are two cards, but one virtual. Unfortunately no kernel-rt is boot-able for my Ubuntu

[LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi :) my PCI MIDI devices passed the alsa-midi-latency-test always with < 1.01 ms, on several Linux, with several kernels and graphic drivers. It's audible that this can't be true. I was sceptic, when my USB MIDI passed with around 2 ms, because recordings did show that there is much more latency

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi Robin :) On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 15:44 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 07/14/2010 03:23 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > [..] > > AND IT'S AUDIBLE THAT THERE IS MUCH MORE JITTER BUT 1.1 ms. > > > > Any hints how to solve this are welcome. > > Did you try to s

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 15:52 +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > 1. > > > > I disconnected all audio connections for JACK and connected hw MIDI in > > to hw MIDI out. > > Is this connection through JACK or through ALSA, i.e., does it show u

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:53 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > Is this connection through JACK or through ALSA, i.e., does it show up > > in the output of "aconnect -l"? From what I understand, JACK's sample- > > synchronous timing always adds l

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 17:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:53 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > > > Is this connection through JACK or through ALSA, i.e., does it show up > > > in the output of

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 17:24 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 17:21 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 10:53 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Clemens Ladisch > > > wrote: > > > > Is this

[LAD] Correlation of alsa -p value and hw MIDI jitter

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi :) delayed by a thunder-storm I could do another test. 64 Studio 3.3 alpha (= Ubuntu Karmic) amd64 LXDE, poff dsl-provider, cpufreq-selector -g performance, chgrp audio /dev/hpet, sysctl -w dev.hpet.max-user-freq=64, modprobe snd-hrtimer Qtractor + HR timer playing FluidSynth DSSI drums and

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 17:30 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 07/14/2010 04:22 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Hi Robin :) > > > > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 15:44 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: > >> On 07/14/2010 03:23 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >>> [..] > >>&g

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
14, 2010 at 03:23:03PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > 1. > > > > I disconnected all audio connections for JACK and connected hw MIDI in > > to hw MIDI out. connected the DX7 MIDI out directly to the D4 MIDI in and > > then I reconnected to the PCI card. > > >

Re: [LAD] controlling access to the sound card

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 15:02 -0500, Jason Butler wrote: > I have three applications that want to use the sound card, two audio stream > players, and a voip phone. > I want to set up linux so that if a call comes in on the phone the OS > will disconnect the audio players, give exclusive access to t

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 21:42 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 07/14/2010 07:58 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 17:30 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: > >> On 07/14/2010 04:22 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >>> Hi Robin :) > >>> > >>>

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 21:45 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 07/14/2010 03:23 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > [..] > > $ su -c "chgrp audio /dev/hpet" > Its also writable for the group, right? > > > $ su -c "sysctl -w dev.hpet.max-user-freq=64" > >

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 22:16 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 21:45 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: > > On 07/14/2010 03:23 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > [..] > > > $ su -c "chgrp audio /dev/hpet" > > Its also writable for the group, rig

Re: [LAD] ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 21:45 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 07/14/2010 03:23 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > [..] > > $ su -c "chgrp audio /dev/hpet" > Its also writable for the group, right? Sorry another PS, I missed to reply to this question. At least for Suse it

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 21:37 +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 08:09:29PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 19:56 +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 03:23:03PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > I disconne

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
> Jitter was around > +- 4 ms as far as I was able to interpret the waveforms. Or it was at 4 ms = +- 2ms or something like that. This is a delay that isn't audible for day-today-day audio events, but it can brake a groove easily. Not if all instruments do have the same jitter, but if just one ins

Re: [LAD] [64studio-devel] [64studio-users] Correlation of alsa -p value and hw MIDI jitter

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 14:12 -0700, Devin Anderson wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 12:30 -0700, Devin Anderson wrote: > >> On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Ralf Mardorf > >> wrote: > >> > >

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 23:43 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:28:54PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > Or it was at 4 ms = +- 2ms or something like that. This is a delay that > > isn't audible for day-today-day audio events, but it can br

Re: [LAD] [64studio-users] [64studio-devel] Correlation of alsa -p value and hw MIDI jitter

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
No firewire here. I once had a MOTU, but I guess that there isn't a driver for Linux and the guy who lend me the MOTU + Mac was Dirk Brauner who isn't a friend anymore. I guess the MOTO was audio only. The people who are still my friends don't have much different equipment, but I've got. Always Env

[LAD] Sever issue?

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I guess nearly ever mail sent to LAD returned with an issue regarding to unable to deliver the message in the time limit specified to thaytan at noraisin dot net, while no mail was send to somebody who obviously has something seriously to do with GStreamer. Perhaps this is unimportant, but because

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 00:46 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:54:35PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > I could record audio for kick, snare, hi hat and bass one after the > > other and mix it to one rhythm group and additionally I could record all

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-14 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 00:46 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: [snip] What 'we' are able to 'hear' differs to what 'we' are able to 'feel' while playing an MIDI instrument. After listening 10 minutes to a bad timing, I'm unable to differ between a bad and a good timing, this is human. Try to disti

[LAD] Transport issue for Qtractor - has impact to the jitter issue

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Transport issue for Qtractor - has impact to the jitter issue So the advice to use amidiplay is something I'll follow soon. Hi all :), hi Robin :), hi Devin :) Robin, for 64 Studio 3.3 alpha the group has got read and write access to /dev/hpet too. Btw '[...] | sudo tee [...]' for 3.3 alpha isn't

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 08:26 +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 19:56 +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 03:23:03PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > Yamaha DX7 --> Alesis D4 results in a 100% m

Re: [LAD] Transport issue for Qtractor - has impact to the jitter issue

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi Rui :) no, a misunderstanding, at -Rch -dalsa -dhw:0 -r96000 -p512 -n2 there's an issue internal Qtractor, no JACK transport. There's a MIDI track with FluidSynth DSSI and there's an audio track with a recording of FluidSynth DSSI, done by Qtractor audio out directly connected to audio in. Th

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 11:48 +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote: > > Who knows? Perhaps 2ms shown by Audacity are 20ms, because Audacity has > > a bug? > > Sounds unlikely Indeed. > > Perhaps 2ms shown by Audacity are 2ms, but when playing JACK, the > > sound card or what ever will add additional jitte

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
PS: > How should I do > > - I should be able to get my Atari ST working. It's MIDI is good enough > for my needs. So, how should I use the Atari ST to make a > 'timestamp'-test as somebody recommended? > The Atari e.g. could play 4 on the floor at 120 BPM. I could watch the > received events by a

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 12:55 +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > - instead of dev.hpet.max-user-freq=64 I'll try 1024 or 2048 as Robin > > mentioned > > This parameter will not have any effect on anything because there is no > program that uses t

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 13:45 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 07/15/2010 01:07 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 12:55 +0200, Clemens Ladisch wrote: > >> Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >>> - instead of dev.hpet.max-user-freq=64 I'll try 1024 or 2048 as R

Re: [LAD] Midi tempo sync'd live drum machine

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
es, but they have nothing to do with JACK transport. I guess (didn't use it) JACK transport is okay, with the limits Rui mentioned today. Usually Rui does good programming. Forwarded Message From: Rui Nuno Capela To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: Robin Gareus , Devin Anderson , qtractor

Re: [LAD] Midi tempo sync'd live drum machine

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 14:27 -0500, Nathanael Anderson wrote: > Here is the setup i'm looking to do: > > midi master -> special program > ddr pad -> special program > special program -> hydrogen > > I've got a hardware midi device controlling the master tempo. aseqdump > shows the tempo messages x

Re: [LAD] Midi tempo sync'd live drum machine

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 22:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 14:27 -0500, Nathanael Anderson wrote: > > Here is the setup i'm looking to do: > > > > midi master -> special program > > ddr pad -> special program > > special program -

Re: [LAD] Midi tempo sync'd live drum machine

2010-07-15 Thread Ralf Mardorf
a PC. I guess you not only wish to chose between a fistful of possibilities for drum patterns, while you're playing the guitar ;)?! > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 22:58 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 09:56 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: > On Thursday 15 July 2010 01:14:45 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 00:46 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > > > Apart from that, it remains to be seen if *real* timing errors of > > > +/- 2 ms do &#

[LAD] The linux audio servers are down :(

2010-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Shit, I tried to do some research, but lad.linuxaudio.org and linuxav.org/mailarchive seem to be down :( and it seems that my last mail didn't come through the list :(. Has anybody else this trouble? If not please send me an email. Shit! Ralf ___ Li

Re: [LAD] The linux audio servers are down :(

2010-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 13:32 +0400, Mike Cookson wrote: > Test message for lad.linuxaudio.org. Someone wrote, it could be down. It's ok now, not only for the list, but also the websites are ok :). -- Is it possible to get an audible difference between white noise and transposed white noise? Some

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 11:46 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: > On Friday 16 July 2010 09:50:39 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 09:56 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: > > > You really should do that test first before speculating about the outcome > > > and your aud

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 12:19 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: > (Thats why scientists always want more money for devices:) That's the reason for my signature. Ignore the ironical question, but the sentence about he metal palates in the vacuum is a serious ironical statement. No doubt about your argume

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 12:46 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I tested did it, but I'm sure Oops, there's a sentence accidentally killed ... sorry, but I'm in a hurry. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.l

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out (was: Re: ALSA MIDI latency test results are far away from reality)

2010-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 07:02 -0400, drew Roberts wrote: > On Friday 16 July 2010 06:06:02 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > It's impossible to do neutral measurements and from a democratically > > worldview listening to recordings without dynamic is the winner. > > My personal t

Re: [LAD] Tests directly routing pc's midi-in to midi-out

2010-07-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 13:26 +0200, Robin Gareus wrote: > On 07/16/2010 11:46 AM, Arnold Krille wrote: > > On Friday 16 July 2010 09:50:39 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 09:56 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote: > >>> You really should do that test first before

Re: [LAD] [Somewhat OT] Strange failure mode of a PC

2010-07-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 22:46 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > Hello all, > > Early this week one of the three 'rendering' PCs of the WFS > system in the Sala Bianca failed. It just appeared completely > dead and didn't even try to boot when the power button was > pressed, but the standby power

Re: [LAD] [Somewhat OT] Strange failure mode of a PC

2010-07-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 22:07 +0100, Folderol wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 22:46:01 +0200 > f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > > > Still it's quite sobering that this cheap 0.30 Euro thing > > was capable of bringing down a 1600 Euro workstation... > > Who would suspect a switch to fail in this way ? >

Re: [LAD] [Somewhat OT] Strange failure mode of a PC

2010-07-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 23:23 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > The strange thing about that PC power switch is that it is > almost never used. The rendering machines wake up by a LAN > message from the master, and shutdown by remote control as > well. They are never touched. That makes it more e

Re: [LAD] [Somewhat OT] Strange failure mode of a PC

2010-07-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 18:04 -0400, drew Roberts wrote: > On Saturday 17 July 2010 17:17:05 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Debouncing and live time of switches always is a gambling game. > > Makes me remember key debouncing issues with the TRS-80 Model I keyboards... > > drew

Re: [LAD] [Somewhat OT] Strange failure mode of a PC

2010-07-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 18:04 -0400, drew Roberts wrote: > On Saturday 17 July 2010 17:17:05 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Debouncing and live time of switches always is a gambling game. > > Makes me remember key debouncing issues with the TRS-80 Model I keyboards... >

Re: [LAD] [Somewhat OT] Strange failure mode of a PC

2010-07-17 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2010-07-17 at 23:32 +0100, Folderol wrote: > I would say the black deposit was almost certainly silver oxide More likely, but particulate matter. But the important thing still might be: > No use means no wipe :) It's more safe not to add a switch if it isn't used. Finagle's law: 'Anythin

Re: [LAD] [Somewhat OT] Strange failure mode of a PC

2010-07-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-18 at 11:14 +0200, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 10:56:47PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Some lubricant obviously made its way in there, and one would have to > > assume that the switched current was sufficient to cause a microscopic > > arcing, which

Re: [LAD] [Somewhat OT] Strange failure mode of a PC

2010-07-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2010-07-18 at 14:37 +0200, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: > On 07/17/2010 10:46 PM, f...@kokkinizita.net wrote: > > > What I don't understand is how the contacts got so dirty. > > If a resistance of a few kOhm is enough to make it look > > as a closed contact then it can't be handling large cu

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