Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-18 Thread Rui Nuno Capela
On 08/18/2014 10:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Qtractor the fader for synth plugins is pre everything ;), that's bad design, but I guess not the audio stream is controlled, but the synth volume. while on midi tracks, qtractor mixer/track faders simply deals midi channel volume (cc#7) and panning

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-18 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 06:34:25PM -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > I would think ((Gain+54)/64)*7f uses a lot less CPU time than a real > (proper) log. Think 8 fingers (plus thumbs?) fading around 80 steps in a > small time. Remember that this calculation has to be done at both ends too > and the receiv

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2014-08-18 at 11:00 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2014-08-17 at 17:44 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > > On a DAW, we sort of do this already by recording using the fader (and > > audio device gain) for trim and then mixing down using the fader for fine > > tuning. However, as I commented

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2014-08-17 at 17:44 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > On a DAW, we sort of do this already by recording using the fader (and > audio device gain) for trim and then mixing down using the fader for fine > tuning. However, as I commented earlier, sometimes a harsh effect can > introduce the need to

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-18 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2014-08-17 at 08:24 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Sat, 2014-08-16 at 09:45 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > >> A quick thought on fineness of control. It is true that 127 levels > >> tends to "zipper". However, 127 levels is more than enough for static

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-17 Thread Len Ovens
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, Will Godfrey wrote: > On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:15:58 + > Fons Adriaensen wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 08:24:38AM -0700, Len Ovens wrote: >>> So Allen & Heath uses 127 levels on their top end digital control surfaces, How do they do it? Well they have two different scal

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-17 Thread Len Ovens
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, Will Godfrey wrote: On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:15:58 + Fons Adriaensen wrote: On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 08:24:38AM -0700, Len Ovens wrote: So Allen & Heath uses 127 levels on their top end digital control surfaces, How do they do it? Well they have two different scales: -

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-17 Thread Will Godfrey
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 16:15:58 + Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 08:24:38AM -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > > > So Allen & Heath uses 127 levels on their top end digital control > > surfaces, How do they do it? Well they have two different scales: > > - fader: ((Gain+54)/64)*7f - al

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-17 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 08:24:38AM -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > So Allen & Heath uses 127 levels on their top end digital control > surfaces, How do they do it? Well they have two different scales: > - fader: ((Gain+54)/64)*7f - also used for sends > - Gain: ((Gain-10)/55)*7f - this is preamp gain S

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-17 Thread Len Ovens
On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2014-08-16 at 09:45 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: A quick thought on fineness of control. It is true that 127 levels tends to "zipper". However, 127 levels is more than enough for static levels. I disagree. I never heard zipper noise, when I fade in

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-16 Thread Len Ovens
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Paul Davis wrote: On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Len Ovens wrote: I can see that dealing with controller data has some way to go. the problems with controllers come from the almost absurdly varied ways that h/w manufacturers have chosen to use them. Yes, I have

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2014-08-16 at 09:45 -0700, Len Ovens wrote: > A quick thought on fineness of control. It is true that 127 levels > tends to "zipper". However, 127 levels is more than enough for static > levels. I disagree. I never heard zipper noise, when I fade in or out or when using MIDI panning. Usual

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-16 Thread Paul Davis
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Len Ovens wrote: > On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Paul Davis wrote: > > The JACK MIDI API delivers and acccepts normalized MIDI data ONLY. >> >> No running status. No "clever" merging or filtering. Bytes in... bytes >> out. >> > > That makes perfect sense. That way the app

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-16 Thread Len Ovens
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Paul Davis wrote: The JACK MIDI API delivers and acccepts normalized MIDI data ONLY. No running status. No "clever" merging or filtering. Bytes in... bytes out. That makes perfect sense. That way the application designer can expect all MIDI events to be the same way. How

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-16 Thread Paul Davis
The JACK MIDI API delivers and acccepts normalized MIDI data ONLY. No running status. No "clever" merging or filtering. Bytes in... bytes out. ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linu

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-16 Thread Len Ovens
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, Tim E. Real wrote: Pitch bend, which the mackie faders use, is specified in the MIDI standard and in the MCP spec as: Ex yy zz in one event. Correct. Pitch bend is the only truly 14-bit encapsulated message. There is also one more, real time Song Position Pointer (F2, LSB,

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2014-08-16 at 16:09 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 09:30:51AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > All computers do that. Just put a DI-box with ground lift between your > > > audio interface and the speakers and the noise is gone. > > > > > > Dennis > > > > And ge

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-16 Thread Bill Gribble
> On Aug 16, 2014, at 12:09, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > Whether it will reduce interference from MIDI in a sound > card is questionable. MIDI is isolated anyway. If anything > of it leaks into the analog audio path that means the sound > card has a problem. DIN MIDI is isolated, but more and more

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-16 Thread Dennis Schulmeister
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 18:01:12 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > A DI-box with transformers galvanically isolates Absolutely. That's why I said put a DI-box in between. > > Isn't the digital noise audible regarding to electric smog inside the > computer? My experience is that the noise comes from the

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-16 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 09:30:51AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > All computers do that. Just put a DI-box with ground lift between your > > audio interface and the speakers and the noise is gone. > > > > Dennis > > And get someone electrocuted. That doesn't happen on my watch because > they'll

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
A DI-box with transformers galvanically isolates, but I won't discuss ground loops and ground lifts. Isn't the digital noise audible regarding to electric smog inside the computer? Hm? By a short test I couldn't hear the digital noise from an ADA8000 output (but mains hum and/or a ground loop is

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-16 Thread Tracey Hytry
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 09:30:51 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote: > And get someone electrocuted. That doesn't happen on my watch because > they'll never get it plugged in, I would not allow it. There are several > ways to fix a noise inducing ground loop, but a ground lift adapter is not > one of them

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-16 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 16 August 2014 06:49:59 Dennis Schulmeister did opine And Gene did reply: > On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:32:06 +0200 > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > there always is loud > > audible digital noise what ever slot I use. I experience/d the same > > with my TerraTec PCI cards on this machine and wi

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-16 Thread Dennis Schulmeister
On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 11:32:06 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > there always is loud > audible digital noise what ever slot I use. I experience/d the same with > my TerraTec PCI cards on this machine and with my old mobo. All computers do that. Just put a DI-box with ground lift between your audio inte

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-16 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2014-08-16 at 03:00 -0400, Tim E. Real wrote: > One can use the pitch wheel for something other than pitch. > It is per-channel. You can have up to 16 14-bit pitch wheels > (or knobs/sliders/etc), per interface, each routed to whatever you > want. > > You would just have to reserve some

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Ardour MIDI tracer

2014-08-16 Thread Tim E. Real
On August 15, 2014 05:24:51 PM Len Ovens wrote: > On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Len Ovens wrote: > > Is it just me? Has anyone else looked at pitch bend events on the > > Ardour MIDI Tracer? Quick test: > > > > ===