Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-18 Thread Uwaysi Bin Kareem
--- Forwarded message --- From: Uwaysi Bin Kareem uwaysi.bin.kar...@paradoxuncreated.com To: Adrian Knoth a...@drcomp.erfurt.thur.de Cc: Subject: Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward? Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 10:06:45 +0200 On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:58:33 +0200

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-17 Thread Uwaysi Bin Kareem
On Sat, 13 Oct 2012 13:16:01 +0200, Jonathan Woithe jwoi...@just42.net wrote: Hi Adrian The RME UCX and UFX devices are currently not supported by FFADO. Adding Though the UCX is not supported by FFADO, it is supported by ALSA if the device is set to USB 2.0 class compliant mode.

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-17 Thread Adrian Knoth
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 05:07:20PM +0200, Uwaysi Bin Kareem wrote: http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?p=2268 The site mentions: --- quote --- sudo schedtool -p 98 -n -20 -F `pgrep X` --- end quote --- Setting the X-server to FIFO/98 is just plain wrong, at least on an audio

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-13 Thread Adrian Knoth
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 04:12:37PM +1030, Jonathan Woithe wrote: Hi! Over the next few years I expect thunderbolt interfaces to come to the fore And even if not, one could still use an ordinary PCIe interface in a thunderbolt-to-PCIe enclosure. The RME UCX and UFX devices are currently not

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-13 Thread Jonathan Woithe
Hi Adrian The RME UCX and UFX devices are currently not supported by FFADO. Adding Though the UCX is not supported by FFADO, it is supported by ALSA if the device is set to USB 2.0 class compliant mode. That's neat. Has someone tested and verified this (on the RME site it simply says

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-13 Thread Clemens Ladisch
Jonathan Woithe wrote: Though the UCX is not supported by FFADO, it is supported by ALSA if the device is set to USB 2.0 class compliant mode. That's neat. Has someone tested and verified this (on the RME site it simply says that Linux should theoretically work)? Well, the difference

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-12 Thread Nils Gey
So, now that this thread shifted into a hardware/driver discussion and the flood of answers has stopped: Have we learned anything from it? For my part the conclusion is make more music make it public make other people want to use the same tools as you Nils

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-12 Thread harryhaaren
On , Nils Gey l...@nilsgey.de wrote: For my part the conclusion is make more music make it public make other people want to use the same tools as you Sounds fair enough, I bumped into this guys soundcloud yesterday: http://soundcloud.com/macrowave Talking about music that will make

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-12 Thread David Olofson
On Friday 12 October 2012, at 10.27.39, Nils Gey l...@nilsgey.de wrote: [...] make more music make it public make other people want to use the same tools as you [...] On that note, some stuff I've done for one of my current projects, Kobo II; chip themed music and sound effects:

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-12 Thread Nils Gey
On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 17:19:18 +0200 David Olofson da...@olofson.net wrote: On Friday 12 October 2012, at 10.27.39, Nils Gey l...@nilsgey.de wrote: [...] make more music make it public make other people want to use the same tools as you [...] On that note, some stuff I've done for one

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-12 Thread David Olofson
On Friday 12 October 2012, at 17.41.38, Nils Gey l...@nilsgey.de wrote: [...] make more music make it public make other people want to use the same tools as you [...] On that note, some stuff I've done for one of my current projects, Kobo II; chip themed music and sound effects:

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-12 Thread Jonathan Woithe
Hi Drew [ Note: due to the way the LAD mailing list mail server and my mail account interacts, this reply is unlikely to make it to the list. Feel free to forward it to the list if that's the case. ] Let's say I want at least 24 ins. What do I get? I assume you're referring to 24 analog ins.

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-11 Thread Adrian Knoth
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:01:23PM -0400, drew Roberts wrote: [24 I/Os] Are there cards that are just in essence adat I/O cards (I am ignorant enough here not to know the correct term for what I am asking) that can handle 3(+) adat lightpipe connections? Yep. RME RayDAT. Exactly what I

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-11 Thread John Rigg
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:01:23PM -0400, drew Roberts wrote: Let's say I want at least 24 ins. What do I get? Where can I find a HOWTO on my options? Here's a HOWTO on using multiple Delta 1010s (which can also be adapted for other cards): http://www.jrigg.co.uk/linuxaudio/ice1712multi.html

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-11 Thread drew Roberts
On Thursday 11 October 2012 07:42:22 John Rigg wrote: First, thanks Adrian for the RayDay mention, and thanks John for this info. On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:01:23PM -0400, drew Roberts wrote: Let's say I want at least 24 ins. What do I get? Where can I find a HOWTO on my options? Here's

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-11 Thread Florian Faber
On 10/11/12 13:42, John Rigg wrote: Another cheap option is a used RME HDSP9652 (also still being made) with 3xADAT I/O. The PCIe alternative is the HDSPe RayDAT mentioned elsewhere in this thread. Going up the price scale there are RME MADI cards, both PCI and PCIe versions. I used an RME

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-11 Thread Louigi Verona
Speaking of hardware drivers, long time ago I wrote this article on E-MU 0404 USB: http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projectss=writingst=linuxa=linux_emu0404usb For a long time it was my mostly read article. Some people theorized that it is possible to make the soundcard working, but my tests have

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-11 Thread Dominique Michel
Le Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:48:50 +0100, Harry van Haaren harryhaa...@gmail.com a écrit : Replying to nobody in particular but perhaps bringing some new things to the table: I feel there's a lot going on just-under-the-surface of what most of us know about. I presume not everybody here is aware

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-11 Thread John Rigg
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 05:31:19PM +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: Speaking of hardware drivers, long time ago I wrote this article on E-MU 0404 USB: http://www.louigiverona.ru/?page=projectss=writingst=linuxa=linux_emu0404usb For a long time it was my mostly read article. Some people theorized

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-11 Thread Louigi Verona
Sure, John. I did not try to organize this. It might be possible, of course, in theory. And maybe it is one of the solutions - to have a place (possibly like kickstarter) where we can organize driver jobs. I don't know how realistic this is though, but could be worth a try. On Thu, Oct 11, 2012

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Louigi Verona
Hey Dan! Saving projects is only tricky if you use the modular approach versus instrument plugins hence this isn't really a problem for A3 and qtractor. True, but since there are very few plugins, most power of Linux Audio today is not in its plugin collection ;) On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:09

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 6:09 AM, Dan MacDonald allc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi LV! Nice and interesting write up of your experiences and opinions there. I agree with most all of it except: Saving projects is still a huge problem. In addition to LADISH we do now have NSM, the Non-Session

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Louigi Verona
Hello Ben! I'd like to answer your question: Is OSX/Win Audio moving _backward_? In the most general sense my answer would be a no. It is like being in a process of building a house and looking at your neighbour who has already built a house and saying - hm, his building process seems to be

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 10 October 2012 14:21:11 Patrick Shirkey did opine: On Wed, October 10, 2012 11:33 pm, Ben Loftis wrote: I'd pose a different question: Is OSX/Win Audio moving _backward_? If OSX continues to move towards iOS, and Win continues to move towards Metro, and Thunderbolt

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:04 PM, J. Liles malnour...@gmail.com wrote: [ ... ] but that's understandable considering that most Linux Audio programs are maintained by single developers (with lots of other projects) or small groups. [ ... ] My personal frustration with Linux Audio is

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On Thu, October 11, 2012 5:41 am, Dan MacDonald wrote: Patrick wrote: Looking at the recent trade shows it seems that Linux/Unix is the already the hardware standard. I didn't spot hardware running on Apple or M$ OS's but plenty of Linux and Unix platforms. Which trade show was this?

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On Thu, October 11, 2012 6:52 am, Louigi Verona wrote: @Folderol: While it is nice to have lots of different apps, plugins, whatever, I think you find most musicians quickly settle on a very small range which they get to know extremely well. This is true. However, before you settle, you

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Louigi Verona
@Patrick: The problem with that approach is that it tends to feed the negative attitude towards Linux and that is exactly what the competition want. There is no competition, Patrick. Windows Audio does not compete with Linux Audio. Only if in our minds. And thus they do not want anything. There

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On Thu, October 11, 2012 7:25 am, Louigi Verona wrote: @Patrick: The problem with that approach is that it tends to feed the negative attitude towards Linux and that is exactly what the competition want. There is no competition, Patrick. Windows Audio does not compete with Linux Audio.

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Louigi Verona
I'm not talking about Linux Multimedia for amateur users or even necessarily for artists/producers. I'm talking about businesses that use Linux as their revenue generating platform. Fair enough. I have no idea about businesses. Don't you mean that because insert favorite application/plugin is

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Harry van Haaren
Replying to nobody in particular but perhaps bringing some new things to the table: I feel there's a lot going on just-under-the-surface of what most of us know about. I presume not everybody here is aware of the advances FAUST has recently made in DomainSpecificLanguage technology. Similary I'm

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:48 AM, Harry van Haaren wrote: The other things I feel is necessary is to bundle the community together: We need to agree on one place to post information: a central hub for linux-audio. Amen to that :) P.S. Oh, and I do owe you a private reply on a relevant topic.

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On Thu, October 11, 2012 10:00 am, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 10/10/2012 11:00 PM, Patrick Shirkey wrote: On Thu, October 11, 2012 7:25 am, Louigi Verona wrote: @Patrick: The problem with that approach is that it tends to feed the negative attitude towards Linux and that is exactly what

Re: [LAD] [LAU] Linux Audio 2012: Is Linux Audio moving forward?

2012-10-10 Thread drew Roberts
On Wednesday 10 October 2012 19:00:42 Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: the only time it hurts is when i cannot get hardware support for gear that i need. but these days, i can get linux drivers for everything from 2 to 128 channels of i/o (more if i'm prepared to gang cards), so what's the problem?