Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-09-01 Thread Emanuel Rumpf
2012/8/31 Harry van Haaren harryhaa...@gmail.com: The community could approach NI and ask if they're intrested in supporting a Linux version of Kontact? 1. they won't 2. if they do, kontakt still won't be open source 3. if linuxsampler would support the kontakt format, the format would

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-09-01 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 4:34 PM, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: 3. if linuxsampler would support the kontakt format, the format would change (this already happend in kontakt 4.1) And this observation is based on what exactly? conclusion: 1. don't use the kontakt sampler (or other proprietary sw) And

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-09-01 Thread Nils
Please note that the following may sound very sarcastic, but actually it is not (except the part about my bank account). I expect this type of work that needs to be done to develop and create a modern, state-of-the art sample lib like Orchestral Strings or a Choir incl. wordbuilder from 'scratch',

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-09-01 Thread Emanuel Rumpf
2012/8/31 John Rigg la...@jrigg.co.uk: Thanks for taking the initiative on this. The lack of high quality samples usable on a Linux system has been quite a problem. What, more closely, is a high quality sample (today) ? Is it very different, from what it was ten years ago ? If yes, why did

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-09-01 Thread John Rigg
On Sat, Sep 01, 2012 at 03:39:27PM +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote: 2012/8/31 John Rigg: Thanks for taking the initiative on this. The lack of high quality samples usable on a Linux system has been quite a problem. What, more closely, is a high quality sample (today) ? Is it very

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-09-01 Thread Florian Schirmer
Hi Emanuel, On 01.09.2012, at 15:39, Emanuel Rumpf xb...@web.de wrote: 2012/8/31 John Rigg la...@jrigg.co.uk: Thanks for taking the initiative on this. The lack of high quality samples usable on a Linux system has been quite a problem. What, more closely, is a high quality sample

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-09-01 Thread Florian Schirmer
Hi Patrick, well put, i think this pretty much reflects the current situation. I'm definitely open to discuss with the community what potential the linux market might have. Once you have your stuff together please get in touch with me. Best, Florian On 01.09.2012, at 03:56, Patrick

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-09-01 Thread Florian Schirmer
Hi Harry, i'm curious, what exactly would be the linux version of Kontakt? Kontakt VST for Linux? Standalone? DSSI? LV2? What is necessary to cover 95% of the users? Thanks, Florian On 31.08.2012, at 15:43, Harry van Haaren harryhaa...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:03 PM,

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24) - Once again free samples, this time more uplifting

2012-09-01 Thread Florian Schirmer
Hi Nils, On 31.08.2012, at 02:06, Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote: Sadly many of those instruments are in .nki or .nk* format which is the Kontakt Player or Kontakt Something Fullversion format. The wave samples are (often? by design?) there as plain files, but it is hard work to guess how

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-09-01 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
Florian, Standalone JACK client would work pretty much everywhere (the 95% you mentioned), but workflow-wise a native VST would (arguably) be preferable. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 1:44 AM, Florian Schirmer florian.schir...@native-instruments.de

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24) - Once again free samples, this time more uplifting

2012-09-01 Thread Nils
On Sun, 2 Sep 2012 00:13:37 +0200 Florian Schirmer florian.schir...@native-instruments.de wrote: Besides the technical problem there is also a legal problem involved here. To protect the IP of sample developers the instruments sold by 3rd party developers are encrypted. My guess would be

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24) - Once again free samples, this time more uplifting

2012-09-01 Thread Devin Anderson
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Florian Schirmer florian.schir...@native-instruments.de wrote: Is there someone who knows more about these formats? Even if it is not possible to write a sampler engine (it would not be the first [partly]binary, closed format loaded by open source software)

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-09-01 Thread Brett McCoy
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Florian Schirmer florian.schir...@native-instruments.de wrote: Sure, just let me know what kind of issue there are. As Paul already mentioned there is also native Jack support in all NI apps. Since Jack is not very common in the Windows world it is probably

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-09-01 Thread Harry van Haaren
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Emanuel Rumpf xb...@web.de wrote: conclusion: 1. don't use the kontakt sampler (or other proprietary sw) 2. don't buy kontakt samples 3. support free, libre sample libraries 4. create free, libre sample libraries this appears as the most effective stategie

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-09-01 Thread Harry van Haaren
Hi Florian, Thanks for taking the time to contribute to the conversation. I'm agreement with Alexandre Prokudine, a standalone JACK application for 32 bit and 64bit would cover 95% of the target audience. Perhaps it would not afford entirely to my intended workflow with Kontact (namely using as

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-09-01 Thread Brett McCoy
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: Standalone JACK client would work pretty much everywhere (the 95% you mentioned), but workflow-wise a native VST would (arguably) be preferable. As long as multiple instances can be run, a standalone

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-09-01 Thread Nils
Am Sat, 1 Sep 2012 23:44:38 +0200 schrieb Florian Schirmer florian.schir...@native-instruments.de: Hi Harry, i'm curious, what exactly would be the linux version of Kontakt? Kontakt VST for Linux? Standalone? DSSI? LV2? What is necessary to cover 95% of the users? Thanks, Florian

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-08-31 Thread John Rigg
Thanks for taking the initiative on this. The lack of high quality samples usable on a Linux system has been quite a problem. John ___ Linux-audio-dev mailing list Linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-dev

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-08-31 Thread Paul Davis
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:12 AM, John Rigg la...@jrigg.co.uk wrote: Thanks for taking the initiative on this. The lack of high quality samples usable on a Linux system has been quite a problem. this is subtle, but i'd like to point out that the problem is actually slightly more specific than

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-08-31 Thread Nils
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 07:58:07 -0400 Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:12 AM, John Rigg la...@jrigg.co.uk wrote: Thanks for taking the initiative on this. The lack of high quality samples usable on a Linux system has been quite a problem. this is

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-08-31 Thread Harry van Haaren
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote: The direct and naive solution would be a reversed engineered kontakt sample engine, yes. Very naive. The community could approach NI and ask if they're intrested in supporting a Linux version of Kontact? I volunteer to write the

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-08-31 Thread Brett McCoy
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Harry van Haaren harryhaa...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote: The direct and naive solution would be a reversed engineered kontakt sample engine, yes. Very naive. The community could approach NI and ask if

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-08-31 Thread Julien Claassen
Hello Harry! Yes, I am pretty sure, that it had been done before. But I can't remember when exactly. I suppose it's always wrth a trial. You will never know, if you don't say a word. Perhaps we could get together sort of a friendly petition or at laest a list of interested parties and attach

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-08-31 Thread Joakim Hernberg
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:43:13 +0100 Harry van Haaren harryhaa...@gmail.com wrote: The community could approach NI and ask if they're intrested in supporting a Linux version of Kontact? I volunteer to write the email, and if they laugh then what harm done... The community could also ask them

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-08-31 Thread Nils
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:43:13 +0100 Harry van Haaren harryhaa...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Nils l...@nilsgey.de wrote: The direct and naive solution would be a reversed engineered kontakt sample engine, yes. Very naive. The community could approach NI and ask

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-08-31 Thread rosea.grammostola
On 08/31/2012 04:56 PM, Nils wrote: On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:43:13 +0100 Harry van Haarenharryhaa...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Nilsl...@nilsgey.de wrote: The direct and naive solution would be a reversed engineered kontakt sample engine, yes. Very naive. The

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-08-31 Thread Paul Davis
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 10:59 AM, rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/31/2012 04:56 PM, Nils wrote: On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:43:13 +0100 Harry van Haarenharryhaa...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Nilsl...@nilsgey.de wrote: The direct and naive

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-08-31 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Paul Davis wrote: NI already have inhouse versions of many of their software tools for Linux, and they use it in house for some development. I met with them in person several years ago when I was teaching in Berlin. They are quite big technical fans of JACK

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-08-31 Thread Harry van Haaren
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.comwrote: A lot of people (even on this list) don't understand the extent to which *supporting* a piece of software is often a far bigger cost than the initial development, and providing support for a platform with very few

Re: [LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24)

2012-08-31 Thread Patrick Shirkey
On Sat, September 1, 2012 3:12 am, Harry van Haaren wrote: On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.comwrote: A lot of people (even on this list) don't understand the extent to which *supporting* a piece of software is often a far bigger cost than the initial

[LAD] Kontakt sampler format (and others like EXS24) - Once again free samples, this time more uplifting

2012-08-30 Thread Nils
Hello lists, (if you are note exited by freeing sampled instruments but only by the technical aspect skip to the line But back to the topic:) I am doing a research and mail marathon right now. Again I am searching for more or less open source and free samples but this time I decided to browse