Apart from the Qtractor scenario (which seems not to be an impossible
hurdle to take), there is one question left for me and that is:
*Is it needed to remove JackSession support, in order to add NSM support?*
I don't expect this to be true, but afaik JackSession is disabled in the
NSM Yoshimi
Am 28.03.2012 um 14:24 schrieb Emanuel Rumpf xb...@web.de:
Am 28. März 2012 05:46 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 03:27 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
This allowed the SM to:
- tell the user if a certain file is part of any session
registered at the SM
Why
On Fri, 2012-03-30 at 16:47 +0200, Burkhard Wölfel wrote:
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 03:27 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
[...]
- deleting - I would like to know, if I'm allowed to delete a
certain file, thus
it's important to know if it is still used by any session
- destruction - I'm
On 03/24/2012 11:09 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
3. Clearly defining the way an app should behave w.r.t. its
File menu entries (when managed). This is quite intrusive
to existing clients, but it is IMHO absolutley essential.
Kudos to the designer(s) for the having the courage to do
my 2 cents from user perspective: I know where I save my files, I know
where my sample collections are. i know that if i delete my sample
collection, sessions won't load. i don't need any program to tell me
that.
in fact, in using FL Studio or Cubase or LMMS you have the same
situation. a project
2012/3/29 Louigi Verona louigi.ver...@gmail.com
my 2 cents from user perspective: I know where I save my files, I know
where my sample collections are. i know that if i delete my sample
collection, sessions won't load. i don't need any program to tell me
that.
in fact, in using FL Studio or
On 03/29/2012 12:02 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:
my 2 cents from user perspective: I know where I save my files, I know
where my sample collections are. i know that if i delete my sample
collection, sessions won't load. i don't need any program to tell me
that.
in fact, in using FL Studio or Cubase
On 03/29/2012 12:29 PM, thijs van severen wrote:
2012/3/29 Louigi Verona louigi.ver...@gmail.com
mailto:louigi.ver...@gmail.com
my 2 cents from user perspective: I know where I save my files, I know
where my sample collections are. i know that if i delete my sample
collection,
On 03/29/2012 11:41 AM, rosea.grammostola wrote:
On 03/29/2012 12:02 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:
my 2 cents from user perspective: I know where I save my files, I know
where my sample collections are. i know that if i delete my sample
collection, sessions won't load. i don't need any program to
2012/3/29 rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com
On 03/29/2012 12:29 PM, thijs van severen wrote:
2012/3/29 Louigi Verona louigi.ver...@gmail.com
mailto:louigi.verona@gmail.**com louigi.ver...@gmail.com
my 2 cents from user perspective: I know where I save my files, I know
On 03/29/2012 01:16 PM, thijs van severen wrote:
2012/3/29 rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com
mailto:rosea.grammost...@gmail.com
On 03/29/2012 12:29 PM, thijs van severen wrote:
2012/3/29 Louigi Verona louigi.ver...@gmail.com
mailto:louigi.ver...@gmail.com
2012/3/29 rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com
On 03/29/2012 01:16 PM, thijs van severen wrote:
2012/3/29 rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com
mailto:rosea.grammostola@**gmail.com rosea.grammost...@gmail.com
On 03/29/2012 12:29 PM, thijs van severen wrote:
On 03/29/2012 01:25 PM, thijs van severen wrote:
2012/3/29 rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com
mailto:rosea.grammost...@gmail.com
On 03/29/2012 01:16 PM, thijs van severen wrote:
2012/3/29 rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com
Am 29. März 2012 10:24 schrieb rosea.grammostola
How easy or how difficult is it compared to JackSession for example, to add
NSM support to an application?
NSM is not more difficult.
Look at the yoshimi patch:
Include a class, add some handlers, set some options, that's it.
You have to know
Am 28. März 2012 20:53 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
It's sooo complicated because it forces everything involved to use a
special file finding and/or loading interface.
wrong - apps only tell the SM about files used externally - that's all.
It also requires that central store to
Am 29. März 2012 13:16 schrieb thijs van severen
IMHO making such a matrix is the only good way to
make a decisions of any kind
I disagree here: Session managers have different concepts.
A simple matrix doesn't do it (show it).
IMHO user _experience_ is most important.
1. is it stable and
On 03/29/2012 04:22 PM, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
Am 29. März 2012 13:16 schrieb thijs van severen
IMHO making such a matrix is the only good way to
make a decisions of any kind
I disagree here: Session managers have different concepts.
A simple matrix doesn't do it (show it).
IMHO user
On Thu, 2012-03-29 at 15:29 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
Am 28. März 2012 20:53 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
It's sooo complicated because it forces everything involved to use a
special file finding and/or loading interface.
wrong - apps only tell the SM about files used
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 07:41:27PM +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 05:15:09PM -0700, J. Liles wrote:
Fons, I'd like to hear more about this use case. Currently one of the
strong points of NSM is that applications with heavy state (e.g. large
audio files) know
Am 28. März 2012 05:42 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 14:24 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
I am having a hard time imagining anything *less* likely to be adopted
than trying to cram a *database* down everyone's throats to save some
files! ;)
With database here,
Am 28. März 2012 05:46 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 03:27 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
A second scenario
The simple one (simple for the SM, not for the apps):
- applications decide themself how to handle large-files
- but still tell the SM about all files
Am 28. März 2012 05:46 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 03:27 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
This allowed the SM to:
- tell the user if a certain file is part of any session registered at the SM
Why would the user care?
(Lets assume I haven't use a certain
2012/3/28 Emanuel Rumpf xb...@web.de
Am 28. März 2012 05:46 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 03:27 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
This allowed the SM to:
- tell the user if a certain file is part of any session registered at
the SM
Why would the user
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:35:26 +0200
thijs van severen thijsvanseve...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/3/28 Emanuel Rumpf xb...@web.de
Am 28. März 2012 05:46 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 03:27 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
This allowed the SM to:
- tell the
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 14:11 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
Am 28. März 2012 05:42 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 14:24 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
I am having a hard time imagining anything *less* likely to be adopted
than trying to cram a *database* down
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 18:31 +0200, Renato wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:35:26 +0200
thijs van severen thijsvanseve...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/3/28 Emanuel Rumpf xb...@web.de
Am 28. März 2012 05:46 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 03:27 +0200, Emanuel
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 20:00 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
Am 28. März 2012 19:33 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 18:31 +0200, Renato wrote:
On Wed, 28 Mar 2012 15:35:26 +0200
The mentioned functionality does not depend on a centralized file store.
That's
On 03/26/2012 10:47 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote:
On 03/26/2012 10:32 PM, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
I've been able now to launch the NON session-manager.
- by writing an own simple build-script.
( is my system borked ? or just cmake ?)
cmake, iirc it's just ./configure, make, make install
I have
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:26:16AM +0200, Lieven Moors wrote:
So the shared data would not be read-only after all...
It is read-only to all the sessions in which it is
used for mixdown into some format. It is evidently
not read-only to the session that created that data.
Isn't this a little
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:25 AM, rosea.grammostola
rosea.grammost...@gmail.com wrote:
I am able to save Ardour sessions and share it with my friends. They are able
to use them (if Ardour and the right plugins are installed). How is this
possible with NSM?
Pretty much the same way you do
On 03/28/2012 10:43 PM, J. Liles wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:25 AM, rosea.grammostola
rosea.grammost...@gmail.com wrote:
I am able to save Ardour sessions and share it with my friends. They are able
to use them (if Ardour and the right plugins are installed). How is this
possible
On 03/28/2012 10:20 PM, rosea.grammostola wrote:
On 03/28/2012 10:43 PM, J. Liles wrote:
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 11:25 AM, rosea.grammostola
rosea.grammost...@gmail.com wrote:
I am able to save Ardour sessions and share it with my friends. They
are able to use them (if Ardour and the right
Am 27. März 2012 03:23 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
... What you end up with is a few directories
with specific roles.
...
...
Figuring this all out was a long process of trial and error, but now
that I write it down it seems clear it can't be simplified without
failing to
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 05:15:09PM -0700, J. Liles wrote:
Fons, I'd like to hear more about this use case. Currently one of the
strong points of NSM is that applications with heavy state (e.g. large
audio files) know *exactly* where to put the state at the time they join
the session. This
Am 27. März 2012 21:41 schrieb Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org:
...
Nor would I want the the shared data to be duplicated
In my scenario, this would match EXTERNAL_REF
It would only be copied to Lfiles directory, if modified.
Obviously there are cases, where this is not desirable
and
A second scenario
The simple one (simple for the SM, not for the apps):
- applications decide themself how to handle large-files
- but still tell the SM about all files currently used, when the
session is saved
This allowed the SM to:
- tell the user if a certain file is part of any session
On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 14:24 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
Am 27. März 2012 03:23 schrieb David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
... What you end up with is a few directories
with specific roles.
...
...
Figuring this all out was a long process of trial and error, but now
that I write
On Wed, 2012-03-28 at 03:27 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
A second scenario
The simple one (simple for the SM, not for the apps):
- applications decide themself how to handle large-files
- but still tell the SM about all files currently used, when the
session is saved
Files are files.
On 03/24/2012 11:09 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 04:19:03PM +0100, rosea.grammostola wrote:
More devs with an opinion? Fons, Torben, Paul, Emanual, ... ?
I haven't used it so far (that is just a matter of limited
time and priorities). But on reading the available docs
Hey!
I would like to ask. I did see a demonstration and it looks really nice.
However, am I right in understanding that currently only several apps are
really supported? And if this is true - is there an option of adding
support for more apps?
--
Louigi Verona
http://www.louigiverona.ru/
On 03/26/2012 05:51 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:
Hey!
I would like to ask. I did see a demonstration and it looks really nice.
However, am I right in understanding that currently only several apps
are really supported? And if this is true - is there an option of adding
support for more apps?
The
more easy to add apps without session support into the session
How is that done?
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 7:15 PM, rosea.grammostola
rosea.grammost...@gmail.com wrote:
On 03/26/2012 05:51 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:
Hey!
I would like to ask. I did see a demonstration and it looks really nice.
On 03/26/2012 06:21 PM, Louigi Verona wrote:
more easy to add apps without session support into the session
How is that done?
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 7:15 PM, rosea.grammostola
rosea.grammost...@gmail.com mailto:rosea.grammost...@gmail.com wrote:
On 03/26/2012 05:51 PM, Louigi Verona
Am 26. März 2012 17:15 schrieb rosea.grammostola
yoshimi (NSM patch available).
Where to find the NSM patch for yoshimi ?
--
E.R.
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On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Emanuel Rumpf xb...@web.de wrote:
Am 26. März 2012 17:15 schrieb rosea.grammostola
yoshimi (NSM patch available).
Where to find the NSM patch for yoshimi ?
http://non.tuxfamily.org/nsm/yoshimi-nsm.patch
___
Hi Rosea, can you elaborate how do you use arguments with clients using
exec?
Can you post here an example with yoshimi just to name an application
supported in NSM?
is there any document where to read more about NSM other than
http://non.tuxfamily.org/nsm/ ?
Thanks for your help.
Diego
I've been able now to launch the NON session-manager.
- by writing an own simple build-script.
( is my system borked ? or just cmake ?)
I have to say, I'm counting me as a fan of J. Liles Software.
Somehow I agree with his style,
I would described as unbloated, but still pragmatic and effective.
Am 26. März 2012 22:17 schrieb Diego Simak diego.si...@gmail.com:
is there any document where to read more about NSM other than
http://non.tuxfamily.org/nsm/ ?
There is
http://non.tuxfamily.org/nsm/API.html
In the source package, there is some documentation too !
Finally there is always the
Thank you, I will try to bite the source code ;-)
I want to say that I was trying NSM yesterday and I'm very impressed by
it's simplicity and (a no minor point) it's desing from the graphical point
of view.
I want to say that I'm very impressed by the thoroughness of the documentation,
something
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:32:38PM +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
- where would audio apps store large (audio) files ? a custom path ?
That is something that needs to be looked at.
In my use cases it is very common for several projects to use
the same recorded tracks, and that could be a few
On 03/26/2012 10:32 PM, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
I've been able now to launch the NON session-manager.
- by writing an own simple build-script.
( is my system borked ? or just cmake ?)
cmake, iirc it's just ./configure, make, make install
I have to say, I'm counting me as a fan of J. Liles
On Mon, 2012-03-26 at 21:40 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
[...]
An app can always cheat the SM. Even if the SM forbids symbolic
links in a session directory
Which would be an extremely terrible idea, because...
it would be better if the SM were aware of the existence
of such data
... it is
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.orgwrote:
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:32:38PM +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
- where would audio apps store large (audio) files ? a custom path ?
That is something that needs to be looked at.
In my use cases it is very common
On Tue, 2012-03-27 at 01:04 +0200, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
I'm trying to figure out different use cases:
- an app loads an audio file (reference to orig file)
---possibility: file moves - ref. has to be adjusted
- the app is non-destructive, for changes, a copy is produced (where?)
- the
On March 22, 2012 4:42:55 PM rosea.grammostola wrote:
On 03/22/2012 02:52 PM, Harry van Haaren wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:33 PM, rosea.grammostola
rosea.grammost...@gmail.com mailto:rosea.grammost...@gmail.com wrote:
JackSession seems to be an option
JackSession is merged
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 03:35:15AM -0400, Tim E. Real wrote:
Our MusE allows running without Jack, using a dummy audio driver and
ALSA for midi. Some folks run it that way.
For me, _not_ depending on Jack and _not_ trying to manage Jack
itself (except for making connections between managed
On 03/22/2012 04:10 PM, David Robillard wrote:
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 11:55 +0100, rosea.grammostola wrote:
Hi,
I wonder what the LAD community thinks about Non Session Manager
http://non.tuxfamily.org/nsm/API.html
http://non.tuxfamily.org/nsm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui-gC_ZMeGM
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 04:19:03PM +0100, rosea.grammostola wrote:
More devs with an opinion? Fons, Torben, Paul, Emanual, ... ?
I haven't used it so far (that is just a matter of limited
time and priorities). But on reading the available docs my
first impression is that there is some serious
On 03/22/2012 12:59 PM, thijs van severen wrote:
2012/3/22 rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com
mailto:rosea.grammost...@gmail.com
Hi,
I wonder what the LAD community thinks about Non Session Manager
http://non.tuxfamily.org/nsm/__API.html
2012/3/22 rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com
On 03/22/2012 12:59 PM, thijs van severen wrote:
2012/3/22 rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com
mailto:rosea.grammostola@**gmail.com rosea.grammost...@gmail.com
Hi,
I wonder what the LAD community thinks about Non
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:33 PM, rosea.grammostola
rosea.grammost...@gmail.com wrote:
JackSession seems to be an option
JackSession is merged in JACK. No external dependencies, if all other
session management systems would integrate with it, then the problem would
be solved. I appreciate
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 12:59 +0100, thijs van severen wrote:
[...]
i know that there are some LV2 wrapper projects, and i wonder if it is
possible to use these for 'any' app, or does that just move the
problem to the communication between the wrapper and the app?
I am not sure what you are
On Thu, 2012-03-22 at 11:55 +0100, rosea.grammostola wrote:
Hi,
I wonder what the LAD community thinks about Non Session Manager
http://non.tuxfamily.org/nsm/API.html
http://non.tuxfamily.org/nsm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui-gC_ZMeGM
http://youtu.be/xzspJXbEoc0
From a user POV
On 03/22/2012 02:52 PM, Harry van Haaren wrote:
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 12:33 PM, rosea.grammostola
rosea.grammost...@gmail.com mailto:rosea.grammost...@gmail.com wrote:
JackSession seems to be an option
JackSession is merged in JACK. No external dependencies, if all other
session
Am 22. März 2012 11:55 schrieb rosea.grammostola rosea.grammost...@gmail.com:
I wonder what the LAD community thinks about Non Session Manager
I would like to try it, but I can't build the DAW and NSM .
It doesn't link and causes lots of undefined reference messages.
Is the build script
On 03/22/2012 05:52 PM, Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
Am 22. März 2012 11:55 schrieb rosea.grammostolarosea.grammost...@gmail.com:
I wonder what the LAD community thinks about Non Session Manager
I would like to try it, but I can't build the DAW and NSM .
It doesn't link and causes lots of
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