From: d...@drobilla.net
P.S. Tell us some more about good UI, nickycopeland at *hotmail* (LOL)
Dave, was that a joke or are you just rhetorically answering your own questions?
This is a browser interface. I agree with you, it stinks. All these little grey
javaboxes
do at least let me read
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
* Why is the dream of having a stable and universally available
browser/JS environment any more realistic than the failed Java
one ? What makes you (I don't mean PS personally) so sure it
won't fail in the same way ?
All big software
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 3:33 AM, David Robillard wrote:
Ah, is that all we need? I never realised it was so simple. Can I have them
in some dull, boring grey colour with sad square boxes? You know, something
that really inspires and that will convince every iPad user that their
ubercool
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 03:33:16PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
Every time a developer uses a text entry widget next to a slider for
entering precise value, god kills a kitten. Which means that half of
linux audio developers are in charge for the kitten genocide :)
$GOD should kill the
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
For darktable we examined the slider from phat and created a similar
new, more usable widget which combines a label and a slider. You can
enter precise value after a right click inside the slider area, and
you can use pretty much
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 05:59:40PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
For darktable we examined the slider from phat and created a similar
new, more usable widget which combines a label and a slider. You can
enter precise value after
Not a real solution. You now have a value that is not represented
by a slider position. Touching the slider will destroy it with no
way to return to it except by typing the value again.
If you use both slider and direct entry methods, you are aware of the
different behaviour.
If you are aware
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 09:55:31AM -0500, Egor Sanin wrote:
If you are aware of the different behaviour, and still use the slider,
you want to change the current value.
I may want to explore the effect of a change and return to the
original value.
If you don't want to change the current
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.org wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 09:55:31AM -0500, Egor Sanin wrote:
If you are aware of the different behaviour, and still use the slider,
you want to change the current value.
I may want to explore the effect of a change
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:14:46AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
If you don't want to change the current value, don't touch the slider.
Very easily done accidentally in a dense layout.
its not clear to me how any GUI controller that responds to mouse
motion can be immune to this issue.
On Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:06:43 AM Fons Adriaensen did opine:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 09:55:31AM -0500, Egor Sanin wrote:
If you are aware of the different behaviour, and still use the slider,
you want to change the current value.
I may want to explore the effect of a change and
From: f...@linuxaudio.org
To: linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org
Subject: Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 05:59:40PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
For darktable we
Which toolkit is this?
See above:
The code is here:
http://darktable.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=darktable/darktable;a=tree;f=src/
dtgtk
Having the graphical position of the slider/pot
define its value sounds a little broken.
I may be missing something here. The purpose of a
This is sent with apologies to Fons who now has about 50,000 copies of the
same submit grace of hotmail (great web interface).
From: f...@linuxaudio.org
To: nickycopel...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 06:05:51PM +0100
be honest: the graphical display is output, not input.
Yes, certainly, but
If you are using a toolkit that has a data flow of the following:
pointer motion-graphical display-values-application-output
Well, basically that is broken as you have a flow that is
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 02:40:11AM +0100, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Stability of a functioning build environment does have it's merits.
Sure. But I don't see it happen - ever. Because it essentially
means to stop innovation. Building 'the perfect world' once and
for all has been a dream during
David,
With the greatest respect to you, and I have a lot of sympathy with
your ideas of GUI's using browser / JS technology, your comments on
Java are bordering on FUD. I also don't understand the general
anti-Java diatribe - it's a library, and it has its uses - why treat
it as somehow
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 10:26 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 02:40:11AM +0100, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
Stability of a functioning build environment does have it's merits.
Sure. But I don't see it happen - ever. Because it essentially
means to stop innovation.
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 10:36 +, Neil C Smith wrote:
David,
With the greatest respect to you, and I have a lot of sympathy with
your ideas of GUI's using browser / JS technology, your comments on
Java are bordering on FUD. I also don't understand the general
anti-Java diatribe - it's a
: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 13:40:36
To: Neil C Smithn...@neilcsmith.net
Cc: linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org
Subject: Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 10:36 +, Neil C Smith wrote:
David,
With the greatest respect to you, and I have a lot of sympathy
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 18:59 +, ja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
I'm no gamer but even I know games can be have been written in java.
Minecraft springs to mind. A very interesting 3d block game.
The one famous for having almost artistically primitive graphics?
Funny, that :)
Don't get me wrong, I
From: d...@drobilla.net
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 18:59 +, ja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
I'm no gamer but even I know games can be have been written in java.
Minecraft springs to mind. A very interesting 3d block game.
The one famous for having almost artistically primitive graphics?
Yes, and
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 20:35 +0100, Nick Copeland wrote:
From: d...@drobilla.net
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 18:59 +, ja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
I'm no gamer but even I know games can be have been written in
java.
Minecraft springs to mind. A very interesting 3d block game.
The one
Subject: RE: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs
From: d...@drobilla.net
As for UIs, there is precisely one platform available by default on
almost all devices: the browser. Period.
How much a bunch of Unix curmudgeons or Java fans dislike that fact
doesn't change
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 10:14:46PM +0100, Nick Copeland wrote:
What I am trying to say is that just because every system has a hammer does
not mean you have to support nails. Screws will still always have a use but
people may just have to get a driver from somewhere to use them.
:-) :-)
Hey guys!
I have worked several years as a web developer and continue to create
personal projects actively.
What can I say - the web obviously has lots to offer. However, the
client-side has more promises than
actual accomplishments, especially when it comes to cross-browser things.
Want it or
On 11/21/2011 09:14 PM, Nick Copeland wrote:
...
What I am trying to say is that just because every system has a hammer does
not mean you have to support nails. Screws will still always have a use but
people may just have to get a driver from somewhere to use them.
+1 for best maslow's
On Tue, 2011-11-22 at 00:41 +0300, Louigi Verona wrote:
Hey guys!
I have worked several years as a web developer and continue to create
personal projects actively.
What can I say - the web obviously has lots to offer. However, the
client-side has more promises than
actual accomplishments,
Subject: Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs
From: d...@drobilla.net
All we need is a couple of sliders and knobs and such. It's quite straight
forward
Ah, is that all we need? I never realised it was so simple. Can I have them
in some dull, boring grey colour
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:42:31PM +0100, Nick Copeland wrote:
Subject: Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs
From: d...@drobilla.net
All we need is a couple of sliders and knobs and such. It's quite
straight
forward
Ah, is that all we need? I never realised
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 23:42 +0100, Nick Copeland wrote:
Subject: Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs
From: d...@drobilla.net
All we need is a couple of sliders and knobs and such. It's quite
straight
forward
Ah, is that all we need? I never realised it was so
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 22:57 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:42:31PM +0100, Nick Copeland wrote:
Subject: Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio APIs
From: d...@drobilla.net
All we need is a couple of sliders and knobs and such. It's quite
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:32:51 -0500
David Robillard d...@drobilla.net wrote:
Call me crazy, but I'll take clarity and usability over blind emulation
and stupid little pixmaps of physical buttons any day.
See, I find stupid little grey boxes a lot less clear and usable than pixmap
controls.
On Tue, 2011-11-22 at 00:41 +0300, Louigi Verona wrote:
Hey guys!
I have worked several years as a web developer and continue to create
personal projects actively.
What can I say - the web obviously has lots to offer. However, the
client-side has more promises than
actual accomplishments,
On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:33:38 -0500
David Robillard d...@drobilla.net wrote:
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 22:57 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 11:42:31PM +0100, Nick Copeland wrote:
Subject: Re: [LAD] bleeding edge html5 has interesting Audio
APIs From: d
edge html5 has interesting Audio
APIs From: d...@drobilla.net
All we need is a couple of sliders and knobs and such. It's
quite straight forward
Ah, is that all we need? I never realised it was so simple. Can I
have them in some dull, boring grey colour with sad
On Sat, 2011-11-19 at 11:53 -0800, Iain Duncan wrote:
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Stefano D'Angelo
zanga.m...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/11/19 David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
[...]
Writing one UI that works on all reasonable devices for free
with zero
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 6:04 AM, hollun...@lavabit.com wrote:
I realize this question might be provokative, but I've never seen this
comparison before and am genuinely interested in your opinion.
Both java and browser/JS are cross platform. Both are available on almost
every device out
Well, as a Java dev I felt the need to interject! :-)
iPhone is still a problem, but desktop is easy - just ship with an embedded
JVM in the same way you embed webkit.
The capabilities and performance of the Java VM are still well ahead of
JavaScript, which is not the same as saying it's the way
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Neil C Smith n...@neilcsmith.net wrote:
Well, as a Java dev I felt the need to interject! :-)
iPhone is still a problem, but desktop is easy - just ship with an embedded
JVM in the same way you embed webkit.
and therein lies the difference to:
visit
2011/11/20 Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com:
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Neil C Smith n...@neilcsmith.net wrote:
Well, as a Java dev I felt the need to interject! :-)
iPhone is still a problem, but desktop is easy - just ship with an embedded
JVM in the same way you embed webkit.
On 20 November 2011 13:58, Paul Davis p...@linuxaudiosystems.com wrote:
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:49 AM, Neil C Smith n...@neilcsmith.net wrote:
Well, as a Java dev I felt the need to interject! :-)
iPhone is still a problem, but desktop is easy - just ship with an embedded
JVM in the same
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 06:04 -0500, hollun...@lavabit.com wrote:
[...]
I realize this question might be provokative, but I've never seen this
comparison before and am genuinely interested in your opinion.
Both java and browser/JS are cross platform. Both are available on almost
every device out
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 06:04 -0500, hollun...@lavabit.com wrote:
[...]
I realize this question might be provokative, but I've never seen this
comparison before and am genuinely interested in your opinion.
Both java and browser/JS are cross platform. Both are available on
almost
every device
Wrong.
Android has the highest smart phones market share (Samsung alone became th
largest smart phones producer in the world). It's recent news.
-Giuseppe
Il giorno 21/nov/2011 02:15, David Robillard d...@drobilla.net ha scritto:
On Sun, 2011-11-20 at 06:04 -0500, hollun...@lavabit.com wrote:
On Monday 21 November 2011, at 02.44.00, Giuseppe Zompatori
silicon...@gmail.com wrote:
Wrong.
Android has the highest smart phones market share (Samsung alone became th
largest smart phones producer in the world). It's recent news.
...but, that's not really Java, is it? Different VM (Dalvik)
On Mon, 2011-11-21 at 02:44 +0100, Giuseppe Zompatori wrote:
Wrong.
Android has the highest smart phones market share (Samsung alone
became th largest smart phones producer in the world). It's recent
news.
I said most popular smart phone, not most popular smart phone OS.
Either way, apps
2011/11/19 David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
On Fri, 2011-11-18 at 12:01 +0100, Adrian Knoth wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:48:28AM -0800, Niels Mayer wrote:
http://kinlan-presentations.appspot.com/bleeding/index.html#42
Another step towards What is an OS? I do everything in the
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Stefano D'Angelo zanga.m...@gmail.comwrote:
2011/11/19 David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
On Fri, 2011-11-18 at 12:01 +0100, Adrian Knoth wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:48:28AM -0800, Niels Mayer wrote:
On Sat, 2011-11-19 at 11:53 -0800, Iain Duncan wrote:
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Stefano D'Angelo
zanga.m...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/11/19 David Robillard d...@drobilla.net:
[...]
Writing one UI that works on all reasonable devices for free
with zero
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:48:28AM -0800, Niels Mayer wrote:
http://kinlan-presentations.appspot.com/bleeding/index.html#42
Another step towards What is an OS? I do everything in the browser.
I don't really like it, though I see large-scale advantages when people
don't have to install office
On Fri, 2011-11-18 at 12:01 +0100, Adrian Knoth wrote:
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:48:28AM -0800, Niels Mayer wrote:
http://kinlan-presentations.appspot.com/bleeding/index.html#42
Another step towards What is an OS? I do everything in the browser.
I don't really like it, though I see
http://kinlan-presentations.appspot.com/bleeding/index.html#42
Don't we already have HTML5 audio?
Yes :)...but audio can only take us so far
Simple low-latency, glitch-free, audio playback and scheduling
Real-time processing and analysis
Low-level audio manipulation
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Niels Mayer nielsma...@gmail.com wrote:
http://kinlan-presentations.appspot.com/bleeding/index.html#42
See also
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/audio/raw-file/tip/webaudio/specification.html
-- Niels
http://nielsmayer.com/
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