On Thu, 2011-12-08 at 06:22 +0100, Nick Copeland wrote:
It's more like the distance along the minor axis controls
sensitivity,
and the actual value change is always along the major axis?
yes. also rather easy to discover.
Does this differ from fanning sliders?
More or less the
On 12/07/2011 09:03 PM, David Robillard wrote:
It's more like the distance along the minor axis controls sensitivity,
and the actual value change is always along the major axis?
Oh, I thought that's what happens with fan-sliders already ... and I
should know ;)
The 3D application Houdini
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 2:12 PM, David Robillard d...@drobilla.net wrote:
How about using the axis inline with the slider for coarse control, and
the other axis for fine control? For example, a horizontal fader would
use horizontal drag as a direct grab as usual, but the vertical
distance
How easy is that to use in practice though? With a mouse, and
particularly with a touch screen, it's not that easy to do a purely
vertical movement without introducing lots of horizontal noise that
will surely hamper your attempts at fine settings?!
Neil
On 7 December 2011 19:32, Paul Davis
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Neil C Smith n...@neilcsmith.net wrote:
How easy is that to use in practice though? With a mouse, and
particularly with a touch screen, it's not that easy to do a purely
vertical movement without introducing lots of horizontal noise that
will surely hamper your
On Wed, 2011-12-07 at 14:43 -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Neil C Smith n...@neilcsmith.net wrote:
How easy is that to use in practice though? With a mouse, and
particularly with a touch screen, it's not that easy to do a purely
vertical movement without
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:03 PM, David Robillard d...@drobilla.net wrote:
Hm... so my description wasn't quite what you'd want.
It's more like the distance along the minor axis controls sensitivity,
and the actual value change is always along the major axis?
yes. also rather easy to discover.
On Wed, 2011-12-07 at 17:32 -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 3:03 PM, David Robillard d...@drobilla.net wrote:
Hm... so my description wasn't quite what you'd want.
It's more like the distance along the minor axis controls sensitivity,
and the actual value change is
It's more like the distance along the minor axis controls sensitivity,
and the actual value change is always along the major axis?
yes. also rather easy to discover.
Does this differ from fanning sliders?
Is it possible to configure Macbook touchpads to middle click?
-dr
P.S. Spare us the who cares rants, please...
You can do this kind of stuff with the Mac. My boss has one and I had to use it
to do a presentation a while back: one button. Bummer. I had him drive the thing
since their
] sliders/fans
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On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 02:21:25PM -0500, David Robillard wrote:
Agreed. Everything here is about the *view*. How that maps to
actual
parameter
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To: f...@linuxaudio.org
Some situations are indeed much more complex than others, but a widget
is still just a stupid thing that gives you a number.I go with this, for lots
of reasons but the main one being that the graphic should be
an output of your application
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 09:52:25AM +0100, Nick Copeland wrote:
All we are really talking about here is what actions give what inputs. Seeing
as we
all agree that placing semantics on the controls is way out of scope then
specific
exceptions may just have to be moved outside.
Agreed, my
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 06:52:24PM -0500, David Robillard wrote:
... I guess you are being pedantic and jumping on me
saying it's a model issue.
Dave, I I have no desire to 'jump on you', and replied to
something written by Nick if I'm not mistaken.
Some situations are indeed much more
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 09:50:53PM +1300, Jeff McClintock wrote:
Imagine your device supplemented with a 'dumb' pair of MIDI controllers
complementing the two GUI sliders, they could not correctly implement the
complex interaction between the two gain settings, therefore you need to go
back
On Tue, 2011-11-22 at 15:41 +0100, hermann wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 22.11.2011, 09:25 -0500 schrieb Paul Davis:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:05 AM, James Morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:33:16 +0400
Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
For
On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 19:37 +0100, Nick Copeland wrote:
From: d...@drobilla.net
Just a thought, but perhaps an effort at a LAD HIG (Human Interface
Guidelines) might be a good idea, so things like this aren't
arbitrarily
different between apps and plugins?
Naturally the scope of such
From: d...@drobilla.net
To: nickycopel...@hotmail.com
That is a good idea. The recent comments on the use of Shift vs
Control
and controller changes does highlight some differences. Bristol uses
Shift for accelerator (as in shift your butt) and Control as a
decelerator
to have more
On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 20:02 +0100, Nick Copeland wrote:
From: d...@drobilla.net
To: nickycopel...@hotmail.com
That is a good idea. The recent comments on the use of Shift vs
Control
and controller changes does highlight some differences. Bristol uses
Shift for accelerator (as in
Am Donnerstag, den 24.11.2011, 14:21 -0500 schrieb David Robillard:
Middle click to go here is a convention from scroll bars dating back
to the dawn of X11. Using something easily done accidentally (and
unknowingly) for learn doesn't seem like the best idea to me.
That said, some laptops
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 02:21:25PM -0500, David Robillard wrote:
Agreed. Everything here is about the *view*. How that maps to actual
parameter values is an underlying model issue.
Not always. Consider the case of 'VCA' groups for faders. That
is: you have a slider that controls the gain of
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To: d...@drobilla.net
CC: nickycopel...@hotmail.com; linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org
I think most modern apps use middle mouse button today for midi
connection. Laptops witch didn't have a middle mouse button often even
didn't have a midi in connection so there is
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 09:31:22PM +0100, hermann wrote:
A click to go here, seems on the other hand like a bad Idea for me.
It's almost always a bad idea - there is no corresponding action
using a 'real' control.
But there are some alternative uses. I've been using R-click for
* On an EQ:
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To: linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org
Subject: Re: [LAD] sliders/fans
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 02:21:25PM -0500, David Robillard wrote:
Suppose the minimum value of the widget would correspond to say
-100 dB if not handled specially. If you just have a single
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:03:47PM +0100, Nick Copeland wrote:
Wow. Isn't this a far bigger topic?
Agreed, yes. But I was replying to your suggestion that
the translation of 'widget value' to 'actual parameter
value' would always be the task of the model or DSP code.
That is in general not the
Just a thought, but perhaps an effort at a LAD HIG (Human Interface
Guidelines) might be a good idea, so things like this aren't arbitrarily
different between apps and plugins?
Naturally the scope of such a thing would be limited since different
programs have different needs, but at least
Excerpts from hermann's message of 2011-11-24 21:31:22 +0100:
Am Donnerstag, den 24.11.2011, 14:21 -0500 schrieb David Robillard:
Middle click to go here is a convention from scroll bars dating back
to the dawn of X11. Using something easily done accidentally (and
unknowingly) for learn
On 2011-11-24, at 12:45 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 02:21:25PM -0500, David Robillard wrote:
Agreed. Everything here is about the *view*. How that maps to actual
parameter values is an underlying model issue.
Not always. Consider the case of 'VCA' groups for
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 03:12:12PM -0800, Jeff Koftinoff wrote:
On 2011-11-24, at 12:45 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
Not always. Consider the case of 'VCA' groups for faders. That
is: you have a slider that controls the gain of a group of
channels (without those being mixed). The
On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 20:45 +, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 02:21:25PM -0500, David Robillard wrote:
Agreed. Everything here is about the *view*. How that maps to actual
parameter values is an underlying model issue.
Not always. Consider the case of 'VCA' groups
On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 21:31 +0100, hermann wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 24.11.2011, 14:21 -0500 schrieb David Robillard:
Middle click to go here is a convention from scroll bars dating back
to the dawn of X11. Using something easily done accidentally (and
unknowingly) for learn doesn't seem
On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 22:30 +0100, Nick Copeland wrote:
Just a thought, but perhaps an effort at a LAD HIG (Human Interface
Guidelines) might be a good idea, so things like this aren't
arbitrarily
different between apps and plugins?
Naturally the scope of such a thing would be limited
Am Donnerstag, den 24.11.2011, 18:57 -0500 schrieb David Robillard:
On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 21:31 +0100, hermann wrote:
Am Donnerstag, den 24.11.2011, 14:21 -0500 schrieb David Robillard:
Middle click to go here is a convention from scroll bars dating back
to the dawn of X11. Using
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:33:16 +0400
Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
For darktable we examined the slider from phat and created a similar
new, more usable widget which combines a label and a slider. You can
enter precise value after a right click inside the slider
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:05 AM, James Morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:33:16 +0400
Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
For darktable we examined the slider from phat and created a similar
new, more usable widget which combines a label and a
Am Dienstag, den 22.11.2011, 09:25 -0500 schrieb Paul Davis:
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 7:05 AM, James Morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:33:16 +0400
Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote:
For darktable we examined the slider from phat and created a
On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:05 PM, James Morris wrote:
That looks interesting. I take it you removed the fan drawing code?
Hard to remove something that was never used :) We did it from scratch.
What about imprecise but fine grained adjustments?
Ctrl is used for smaller steps right now.
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