DISCLAIMER
I don't want to discuss the merits of any particular
case. If I refer to Prof. Keller it is only by way of
example, and not to suggest he should justify himself
on this list. Of course I'm still interested in his
views on these matters.
END DISCLAIMER
Prof. Keller writes 'We employ th
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> DISCLAIMER
>
> I don't want to discuss the merits of any particular
> case. If I refer to Prof. Keller it is only by way of
> example, and not to suggest he should justify himself
> on this list. Of course I'm still interested in his
> views on these matters.
>
> END DISCLA
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 12:48:45PM +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> Prof. Keller writes 'We employ the students ...'.
>
> [This] is certainly not correct for any normal student
> who would actually be paying the institute instead
> of the reverse. (..) it would seem morally wrong (to me)
> if the
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 01:31:41PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> The institute might have a copyright for the software's name and the logos,
> but each coder has to copyleft his changes on GPL code.
>
> No institute can take on a copyright, while the institute is using GPL
> licensed code.
I'm no
On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 13:31 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Referring to the copyleft statements by Stallman and the FSF you can
> have a copyright by FLOSS, by GNU, but not by the GPL itself. The
> institute might have a copyright for the software's name and the logos,
> but each coder has to cop
Arnout Engelen wrote:
> I'm not quite sure whether I understand you correctly, but it seems you're
> not entirely right here.
>
> If you don't have the copyright to a piece of code you wrote, for example
> because you wrote it for your employer, then this means you are *not allowed*
> to distribute
Greetings,
Just out of curiosity, how many participants in this discussion are
copyright holders ? How many of you have published works under copyright ?
Best,
dp
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Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> Copyleft/GPL build on copyright. It's the lever to do anything.
>
> Of course you have to keep all names of people that didn't hand over
> copyright to you in.
>
Copyleft is a function of the copyright by the GPL ;). Everybody is
allowed to use GPL licensed code, nobody
Dave Phillips wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Just out of curiosity, how many participants in this discussion are
> copyright holders ? How many of you have published works under copyright ?
>
> Best,
>
> dp
I programmed free software without using any code of other people, in
Germany I automatically ha
Hi,
On Sunday 02 August 2009 14:25:19 Dave Phillips wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, how many participants in this discussion are
> copyright holders ? How many of you have published works under copyright ?
I didn't yet take part in the discussion. But I am a copyright-holder. Both
private (GPL:)
On Sunday 02 August 2009 07:56:41 Arnout Engelen wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 01:31:41PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> ...
>
> To distribute the code, you must either get the copyright on the work back,
> or get permission from the actual copyright holder (employer, institution)
> to do so.
Rig
On Sunday 02 August 2009 08:25:19 Dave Phillips wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Just out of curiosity, how many participants in this discussion are
> copyright holders ? How many of you have published works under copyright ?
I have copyrighted work out there. These are mostly FOSS. GPL stuff, mostly,
but
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:20:15PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> As I have written before, less college tuitions are similar to being paid.
Absolutely not.
If you run a business and I am your customer I am in no
way bound by any deals you make with suppliers, sponsors,
or whatever. The price I p
On 08/02/2009 07:25 PM, Dave Phillips wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Just out of curiosity, how many participants in this discussion are
> copyright holders ? How many of you have published works under copyright ?
>
>
>
From my count it's about 90% of respondents so far.
Cheers.
Patrick Sh
On 08/02/2009 08:00 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:20:15PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
As I have written before, less college tuitions are similar to being paid.
Absolutely not.
If you run a business and I am your customer I am in no
way bound by any deals yo
Arnold Krille wrote:
> If you didn't sign a contract and work on a project, the
> copyright is still yours
Are you sure? I guess (and I'm not sure) that if you did some kind of
work, e.g. being a developer for a company, it implies that the employer
will take on the copyright and that you aren'
Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:20:15PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>
>> As I have written before, less college tuitions are similar to being paid.
>>
>
> Absolutely not.
>
> If you run a business and I am your customer I am in no
> way bound by any deals you make with
On 08/02/2009 08:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Arnold Krille wrote:
If you didn't sign a contract and work on a project, the
copyright is still yours
Are you sure? I guess (and I'm not sure) that if you did some kind of
work, e.g. being a developer for a company, it implies that the em
Arnout Engelen wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:20:15PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>> Arnout Engelen wrote:
>>
>>> If you don't have the copyright to a piece of code you wrote, for example
>>> because you wrote it for your employer, then this means you are *not
>>> allowed*
>>> to dis
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:20:15PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Arnout Engelen wrote:
>> If you don't have the copyright to a piece of code you wrote, for example
>> because you wrote it for your employer, then this means you are *not allowed*
>> to distribute this code. Not under the GPL, and not
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 11:10:35PM +0700, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>
> On 08/02/2009 08:00 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:20:15PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>
>>
>>> As I have written before, less college tuitions are similar to being paid.
>>>
>>
>> Absolutely no
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 08:25:19AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, how many participants in this discussion are
> copyright holders ? How many of you have published works under copyright ?
At least in the Netherlands (and i believe this goes for most if not all of
Europe), i
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>
> On 08/02/2009 08:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> Arnold Krille wrote:
>>
>>> If you didn't sign a contract and work on a project, the
>>> copyright is still yours
>>>
>>
>> Are you sure? I guess (and I'm not sure) that if you did some kind of
>> work, e.g. being a
On Sunday 02 August 2009 18:22:56 Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> On 08/02/2009 08:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > Arnold Krille wrote:
> >> If you didn't sign a contract and work on a project, the
> >> copyright is still yours
> > Are you sure? I guess (and I'm not sure) that if you did some kind of
> > w
On 08/02/2009 08:22 PM, Arnout Engelen wrote:
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:20:15PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Arnout Engelen wrote:
If you don't have the copyright to a piece of code you wrote, for example
because you wrote it for your employer, then this means you are *not allowed*
to
Arnout Engelen wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 08:25:19AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
>
>> Just out of curiosity, how many participants in this discussion are
>> copyright holders ? How many of you have published works under copyright ?
>>
>
> At least in the Netherlands (and i believe th
Arnold Krille wrote:
> On Sunday 02 August 2009 18:22:56 Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>
>> On 08/02/2009 08:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>
>>> Arnold Krille wrote:
>>>
If you didn't sign a contract and work on a project, the
copyright is still yours
>>> Are you sure?
On 08/02/2009 08:41 PM, Arnold Krille wrote:
On Sunday 02 August 2009 18:22:56 Patrick Shirkey wrote:
On 08/02/2009 08:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Arnold Krille wrote:
If you didn't sign a contract and work on a project, the
copyright is still yours
Are you sure? I
On Sunday 02 August 2009 15:40:33 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On the other hand, if a company pays you a regular salary and the job is
> named "developer", it might include that a copyright will subrogate to
> the employer, even if there isn't any stipulation saying this. Here I'm
> not sure.
It is not
On Sunday 02 August 2009, Dave Phillips wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>Just out of curiosity, how many participants in this discussion are
>copyright holders ? How many of you have published works under copyright ?
>
>Best,
>
>dp
>
Everything I ever wrote with 3 exceptions, carried a copyright (date) Mauric
On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 14:33 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Dunno what's called trademark and what's called copyright
Then you probably shouldn't be attempting to discuss copyright law
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David Robillard wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-08-02 at 14:33 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>> Dunno what's called trademark and what's called copyright
>>
>
> Then you probably shouldn't be attempting to discuss copyright law
>
> -dr
As I've written, a logo in Germany can be a trademark, but you ne
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> Prof. Keller writes 'We employ the students ...'.
>
> That would certainly be the case for a post-graduate
> student who becomes a teaching or research assistant
> and who receives a stipend from the institute or any
> of its sponsors. The t
Arnold Krille wrote:
> On Sunday 02 August 2009 15:40:33 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>> On the other hand, if a company pays you a regular salary and the job is
>> named "developer", it might include that a copyright will subrogate to
>> the employer, even if there isn't any stipulation saying this.
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On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 03:29:53PM +0200, Arnout Engelen wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 08:25:19AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
> > Just out of curiosity, how many participants in this discussion
> > are copyright holders ? How many of yo
jaromil wrote:
> re all,
>
> the GNU GPL agile copyright registration aimed at freedom helps us
> little fishes survive despite the "marauding giants" - institutions,
> corporations, etc. as in a student - university relationship can be.
>
> a common situation of attribution of authorship
"Sometimes, the process of installation is not facilitated by scripts,
but by some other means (such as executable programs). The GPL text only
mentions the word "scripts". But when reading and interpreting the
license, it is clearly understood that the license doesn't specifically
only mean "s
On Monday 03 August 2009 01:28:14 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> jaromil wrote:
>
> "Welcome to Impro-Visor (Improvisation Advisor) Version 4, from Bob
> Keller at Harvey Mudd College.
>
> [snip]
>
> Bob Keller, Impro-Visor Project Director" (README.txt)
>
> I don't like it, but it's not important if I or a
On Monday 03 August 2009 01:39:14 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> "Sometimes, the process of installation is not facilitated by scripts,
> but by some other means (such as executable programs). The GPL text only
> mentions the word "scripts". But when reading and interpreting the
> license, it is clearly und
On Aug 2, 2009, at 10:28 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> "Welcome to Impro-Visor (Improvisation Advisor) Version 4, from Bob
> Keller at Harvey Mudd College.
>
> [snip]
>
> Bob Keller, Impro-Visor Project Director" (README.txt)
>
> I don't like it, but it's not important if I or anybody else does or
keller wrote:
> The students leave and usually cease their contributions after the
> money runs out.
Hi Bob :)
IIUC the students get paid? This is seldom for coders that program
FLOSS. Unusual approaches by doing FLOSS and the way of how things work
on faculties as a rule, let me have a prejud
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Anyway, I'm allergic against degrees such as "Director" in liaison with
> "libre" (from the acronym FLOSS), but this is just an individual
> aversion by me and doesn't mean that it's bad.
Right. The usual FLOSS equivalent is "benevolent dict
Hi,
On Monday 03 August 2009 19:01:56 Jack O'Quin wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> > Anyway, I'm allergic against degrees such as "Director" in liaison with
> > "libre" (from the acronym FLOSS), but this is just an individual
> > aversion by me and doesn't mean that
On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 20:49 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
> Actually the most free software development happens in a Do-cracy: The one
> who
> does the job (or the biggest part of it) gets to decide.
and the rest complain on mailing lists :)
-dr
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David Robillard wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 20:49 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
>
>> Actually the most free software development happens in a Do-cracy: The one
>> who
>> does the job (or the biggest part of it) gets to decide.
>>
>
> and the rest complain on mailing lists :)
Please try
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On Mon, Aug 03, 2009 at 08:49:40PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
> Actually the most free software development happens in a Do-cracy:
> The one who does the job (or the biggest part of it) gets to decide.
that's right. but sometimes people
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 12:33:27 jaromil wrote:
> still, myself being a person working in education, i think the problem
> is more structural: i'd rather question why students in a school
> should be contributing to a professor's project, rather than starting
> one on their own? they co
On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 12:33 +0200, jaromil wrote:
> still, myself being a person working in education, i think the problem
> is more structural: i'd rather question why students in a school
> should be contributing to a professor's project, rather than starting
> one on their own? they coul
On Sunday 02 August 2009 08:25:19 Dave Phillips wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Just out of curiosity, how many participants in this discussion are
> copyright holders ? How many of you have published works under copyright ?
+1 people
+many works
but surely this is almost a trick question even though it
On Sunday 02 August 2009 09:41:57 Arnold Krille wrote:
> Standard contracts for employees include that the copyrights of their
> productive work during company time is property of the company. And that
> includes software...
>
> Arnold
OK, but what about the copyrights of their non productive work
drew Roberts wrote:
> On Sunday 02 August 2009 09:41:57 Arnold Krille wrote:
>
>> Standard contracts for employees include that the copyrights of their
>> productive work during company time is property of the company. And that
>> includes software...
>>
>> Arnold
>>
>
> OK, but what about
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On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 03:49:36PM -0400, David Robillard wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-08-05 at 12:33 +0200, jaromil wrote:
> > still, myself being a person working in education, i think the
> > problem is more structural: i'd rather question w
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On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 03:00:20PM +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
> I disagree (from expirience in writing software in a science
> project) mostly because half a year (which seems to be the normal
> timespan a student is available
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