[linux-audio-dev] latest audioengine snapshot (laaga proposal)

2001-06-12 Thread Paul Davis
http://www.op.net/~pbd/audioengine-0.0.1.tar.gz implemented: * running server driven by usleep(2) * running multiple out-of-process clients * detecting client death and recovering (done with a watchdog timer) * port registration * port deregistration * port buffer

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAAGA

2001-06-12 Thread Rick Burnett
I guess I do not understand *why* we would need some sort of generic property mechanism. If it was found out that additional properties were needed to be queried or changed in the future, you will still have to put in the appropriate 'glue' code between the audio engine and the audio drivers, ri

Re: [linux-audio-dev] goodbye AudioQualityHOWTO, hello LiLAQ

2001-06-12 Thread Vincent Touquet
I like the name because it sounds nice :) And the content is great to. Nice Job ! Regards Vincent

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Q: recording output from audio applications to disk

2001-06-12 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
Joakim Verona wrote: > Hello, > > I made a track with jazz/timidity/csound that i would like to record > digitally to disk. > > I would like some way to monitior the soundcards output, and record it > to disk at the same time as im playing it. > > Im using alsa 0511. > > I've seen somewh

Re: [linux-audio-dev] snapshot of laaga implementation

2001-06-12 Thread Abramo Bagnara
Steve Harris wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 06:29:37PM +0200, Abramo Bagnara wrote: > > > > My point is that added complexity is little or none. > > My point is that the advantage is little or none. > > I have a feeling that anything new, that was earth shattering enough to > require repres

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LinuxTag Infomail #2

2001-06-12 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
Frank Neumann wrote: > > Right now, my list of positive > "ACK" mails looks like this: > > - Frank Neumann > - Jörn Nettingsmeier > - Jürgen Erhard > - Josh Green > - Alexander Ehlert > - Daniel Kobras > - Richard Günther > - Benno Senoner (only for 3 days, though) > - (Tobias Ulbricht - not sur

[linux-audio-dev] goodbye AudioQualityHOWTO, hello LiLAQ

2001-06-12 Thread Paul Winkler
OK. I got sick of feeling guilty about not updating the AudioQualityHOWTO, so I pulled an all-nighter (and most of the next day) and rebuilt it into a Wiki website. I think it's pretty cool, but I'm a bit spaced out at the moment so it could completely suck. If you've never used Wiki, just open th

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LinuxTag Infomail #2

2001-06-12 Thread Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu
Hello Frank. Frank Neumann wrote: > [...snip...] > - Maurizio Umberto Puxeddu (is he and Nicola on this list?) I will not be at LinuxTag. I'm currently spending my available time in the definition of a quite heavy project: a free replacement for Csound. This implies a change on my priorities a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] snapshot of laaga implementation

2001-06-12 Thread Paul Davis
>> kill is faster. documented on a kernel syscall measurement website >> recently. mostly because you don't have to descend through VFS ... > >Very interesting... can you send me an URL? i posted it here a few weeks ago. i don't have it anymore. there was a slashdot post about the site. it wasn't

[linux-audio-dev] goodbye AudioQualityHOWTO, hello LiLAQ

2001-06-12 Thread Paul Winkler
OK. I got sick of feeling guilty about not updating the AudioQualityHOWTO, so I pulled an all-nighter (and most of the next day) and rebuilt it into a Wiki website. I think it's pretty cool, but I'm a bit spaced out at the moment so it could completely suck. If you've never used Wiki, just open th

[linux-audio-dev] LinuxTag Infomail #2

2001-06-12 Thread Frank Neumann
Hi all, this is a rather short second infomail, but I need to get this out quickly - Staffing the booth -- Thanks to those of you who responded that they will actually take part in staffing the LAD booth at LinuxTag 2001. Right now, my list of positive "ACK" mails looks like this

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Q: recording output from audio applications to disk

2001-06-12 Thread Abramo Bagnara
Paul Davis wrote: > > >> >I would like some way to monitior the soundcards output, and record it > >> >to disk at the same time as im playing it. > >> > > >> >Im using alsa 0511. > >> > > >> >I've seen somewhere that this is possible with OSS, but dont remember how. > >> > >> its not possible wit

Re: [linux-audio-dev] snapshot of laaga implementation

2001-06-12 Thread Steve Harris
On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 06:29:37PM +0200, Abramo Bagnara wrote: > > My point is that added complexity is little or none. My point is that the advantage is little or none. I have a feeling that anything new, that was earth shattering enough to require representation would be complicated enough t

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAAGA API Proposal

2001-06-12 Thread Paul Davis
>Before answering the following questions I like to tell about my view >of the typical usage pattern from the UI point of view. Lets suppose [ ... description elided ... ] yes, that more or less matches my notion of things closely enough that we clearly are aiming at the same general idea. >I

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Q: recording output from audio applications to disk

2001-06-12 Thread Paul Davis
>> >I would like some way to monitior the soundcards output, and record it >> >to disk at the same time as im playing it. >> > >> >Im using alsa 0511. >> > >> >I've seen somewhere that this is possible with OSS, but dont remember how. >> >> its not possible with OSS, and its not possible with cur

Re: [linux-audio-dev] snapshot of laaga implementation

2001-06-12 Thread Abramo Bagnara
Steve Harris wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 02:55:17PM +0200, Abramo Bagnara wrote: > > It's difficult to see in the future, this is my point. > > True, but it's: > > a) Go for the simple option now, have a simple API and maybe suffer with >versioning problems in the future. > >or

Re: [linux-audio-dev] snapshot of laaga implementation

2001-06-12 Thread Abramo Bagnara
Paul Davis wrote: > > >- read/write is probably faster (less cycles in kernel). I'm not sure > >however and I doubt the difference is relevant anyway. > > kill is faster. documented on a kernel syscall measurement website > recently. mostly because you don't have to descend through VFS ... Very

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Q: recording output from audio applications to disk

2001-06-12 Thread Paul Davis
>Wouldn't it be possible to do an LD_PRELOAD hack: preload a shared object >that implements snd_pcm_write and writes all data to disk? true, that would work for the "single data stream" case. --p

Re: [linux-audio-dev] snapshot of laaga implementation

2001-06-12 Thread Richard Guenther
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Abramo Bagnara wrote: > Paul Davis wrote: > > > > >- I suppose Unix sockets are more adeguate to shm/signal constraints > > > > why? as i've tried to explain, it seems to me that using fd's is a lot > > more work with no apparent gain ... if the job can be done using > > si

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAAGA API Proposal

2001-06-12 Thread Richard Guenther
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Paul Davis wrote: > >Just to speak with code, I've (quick and dirty) hacked something > >up which is different from Pauls approach. Its in "commented > >header" style, it helps if you know GLAME, but I'll try to > >elaborate. Note that I dont explicitly show implementation de

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Q: recording output from audio applications to disk

2001-06-12 Thread Abramo Bagnara
Paul Davis wrote: > > >I made a track with jazz/timidity/csound that i would like to record > >digitally to disk. > > > >I would like some way to monitior the soundcards output, and record it > >to disk at the same time as im playing it. > > > >Im using alsa 0511. > > > >I've seen somewhere that

Re: [linux-audio-dev] snapshot of laaga implementation

2001-06-12 Thread Steve Harris
On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 02:55:17PM +0200, Abramo Bagnara wrote: > It's difficult to see in the future, this is my point. True, but it's: a) Go for the simple option now, have a simple API and maybe suffer with versioning problems in the future. or b) Go for a more complex solution now ha

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Q: recording output from audio applications to disk

2001-06-12 Thread Joakim Verona
Thanks, I'll look into the alsa 0511 sources to see if I find anything then(wish me good luck since i find the alsa source rather difficult to penetrate) Yes, I've been folowing the threads and understand that it isn't all that easy. its just that for my needs, and as I saw it, just monitiorin

Re: [linux-audio-dev] snapshot of laaga implementation

2001-06-12 Thread Paul Davis
>You're equivocating: I meant Unix socket instead of current inet socket >for connection. Ah, OK, now I see what you mean. Yes, since there is no chance of running kill(2) over AF_INET, you're right. I just ripped the tcp_connect() code from another app that does need to support AF_INET. Thanks.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New plugins

2001-06-12 Thread Steve Harris
On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 02:18:04PM +0300, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: > Anyone would like to write a LADSPA wrapper for my reverb and > for my binaural multitap echo? After several months break I finally > had time to put a stereo output for my reverb, but I'm not sure > if it has the pipe (tunneling)

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Q: recording output from audio applications to disk

2001-06-12 Thread Maarten de Boer
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 08:30:52 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >I made a track with jazz/timidity/csound that i would like to record > >digitally to disk. > > > >I would like some way to monitior the soundcards output, and record it > >to disk at the same time as im playing it. > > > >Im using a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] synchronous midi/audio recording

2001-06-12 Thread David G Matthews
Agreed. If we are ever going to catch up with MacDoze, this is a priority. -dgm On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Tom Pincince wrote: > My understanding is that LAAGA currently defines only a free-running > server. Any client that performs recording, sequencing, arranging, or > edl based editing must defi

Re: [linux-audio-dev] snapshot of laaga implementation

2001-06-12 Thread Abramo Bagnara
Paul Davis wrote: > > >- I suppose Unix sockets are more adeguate to shm/signal constraints > > why? as i've tried to explain, it seems to me that using fd's is a lot > more work with no apparent gain ... if the job can be done using > signals, whats the benefit of using fd's? You're equivocati

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Q: recording output from audio applications to disk

2001-06-12 Thread Paul Davis
>I made a track with jazz/timidity/csound that i would like to record >digitally to disk. > >I would like some way to monitior the soundcards output, and record it >to disk at the same time as im playing it. > >Im using alsa 0511. > >I've seen somewhere that this is possible with OSS, but dont r

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAAGA API Proposal

2001-06-12 Thread Kardamone
Hi, I don't know exactly if this is the place and time but, I thought i could dare a line : is it an option to consider that there would be some "parameter ports" available on LAAGA ? I mean a way to drive a simple value on an external process or all focus will be attributed to audio data and le

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAAGA API Proposal

2001-06-12 Thread Paul Davis
>Just to speak with code, I've (quick and dirty) hacked something >up which is different from Pauls approach. Its in "commented >header" style, it helps if you know GLAME, but I'll try to >elaborate. Note that I dont explicitly show implementation details >(f.i. if using fds or not - I'm less conv

Re: [linux-audio-dev] snapshot of laaga implementation

2001-06-12 Thread Paul Davis
>- I suppose Unix sockets are more adeguate to shm/signal constraints why? as i've tried to explain, it seems to me that using fd's is a lot more work with no apparent gain ... if the job can be done using signals, whats the benefit of using fd's? >- multiple clients does not work why not? did

Re: [linux-audio-dev] New plugins

2001-06-12 Thread Juhana Sadeharju
Anyone would like to write a LADSPA wrapper for my reverb and for my binaural multitap echo? After several months break I finally had time to put a stereo output for my reverb, but I'm not sure if it has the pipe (tunneling) effect. It works for the vocals and for a noise click, but more testing w

[linux-audio-dev] Q: recording output from audio applications to disk

2001-06-12 Thread Joakim Verona
Hello, I made a track with jazz/timidity/csound that i would like to record digitally to disk. I would like some way to monitior the soundcards output, and record it to disk at the same time as im playing it. Im using alsa 0511. I've seen somewhere that this is possible with OSS, but dont re

Re: [linux-audio-dev] firenze talk slides

2001-06-12 Thread Paul Davis
>I must quibble with page 8, deficiencies of libre stuff as of 2001: > >"no soundfile editors capable of edl editing" OOPS!!! Major edit alert. In the actual talk, I take a marker, and cross out all the problemas above the line, to indicate what *has* been done since 1999. The idea is that we hav

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Linux Digital Audio Workstation in C?

2001-06-12 Thread Vincent Touquet
[cut] > I did a search for its Hindi meaning and found this: > http://www3.aa.tufs.ac.jp/~kmach/cgi-bin/cgiula_3.cgi?hre=laaga > > Look at the second definition... "sticky substance" == glue! > -=- Kevin Conder, http://KevinDumpsCore.com Now if that isn't a sign of the almigh

[linux-audio-dev] LAAGA API Proposal

2001-06-12 Thread Richard Guenther
Hi! Just to speak with code, I've (quick and dirty) hacked something up which is different from Pauls approach. Its in "commented header" style, it helps if you know GLAME, but I'll try to elaborate. Note that I dont explicitly show implementation details (f.i. if using fds or not - I'm less conv

Re: [linux-audio-dev] snapshot of laaga implementation

2001-06-12 Thread Abramo Bagnara
Paul Davis wrote: > > http://www.op.net/~pbd/audioengine-0.0.1.tar.gz > > this is snapshot of the current state of things: > > * cmdline engine runs > * cmdline client runs > * port registration works > * process() callback works > * signalling system works > > not don

Re: [linux-audio-dev] firenze talk slides

2001-06-12 Thread Paul Winkler
Paul Davis wrote: > > a few people asked if they could see my slides from the "free software > & multimedia" workshop in firenze. for whatever its worth, which i > suspect is not much, there's a PDF at: > > http://www.op.net/~pbd/firenze.pdf > > --p "pneumatics versus wood"?? What's

Sorting a flow graph in C++ (Re: [linux-audio-dev] snapshot of laaga implementation)

2001-06-12 Thread Jarno Seppanen
Paul Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > not done (amongst other things) but mostly conceptualized at code level: ... > * flow graph sorting Hi, although not having looked at your code, I'd like to point out if you want to copy-paste C++ code for sorting a flow graph (essentially a DFS sea