My suggestion:
LAD - Linux Audio Developers
SPA - Simple Plugin Api
LAP - Linux Audio Patchbay
LADIES - Linux Audio Developers Intuitive Editing Suite
How many self respecting long haired hippy muso's won't appreciate those
four words?
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Patrick Shirkey - Manager Boost Hardware.
Importing
Maarten had written an FLTK client for LAAGA:
>> >It is a very simple example, it's your ae_client.c with a slider to control
>> >the gain.
>>
>> I just added it to the laaga source base. It seems to work flawlessly
>> here. So I suspect some library issues, or something like that.
>
>Very stran
>On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 03:40:24PM +0100, Ellis Breen wrote:
>
>> Another couple of questions regarding LAAGA.Would this allow softsynths to
>> be synchronised with audio to sample accuracy? And how would one go about
>> bouncing their output to a hard disk recorder such as Ardour? What tools are
Hi,
I have for some time wondered why reading two big (and identical) files
takes the double time of comparing them... today I found the cause :-)
Linux limits the read ahead to 1+31 pages (á 4096 bytes = 128 kB) with
modern HD this is read quickly (4.3 ms, with 30 MB/s) then the head has to
mo
>> I was wondering whether it was possible to implement LADSPA on non-Linux
>> OSes, and if so, whether it has been done? For example, without breaking any
>> licenses (by clever dynamic linking if necessary) could a DirectX, VST, MAS
>> or TDM wrapper/adapter be written for it (if any of these pr
On the subject of:
>> JACK - Jack Audio Connection Kit.
Rick writes:
>Hehe, I can see it know 'You haven't used pro-audio tools on linux, well
>let me tell you buddy, you don't know JACK :)
this is so good, so very, very good it almost makes me want to run:
sed -e 's/laaga/jack/g' -e 's/
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Taybin Rutkin wrote:
> It's important to also save mulitple plugins. Save the order of a chain.
> And some programs also support networks where the plugin's aren't
> necessarily connected in a linear a->b->c manner. Maybe
> $LADSPA_PATH/networks/?
This might not be practic
Sébastien Métrot wrote:
> Isn't it exactely the job of the main X Desktop providers to reach an
> agreement about where such specs should be placed in the users directory and
> what format it should be? (I'm becoming a big fan of xml for such kind of
> settings files but wahtever will do as long
Hehe, I can see it know 'You haven't used pro-audio tools on linux, well
let me tell you buddy, you don't know JACK :)
Rick
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Sébastien Métrot wrote:
> JACK - Jack Audio Connection Kit.
>
> Just wait till version 6.35 :-)
>
> Sebastien
>
> - Original Mes
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Linium wrote:
> One cruel thing is that there is no inter-applications presets system for the
> ladspa plugins.
>
> Presets are quite usefull for all sort of reasons:
> -They are nice starting points for further tweakings.
> -It's immediate, you don't want to adjust all the
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, [iso-8859-1] Sébastien Métrot wrote:
> > However, some might see it a bit rude to take their Linux plugins and
> > compile them for Windows and because of this I've not encouraged spread to
> > other platforms. What do folk think? I wouldn't mind for my CMT plugins.
> >
>
>
Isn't it exactely the job of the main X Desktop providers to reach an
agreement about where such specs should be placed in the users directory and
what format it should be? (I'm becoming a big fan of xml for such kind of
settings files but wahtever will do as long as it's a standard that every
one
Look this may have got out-of-hand (it was meant to be an illustration of a
point rather than a Very Important Thing).
>> so why don't we use the key as the copy/cut/paste modifier?
>
> What's wrong with C-w, M-w and C-y? ;-).
the same argument about stretching applies (at least on the kbds I
> so why don't we use the key as the copy/cut/paste modifier?
What's wrong with C-w, M-w and C-y? ;-).
ccb
--
Charles C. Bennett, Jr. VA LiNUX Systems
Systems Engineer, Northeast US 25 Burlington Mall Rd., Suite 300
+1 617 543-6513 Burlingt
Yo Steve ... it *is* hot isn't it?
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001, Steve Harris wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 07:29:00PM +0100, Iain Sandoe wrote:
>> Why don't I like the -{x,c,v} keys on Linux & M$ - is it because they
>> are 'different' from the -{x,c,v} on MacOS?
>>
>> Nope. It's because the key (
On Friday 27 July 2001 14:07, you wrote:
> This was just posted on the OS-X core audio list
>
> Kudos to who ?
>
> > I just came across a paper detailing audio latency on various desktop
> > operating
> > systems. MacOS X was second best without load and the best performing
> > system
> > wit
- Original Message -
From: "Richard W.E. Furse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 8:19 PM
Subject: RE: [linux-audio-dev] Wrappers and LAAGA
>
> However, some might see it a bit rude to take their Linux plugins and
> compile them for Windows and becau
Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>
> Taybin wrote:
>
> >But that menu would be rearranging, so it would be slower to use it. Now,
> >I would suggest connecting the redo, or some "do again" command to the
> >last action taken. The user always knows what he did, and always knows
> >where the "do again" co
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 07:29:00PM +0100, Iain Sandoe wrote:
> Why don't I like the -{x,c,v} keys on Linux & M$ - is it because they
> are 'different' from the -{x,c,v} on MacOS?
>
> Nope. It's because the key (placed where the key is on a PC
> keyboard) is less of a stretch for one-handed ope
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 07:19:20PM +0100, Richard W.E. Furse wrote:
> However, some might see it a bit rude to take their Linux plugins and
> compile them for Windows and because of this I've not encouraged spread to
> other platforms. What do folk think? I wouldn't mind for my CMT plugins.
Fine
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001, Steve Harris wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 02:08:12PM +0100, Iain Sandoe wrote:
>> order. [Iain rates the probability approx. = 0.5 * sqrt(bugger all) ]
>
> Possibly a bit of a high estimate ;)
>
>> an Audio HIG?
>
> I would be nice, but even getting people to agree on
Le Fri, 27 Jul 2001, vous avez écrit :
> Yup, that seems to be a part audacity needs to be extended - ladspa
> support is quite important these days.
Hello, I would like to take the occasion to talk about something I feel is
needed.
One cruel thing is that there is no inter-applications presets
This was just posted on the OS-X core audio list
Kudos to who ?
> I just came across a paper detailing audio latency on various desktop
> operating
> systems. MacOS X was second best without load and the best performing
> system
> with load. 2.83 ms under load is very impressive. The link i
A few people have got LADSPA support working on Windows already. After all,
it's all ANSI C except for the dlopen() mechanism which can be replaced
trivially with the DLL mechanism. The suggestion to drop the L has been
made, but I think it should stay.
However, some might see it a bit rude to ta
This was just posted on the OS-X core audio list
Kudos to who ?
> I just came across a paper detailing audio latency on various desktop
> operating
> systems. MacOS X was second best without load and the best performing
> system
> with load. 2.83 ms under load is very impressive. The link i
> JACK - Jack Audio Connection Kit.
>
> Just wait till version 6.35 :-)
and thus Jack the LAD
sorry - it *is* hot in the UK (as Steve says it gets to us) ...
;-
Iain.
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Abramo Bagnara wrote:
> Steve Harris wrote:
> >
> > Alba, Audio Linking By Alba
>
> My vote is for "ALBA" (Audio Linking by Alba)
> --
> Abramo Bagnara
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I think ALBA sounds too much like ALSA and would cause confusion.
=== Kevin Conder
JACK - Jack Audio Connection Kit.
Just wait till version 6.35 :-)
Sebastien
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Winkler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 5:37 PM
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAAGA name
> Steve Harris wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2
On Friday 27 July 2001 11:37, you wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 03:40:24PM +0100, Ellis Breen wrote:
> > I was wondering whether it was possible to implement LADSPA on non-Linux
> > OSes, and if so, whether it has been done? For example, without breaking
> > any licenses (by clever dynamic link
>British humour tends to be very dry, but I don't think much of it gets
>exported, when it is, its usually misunderstood (I should know).
It is proper that one should refrain from talking of which cultures of
our world don't quite un_der_stand.
--
Patrick Shirkey - Manager Boost Hardware.
Im
Taybin wrote:
>But that menu would be rearranging, so it would be slower to use it. Now,
>I would suggest connecting the redo, or some "do again" command to the
>last action taken. The user always knows what he did, and always knows
>where the "do again" command is located. This would be most
- Original Message -
From: "Taybin Rutkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2001 10:51
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] what's wrong with glame
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Taybin Rutkin wrote:
> > >
> > > I beli
- Original Message -
From: "Paul Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, 27 July 2001 10:57
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] User Interface
jesus man you're hilarious ; )
>When its easy, I get a nice warm feeling all over. When its
> difficult, I end up being
> British humour tends to be very dry, but I don't think much of it gets
> exported, when it is, its usually misunderstood (I should know).
>
> - Steve
>
Which doesn't prevent it to be funny anyway :-)))
Sebastien (some french guy ;-)
Steve Harris wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 06:24:30PM -0400, Taybin Rutkin wrote:
> > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Richard C. Burnett wrote:
> >
> > > Not Another Wire (NAW) :) (Hook your DAW with NAW)
> >
> > YAAF (BBTM)
> > Yet Another Audio Framework (But Better Than Most)
>
> Yard, Yet Anther R
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 11:42:48AM -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
> Greetings:
>
> Someone mentioned that 'alba' is Italian for 'dawn'. Just FYI, the
> alba (or aubade) was a troubadour or trouvere song form used by a
> look-out to awaken lovers before the dawn, i.e., before their spouses
> could
Richard Guenther wrote:
> Well, people dont stop development on their apps they worked on for
> one and a half year - this will not happen.
I think it does happen... AFAICT, Boris Nagels disappeared off the 'net sometime
after promising to open-source Multitrack, but before actually doing so. You
Greetings:
Someone mentioned that 'alba' is Italian for 'dawn'. Just FYI, the
alba (or aubade) was a troubadour or trouvere song form used by a
look-out to awaken lovers before the dawn, i.e., before their spouses
could figure out what they were up to. Ah, the Middle Ages, how I miss
'em...
Be
Hi,
> I would like to add that I feel it is the ideas that are more important
> than the individual apps. Each one has different strong points. Things
> progress so much faster with the sound editors if we combined these
> ideas.
Yeah thats it and sometimes two different philosophies can't be ju
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> Richard Guenther wrote:
> >
> > Well, people dont stop development on their apps they worked on for
> > one and a half year - this will not happen.
> >
>
> Both you and Paul feel the same way on that topic. I don't hold it
> against you either.
>
>
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Paul Davis wrote:
> I would point out here that snd has had the same kind of capabilities
> as the GIMP in the realm of audio for many years now. One might argue
> even more power, given that it uses Guile for the scripting language.
>
> Yet nobody (well, OK, very few people
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 03:40:24PM +0100, Ellis Breen wrote:
> I was wondering whether it was possible to implement LADSPA on non-Linux
> OSes, and if so, whether it has been done? For example, without breaking any
> licenses (by clever dynamic linking if necessary) could a DirectX, VST, MAS
> or
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:28:37AM -0600, Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
>Proper British humour about wideboys, cortinas and posers, now that makes
>more sense.
>
> I was always told ``British humour'' was an oxymoron :)
Naah, you were thinking of american ;)
British humour tends to be very dry, b
I was wondering whether it was possible to implement LADSPA on non-Linux
OSes, and if so, whether it has been done? For example, without breaking any
licenses (by clever dynamic linking if necessary) could a DirectX, VST, MAS
or TDM wrapper/adapter be written for it (if any of these provide a supe
> Err, (Paul) Newmann's Own Salad Dressing?
Now I'm confused, why does Paul Newmann have salad dressing. Isn't he an
actor?
He put a bunch of his money into a salad dressing company; the profits
all go to the Scott Newmann foundation (in memory of his son, who died
very young -- I think
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:57:01AM -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
> Now, if someone produced a library that supported playlist editing in
> C in a way that could be easily integrated into (1) other languages
> (2) programs with different goals, there would be chance at
> "cooperation", since we'd stand
Paul Davis wrote:
> ...snd has had the same kind of capabilities
> as the GIMP in the realm of audio for many years now. One might argue
> even more power, given that it uses Guile for the scripting language.
>
> Yet nobody (well, OK, very few people) have jumped into snd and done
> all kinds of
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 02:08:12PM +0100, Iain Sandoe wrote:
> order. [Iain rates the probability approx. = 0.5 * sqrt(bugger all) ]
Possibly a bit of a high estimate ;)
> an Audio HIG?
I would be nice, but even getting people to agree on simple things, is
hard in the UNIX world. eg. what the
Richard Dobson wrote:
>[lots of reasonable stuff snipped...]
> 'Intuitive' is a wonderfully useless (and much abused) (non-)technical
> term, as it invariably means different things to different people,
> because, strangely enough, people learn to wotk (and think) in different
> ways. Nothing i
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:46:41AM -0400, Taybin Rutkin wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Paul Davis wrote:
>
> > >> POSA
> > >> Paul's Own Sound Architecture
> > >
> > >now *that* made me laugh ...
> >
> > true, but i wonder if taybin has any idea of quite why, since i think
> > i do (given your un
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 09:12:53PM +0900, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> Abramo Bagnara wrote:
>
> >Steve Harris wrote:
> >>
> >> Alba, Audio Linking By Alba
>
> >Wow!!! This is wonderful.
>
> >"Alba" is the italian word for "dawn". It seems good wishing
Wow, I though it was italian for White,
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Taybin Rutkin wrote:
> >
> > I believe that studies have been done with dynamic menus. They found that
> > it was confusing to have the menus rearrange. Humans get used to looking
> > for the same thing in one place, and if the
>The library of useful ideas for each project are reasonably sized but
>nothing as extensive as the code base for win or mac editors. But if we
>had combined them all from the start then we would already have a very
>strong editing suite. How unrealistic is it? Is that posibility just too
>fantast
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Richard C. Burnett wrote:
> The next best alternative is code that statistacally keeps track of how
> often commands etc are used, then its sent back so people can see what the
> most frequent operations are and how they distribute between different
> users.
Seems uncomforta
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Paul Davis wrote:
> >> POSA
> >> Paul's Own Sound Architecture
> >
> >now *that* made me laugh ...
>
> true, but i wonder if taybin has any idea of quite why, since i think
> i do (given your understanding of the cortina mk.III situation) ...
Err, (Paul) Newmann's Own Salad
>I would like to add that I feel it is the ideas that are more important
>than the individual apps. Each one has different strong points. Things
>progress so much faster with the sound editors if we combined these
>ideas.
>
>That is where the true value of the Gimp lies. It's not the useful gui
>d
Abramo Bagnara wrote:
>Steve Harris wrote:
>>
>> Alba, Audio Linking By Alba
>Wow!!! This is wonderful.
>"Alba" is the italian word for "dawn". It seems good wishing
>My vote is for "ALBA" (Audio Linking by Alba)
Isn't also a quote from Napoleon?
Also I think you are biased because it
Well, nobody can ever win these arguments; I find the new Start menu
system very convenient and intuitive, as I do indeed use 15% of my
installed programs 99% of the time.
Win2k Startmenu doesn't move menu items to different places (though it
enables you to do that if you want), it just hides rar
Richard Guenther wrote:
>
> Well, people dont stop development on their apps they worked on for
> one and a half year - this will not happen.
>
Both you and Paul feel the same way on that topic. I don't hold it
against you either.
I would like to add that I feel it is the ideas that are more im
Steve Harris wrote:
>
> Alba, Audio Linking By Alba
Wow!!! This is wonderful.
"Alba" is the italian word for "dawn". It seems good wishing
My vote is for "ALBA" (Audio Linking by Alba)
--
Abramo Bagnara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Opera Unica Phon
> User interfaces need to be intuitive.
#1 priority - preferably with:
the main (if not all) tasks right in front of you.
well-designed icons that lead you to the task directly.
> For linux
> applications it is better to satisfy the 90
> percentile. Bells and whistles should be left to
> profe
Hi all,
--- Steve Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 04:54:09AM +0900, Patrick
> Shirkey wrote:
> > Richard Dobson said:
> >
> > >and, wherever possible, ensure that the most
> frequently performed tasks
> > >(which may be the most argued-over parameter, of
> course) r
Hi,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Why change? Personally I like LAAGA. But maybe that's for being
> dutch, and used to the double-A.
I agree here - personally I don't see a need in changing the name again.
Sure, there are more "sexy" names (like "FreeWire" is) that we could
use, but the basic prob
On Thu, Jul 26, 2001 at 06:24:30PM -0400, Taybin Rutkin wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Richard C. Burnett wrote:
>
> > Not Another Wire (NAW) :) (Hook your DAW with NAW)
>
> YAAF (BBTM)
> Yet Another Audio Framework (But Better Than Most)
Yard, Yet Anther Rewire Duplicate ;)
Plug, Plug Links Us
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 03:17:30AM +0100, Richard Dobson wrote:
> I have one example where I would really like to have an answer: having
> installed Mandrake 7.2 (replacing an old but pleasant Redhat 6), I have
> the problem that in the terminal (under KDE), different file types are
> now colour-c
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 04:54:09AM +0900, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> Richard Dobson said:
>
> >and, wherever possible, ensure that the most frequently performed tasks
> >(which may be the most argued-over parameter, of course) require the
> >least number of steps. A sub-menu requires at least fou
Ok, apalogies are in place here, this is way offtopic.
I intended to send this to Nick only, but I failed :
Sincere apaologies,
Vincent
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> My reason is that there are so many editors to chose from I can only
> really be bothered with contributing to 3 of them seriously.
I think for contributing to even 3 is a lot...
> Have the Glamers bothered to install ardour yet? What about sweep? O
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 08:37:18AM +0100, Nick Bailey wrote:
(cut)
>time now. I've even just bought some hardware (a twin K7 1.2GHz with an RME
>soundcard amongst other things) to run it on! If it was a "higher-level" library than
(cut)
Hi,
I'm about to buy a new computer too and i was think
ljp wrote:
> 7/26/2001 23:30:38, Paul Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >Why don't I make my libraries available as RPMs or debian packages?
> >Because I have better things to do with my development time than
> >rebuilding, reuploading, re-doing a web page every time I fix a bug in
> >a libr
Why change? Personally I like LAAGA. But maybe that's for being
dutch, and used to the double-A.
mAArten
On Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:54:13 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >It is a very simple example, it's your ae_client.c with a slider to control
> >the gain.
>
> I just added it to the laaga source base. It seems to work flawlessly
> here. So I suspect some library issues, or something like that.
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