[linux-audio-dev] Interesting info regarding RME Hammerfall DSP and Steinberg

2002-03-09 Thread Ivica Bukvic
Hi all, Just wanted to share some interesting news with all who are still waiting to obtain one of these beasts (Hammerfall DSP) and have been waiting for a long time (like myself). I just found out from talking to a RME US reseller that Steinberg sells exactly the same hardware for a lower pric

RE: [linux-audio-dev] ALSA vs OSS/free

2002-03-09 Thread Ivica Bukvic
> ALSA isn't a user space driver. > > Its a kernel space driver that comes with a user space library. The > library has several purposes: > > 1) hide hardware specific details that are represented >at the raw device level (i.e. via /dev/snd/...) > > 2) encapsulate comm

RE: [linux-audio-dev] ALSA vs OSS/free

2002-03-09 Thread Ivica Bukvic
> Kernelspace is the worst possible place you can ever do that. Thank you for your thoughts regarding this issue. Still, you did not answer the most important part of the question: why is that so? Ico

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ALSA vs OSS/free

2002-03-09 Thread Paul Davis
>Since we are talking about this [non]issue, again, I just realized that >there is one thing I am still not able to comprehend completely, so I >would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this one. > >It is no rocket science to figure out that Alsa is the way to go, and I >am all for it. But one thi

RE: [linux-audio-dev] ALSA vs OSS/free

2002-03-09 Thread Dan Hollis
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Ivica Bukvic wrote: > It is no rocket science to figure out that Alsa is the way to go, and I > am all for it. But one thing I do not comprehend is why is the > user-space driver better than the kernel space one? It is simply 100,000,000 times more flexible than a kernel space

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ALSA vs OSS/free

2002-03-09 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 21:13:06 -0500 "Ivica Bukvic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since we are talking about this [non]issue, again, I just realized that > there is one thing I am still not able to comprehend completely, so I > would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this one. > > It is no rocket s

RE: [linux-audio-dev] ALSA vs OSS/free

2002-03-09 Thread Ivica Bukvic
Since we are talking about this [non]issue, again, I just realized that there is one thing I am still not able to comprehend completely, so I would greatly appreciate any thoughts on this one. It is no rocket science to figure out that Alsa is the way to go, and I am all for it. But one thing I d

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ALSA vs OSS/free

2002-03-09 Thread Paul Davis
>They _should_ be in kernel, as SCSI and similar layers are. But I don't >think format conversions are necessary at all. So what do you think should happen when someone tries to run a 16 bit application on hardware that only supports 24-of-32bit samples? Does every application have to do the conv

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA and JACK

2002-03-09 Thread Paul Davis
>> The problem isn't making chrome easy. It isn't the available >> widgets. Its the presence of an event loop that is incompatible >> with another toolkit. At least, thats the problem that I see and >> was referring to. [ ... ] >Anyway, *why* are people doing this "hidden event loop" thing over

Re: [linux-audio-dev] introduction & ideas

2002-03-09 Thread Paul Davis
>I think accurate MIDI timing eventually comes down on how well the >operating system performes. If Linux had a better performing nanosleep() >, i.e. if it would reprogram the clock chip to generate one shot interrupts >at the exact time the first ready thread will need to be woken up, then >the M

Re: [linux-audio-dev] introduction & ideas

2002-03-09 Thread Martijn Sipkema
> > No, it doesn't accomplish this, but it can. The kernel will have to > > support it, so Linux will have to gain accurate scheduling. In the > > meantime I think getting the clock resolution on Intel from 10ms > > down to 1ms will be sufficient in most cases. > > How likely is it that this will

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ALSA vs OSS/free

2002-03-09 Thread Paul Davis
>> actually, its easier. it just isn't documented to make it seem that >> way. the major benefits are that no device-specific hacks are needed >> and format conversion is handled by alsa-lib. there are others. i > >OSS does format conversions. And also does samplerate conversion and >software mixi

Re: [linux-audio-dev] introduction & ideas

2002-03-09 Thread David Olofson
(All of a sudden, I'm becoming interested in high resolution timers w/ scheduling capabilities in mainstream kernels... but not for reasons that have much to do with audio.) On Wednesday 06 March 2002 11.46, Martijn Sipkema wrote: [...CLOCK_MONOTONIC...] > No, it doesn't accomplish this, but

Re: [linux-audio-dev] introduction & ideas

2002-03-09 Thread Martijn Sipkema
> > > Ok, I was of course thinking of timestamping MIDI events with the > > > "audio clock". No problem when running a sequencer as a part of > > > the audio network, but it does get messy to timestamp the MIDI > > > events. > > > > I would prefer timestamping MIDI messages with some common clock.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ALSA vs OSS/free

2002-03-09 Thread Jussi Laako
Paul Davis wrote: > > QNX too. :))) True, I've used it, but it supports only 0.5 API. > actually, its easier. it just isn't documented to make it seem that > way. the major benefits are that no device-specific hacks are needed > and format conversion is handled by alsa-lib. there are others. i

Re: [linux-audio-dev] introduction & ideas

2002-03-09 Thread David Olofson
On Tuesday 05 March 2002 23.28, Martijn Sipkema wrote: > > Ok, I was of course thinking of timestamping MIDI events with the > > "audio clock". No problem when running a sequencer as a part of > > the audio network, but it does get messy to timestamp the MIDI > > events. > > I would prefer timesta

Re: [linux-audio-dev] introduction & ideas

2002-03-09 Thread David Olofson
On Tuesday 05 March 2002 16.10, Paul Davis wrote: [...] > >Yeah... The stream frame rate is the clock. > > the window/macos worlds have been pretty unhappy with this > arrangement, which i am convinced is part of the reason for the > emergence of these newer interfaces which accept pre-queued > da

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA and JACK

2002-03-09 Thread David Olofson
On Tuesday 05 March 2002 16.14, Paul Davis wrote: > >I still think there is, but I'm not so sure it's actually > > something that can be implemented with a reasonable amount of > > work. I believe the problem with any new toolkit of the > > traditional kind is that it would either be too restricti