Re: [linux-audio-dev] SuperClonider

2002-04-20 Thread Michael J McGonagle
Dustin Barlow wrote: > > > > > > > >Well, if SuperCollider is based on SmallTalk, then yes it would be OO. > > > >SmallTalk is considered to be one of the first OO languages, from > >whence > > > >most others model themselves. I think the only thing that makes > > > >SmallTalk more "OO" than Java

Re: [linux-audio-dev] SuperClonider

2002-04-20 Thread Dustin Barlow
> > > > >Well, if SuperCollider is based on SmallTalk, then yes it would be OO. > > >SmallTalk is considered to be one of the first OO languages, from >whence > > >most others model themselves. I think the only thing that makes > > >SmallTalk more "OO" than Java is that it also abstracts all of t

Re: [linux-audio-dev] SuperClonider

2002-04-20 Thread John Lazzaro
On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 11:21:19PM +0200, Peter Hanappe wrote: > > MusicN/Csound/SAOL is also not [...] One could have taken a look at the MPEG 2 Audio standard when it came out, played with the reference standard encoder and decoder, and come to the conclusion that an application like iTunes wa

Re: [linux-audio-dev] SuperClonider

2002-04-20 Thread John Lazzaro
Hi Paul, > John, if you're already working on one, or know anybody else who is, > give a holler real quick so I don't waste my whole afternoon. :) No, I've been holding off on JACK until I update my OS from the 2.2 series ... and no one else I know is actively working on it either. So, your JACK

Re: [linux-audio-dev] SuperClonider

2002-04-20 Thread Paul Winkler
On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 11:21:19PM +0200, Peter Hanappe wrote: > SuperCollider is the only program out there that can handle > composition, sound synthesis, real-time, and interactivity in one > package. It makes SuperCollider one of the most intelligent and > interesting music applications to me.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] SuperClonider

2002-04-20 Thread Paul Winkler
On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 12:21:20PM -0700, John Lazzaro wrote: However, this is LAD, not LAU -- the "we" here is in > theory "content toolmakers" as opposed to "content creators". > Why should the LAD "we" care about SAOL? Aside from everything you mentioned, I'll give my own reason: Beca

Re: [linux-audio-dev] SuperClonider

2002-04-20 Thread Michael J McGonagle
Dustin Barlow wrote: > > >Well, if SuperCollider is based on SmallTalk, then yes it would be OO. > >SmallTalk is considered to be one of the first OO languages, from whence > >most others model themselves. I think the only thing that makes > >SmallTalk more "OO" than Java is that it also abstract

Re: [linux-audio-dev] SuperClonider

2002-04-20 Thread Peter Hanappe
Michael J McGonagle wrote: > Kasper Souren wrote: > >>>Could you offer some comparisons here? What things are possible in >>>SuperCollider that are either not available or are more difficult in >>>SAOL? >>> >>AFAIK SuperCollider is much more object oriented. I think it's even >>'completely' OO,

Re: [linux-audio-dev] SuperClonider

2002-04-20 Thread Dustin Barlow
>Well, if SuperCollider is based on SmallTalk, then yes it would be OO. >SmallTalk is considered to be one of the first OO languages, from whence >most others model themselves. I think the only thing that makes >SmallTalk more "OO" than Java is that it also abstracts all of the >primitive data ty

Re: [linux-audio-dev] SuperClonider

2002-04-20 Thread John Lazzaro
Hi everyone, Interesting posts here on the pros and cons of SAOL by several folks ... what is being missed here is that the end goal for SAOL is to embed a SAOL decoder everywhere you would embed an MP3 decoder today -- PCs, stereos, cell-phones, etc. This was a language design

Re: [linux-audio-dev] SuperClonider

2002-04-20 Thread Michael J McGonagle
Kasper Souren wrote: > > > Well, I admit that I don't know SuperCollider... So... If you like > > SuperCollider so much, why not buy a Mac? This is not intended to be a > > flipant question, I am curious why you have choosen to use Linux over > > Mac? > > Ok, this question wasn't asked to me, bu

Re: [linux-audio-dev] MuSE 0.7 "EXODUS"

2002-04-20 Thread jaromil
On Sat, Apr 20, 2002 at 01:30:59AM -0300, Juan Linietsky wrote: > > here i am, > > hopefully getting some sleep soon, > > to proudly announce MuSE 0.7 EXODUS !!! > > ahh man, i thought it was a release of MusE and got all happy > http://muse.seh.de/ > > Same name is confusing :) eh! i know pro

Re: [linux-audio-dev] SuperClonider

2002-04-20 Thread Kasper Souren
> James is just one person who makes a living, barely, by providing an > excellent tool for computer musicians. It is unlikely that you will create a > better tool than SuperCollider. But you may cut into his sales enough that > he can no longer afford to support it. That will probably not help pe

Re: [linux-audio-dev] SuperClonider

2002-04-20 Thread Kasper Souren
> Well, I admit that I don't know SuperCollider... So... If you like > SuperCollider so much, why not buy a Mac? This is not intended to be a > flipant question, I am curious why you have choosen to use Linux over > Mac? Ok, this question wasn't asked to me, but I can answer it for myself. I had

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Linux Audio Live Use

2002-04-20 Thread Scott Kellogg
> You are aware that Reaktor, Nord Modular, and MAX/MSP are > commercial programs that AFAIK aren't available for Linux, aren't you? > There are alternatives available (that include source code for your > low-level exploration). These alternatives are... Thank you for your recommendations.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Linux Audio Live Use

2002-04-20 Thread Kevin Conder
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, Scott Kellogg wrote: > There are various products (Reaktor, Nord Modular, MAX/MSP) that would be > suited to this task, but I would like to understand what is happening at a > very low level and have that inform my creative process. > > Is anyone on this list doing this sort