Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 17:23, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 03:38:10PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > I think this is a lot of the reason European (especially Dutch) design > > is so much more advanced than American. In the States, a fire exit sign > > says 'EXIT'. In the Netherla

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Pete Bessman
At Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:28:35 +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > > so that I can compare it against the mouth-breathing crow-magnon > > music created with shiny-quarter interfaces. I'm sure the results > > will speak for themselves. > > They do, but maybe not in the direction you imagined. And cro

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 08:29:44PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:00:42PM +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > > > Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality > > > he would not

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 03:38:10PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 12:00, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > > > Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality > > > he would not even expect is n

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:15:24PM -0400, Pete Bessman wrote: > I have a very simple request for everybody who loathes > "plug-and-drool" usability: show me the tunes. That's all. Lemme > hear the avant garde music enabled by avant garde interfaces The most avant-garde music is enabled by very

Re: [linux-audio-dev] swh plugins and fixing undenormalize

2004-06-25 Thread Jan Depner
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 13:49, Tim Blechmann wrote: > > I have a denormal fix without a branch but you probably don't want to > > see it ;-) > > It's pretty simple, just OR the bits of the exponent together which > > gives either > > 0 (denormal) or 1, typecast that to float, and then multiply the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Pete Bessman
At Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:00:42 +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about > > functionality he would not even expect is not an option. > > Have education levels gone down *that* far

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 07:09, Dave Griffiths wrote: > On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 19:29, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > Besides, we were talking about widgets. When even single > > widgets would require to RTFM, what would that mean > > for a full app? > > I think there is a danger here of being too conserv

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Lee Revell
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 12:00, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality > > he would not even expect is not an option. > > Have education levels gone down *that* far ? It is

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 12:09:24PM +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote: > On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 19:29, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > Besides, we were talking about widgets. When even single > > widgets would require to RTFM, what would that mean > > for a full app? > > I think there is a danger here of bein

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Dave Griffiths
On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 19:29, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Besides, we were talking about widgets. When even single > widgets would require to RTFM, what would that mean > for a full app? I think there is a danger here of being too conservative - something I think existing commercial software does (in

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:00:42PM +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality > > he would not even expect is not an option. > > Have education levels gone down *that*

Re: [linux-audio-dev] swh plugins and fixing undenormalize

2004-06-25 Thread Tim Blechmann
> I have a denormal fix without a branch but you probably don't want to > see it ;-) > It's pretty simple, just OR the bits of the exponent together which > gives either > 0 (denormal) or 1, typecast that to float, and then multiply the > original float by that (0.0 or 1.0). Voila, no branch, bu

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 06:54:20PM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > Requiring the user to read documentation to learn about functionality > he would not even expect is not an option. Have education levels gone down *that* far ? -- FA

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Dave Griffiths
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:54:20 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote > On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 05:22:55PM +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote: > > > > I like your fan idea Thorsten, but I also think it could work invisibly - ie > > no need for the transparent overlay. This would take a bit of learning that it > > wa

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Fri, Jun 25, 2004 at 05:22:55PM +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote: > > I like your fan idea Thorsten, but I also think it could work invisibly - ie > no need for the transparent overlay. This would take a bit of learning that it > was there to begin with - but transparent graphics like that are expe

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Dave Griffiths
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:28:09 +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote > On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 09:46:36AM +0200, Burkhard Woelfel wrote: > > > > Radial movement on control elements often confuses me. ... > Well, the scaling issue was not obvious to me, I needed to > read about it somewhere, but afterwards

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Mon, Jun 21, 2004 at 09:46:36AM +0200, Burkhard Woelfel wrote: > > Radial movement on control elements often confuses me. > > If there was a line drawn from the center of the knob to the mouse pointer, > maybe sporting arrows in the directions to move the mouse would make two > things obviou

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design (radial movement)

2004-06-25 Thread Burkhard Woelfel
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 10 June 2004 03:03, Tim Hockin wrote: > Radial is confusing to people. Radial movement on control elements often confuses me. If there was a line drawn from the center of the knob to the mouse pointer, maybe sporting arrows in the direc