[linux-audio-dev] Re: Patents on some Linux OS code

2004-12-08 Thread Artem Baguinski
Paul Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>They think that if there is no "producer" backing the product then they can >>attack the user as the guilty of the patent infraction, and I think that we >>will see more threats and trials because of that. This is something that is >>happening, not only

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Patents on some Linux OS code

2004-12-08 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 21:47:25 +0100 "Pedro Lozano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Then I dont understand why there are companies pushing for the aproval of > software patents in europe and worldwide. To patent stupid things and not > using these patents for anything? Look, the patenting of stupid t

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ssm2

2004-12-08 Thread Dave Robillard
On Wed, 2004-08-12 at 12:18 +, Steve Harris wrote: > I'm pretty sure someone else is working on something like this, OSC driven > UI, modules as LADSPA plugins, cant remeber the name though. > > DSSI might be better for some SSM modules, it allows bulk data transfer > from UI->plugin and a cou

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ssm2

2004-12-08 Thread Dave Robillard
On Wed, 2004-08-12 at 16:43 +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote: > On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:41:24 +0100, Mario Lang wrote > > Steve Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I'm pretty sure someone else is working on something like this, OSC driven > > > UI, modules as LADSPA plugins, cant remeber the na

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Patents on some Linux OS code

2004-12-08 Thread Paul Davis
>Then I dont understand why there are companies pushing for the aproval of >software patents in europe and worldwide. To patent stupid things and not >using these patents for anything? fear, and copycat behaviour. there is this idea (inspired by IBM and others) of building a "patent portfolio" t

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Patents on some Linux OS code

2004-12-08 Thread Pedro Lozano
Then I dont understand why there are companies pushing for the aproval of software patents in europe and worldwide. To patent stupid things and not using these patents for anything? - Original Message - From: "Paul Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "The Linux Audio Developers' Mailing List

[linux-audio-dev] Re: [linux-audio-user] TAKE ACTION - Thread on RME - additional notes

2004-12-08 Thread Marek Peteraj
Hi, just wanted to say that there are 10 posts already, none of those guys were actively participating in recent threads except Martin IIRC. I counted at least another 10-15 people who mentioned that they're using RME on LAD/LAU. For those who don't feel like expressing their opinion at all, i'd l

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ssm2

2004-12-08 Thread Marek Peteraj
Hi, > Or has some or all this stuff already been done? Most of the work will be in > converting ssm's 50+ existing plugins to ladspa - and writing a gui that sends > osc messages. I think this is a great idea, since it allows everyone else to share the DSP. Marek

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Patents on some Linux OS code

2004-12-08 Thread Paul Davis
>They think that if there is no "producer" backing the product then they can >attack the user as the guilty of the patent infraction, and I think that we >will see more threats and trials because of that. This is something that is >happening, not only my thoughs. it is *not* happening. its as s

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Patents on some Linux OS code

2004-12-08 Thread Pedro Lozano
I didnt say they were right, I said that they think they are right. They think that if there is no "producer" backing the product then they can attack the user as the guilty of the patent infraction, and I think that we will see more threats and trials because of that. This is something that is

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Patents on some Linux OS code

2004-12-08 Thread Jack O'Quin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:01 , 'Pedro Lozano' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: > > >> 2) If such an issue should be discovered, Novell will back up the > >>Linux side with their patent-portfolio, which (cough) *could* > >>(cough) be an expensive experience for the attacker. >

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Patents on some Linux OS code

2004-12-08 Thread eviltwin69
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 19:01 , 'Pedro Lozano' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: >> 2) If such an issue should be discovered, Novell will back up the Linux >> side with their patent-portfolio, which (cough) *could* (cough) be an >> expensive experience for the attacker. > >Novell would back linux if they can

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Patents on some Linux OS code

2004-12-08 Thread Paul Davis
>> 4) The end user is not responsible for what patent issues the producer >> might get involved with. > >Many companies thinks that it is, the SCO vs DaimlerCrysler case (because of >they use Linux) is an example, that case is because of copyright but surely >will be many like that because of pat

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Patents on some Linux OS code

2004-12-08 Thread Pall Thayer
Actually, if I recall correctly, SCO vs Daimler is a breach of contract case. They're suing Daimler Chrysler because they failed to send info on their use of Unix as per the contract at the time, however DC hasn't used the system for several years. Pedro Lozano wrote: I think all your points ar

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Patents on some Linux OS code

2004-12-08 Thread Pedro Lozano
I think all your points are wrong: 1) There is currently no valid patent issues with Linux. So there is no issues to be resolved either. If MS has patented things so stupid like the double click (http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/04/06/02/258.shtml?tid=109&tid=155&tid=187&tid=99) I bet there are ma

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Patents on some Linux OS code

2004-12-08 Thread james
On Wed, 08 Dec, 2004 at 05:17PM +0100, Jens M Andreasen spake thus: > The keyword here is *could*. It is an empty threat. > > 1) There is currently no valid patent issues with Linux. So there is no > issues to be resolved either. > > 2) If such an issue should be discovered, Novell will back up t

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Patents on some Linux OS code

2004-12-08 Thread Jens M Andreasen
The keyword here is *could*. It is an empty threat. 1) There is currently no valid patent issues with Linux. So there is no issues to be resolved either. 2) If such an issue should be discovered, Novell will back up the Linux side with their patent-portfolio, which (cough) *could* (cough) be an e

Re: [linux-audio-dev] nice [was: jack, low latency and IO]

2004-12-08 Thread Jack O'Quin
Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 2004-12-07 at 20:34 +0100, Jens M Andreasen wrote: > > Jack has been distributed with Mandrake 10.1 without the realtime > > module. So it only runs as root by default here, and then still being > > severely disturbed by the underlying journaling fi

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Patents on some Linux OS code

2004-12-08 Thread Lee Revell
On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 08:28 -0600, Cornell III, Howard M wrote: > The 11/22 issue of Computerworld has a blurb about Microsoft CEO Steve > Ballmer warning government leaders in Singapore that switching their > 20,000 PCs from Windows to Linux could subject them to patent lawsuits. > I have heard so

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ssm2

2004-12-08 Thread Dave Griffiths
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 16:41:24 +0100, Mario Lang wrote > Steve Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I'm pretty sure someone else is working on something like this, OSC driven > > UI, modules as LADSPA plugins, cant remeber the name though. > > Its called Om, and AFAIK maintained by drobilla on

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ssm2

2004-12-08 Thread Mario Lang
Steve Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm pretty sure someone else is working on something like this, OSC driven > UI, modules as LADSPA plugins, cant remeber the name though. Its called Om, and AFAIK maintained by drobilla on #lad. It has a very cool design, UI agnostic and all. Go Om, go

[linux-audio-dev] Patents on some Linux OS code

2004-12-08 Thread Cornell III, Howard M
All, The 11/22 issue of Computerworld has a blurb about Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer warning government leaders in Singapore that switching their 20,000 PCs from Windows to Linux could subject them to patent lawsuits. I have heard some tales about commercial versions of Linux including indemnifi

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [ann] caps 0.2.0

2004-12-08 Thread Tim Goetze
[Jens M Andreasen] >P: That thunder rumble turned into a tin-can when I watched the show > at my mother-in-laws, how is that? A lovely story. However ... >E: (mumble, mumble) Ehrmm ... I started the widening you wanted with a > chorus/flanger, but before I had time to finish the job, we went

Re: [linux-audio-dev] ssm2

2004-12-08 Thread Steve Harris
I'm pretty sure someone else is working on something like this, OSC driven UI, modules as LADSPA plugins, cant remeber the name though. DSSI might be better for some SSM modules, it allows bulk data transfer from UI->plugin and a couple of other things you might need. - Steve On Wed, Dec 08, 200

[linux-audio-dev] ssm2

2004-12-08 Thread Dave Griffiths
Hi all, Just a quick note that we are currently considering starting a new version of spiralsynthmodular from scratch (well almost) that will at first take the form of a osc server/jack client that will load and connect ladspa plugins together. Just wondering if anyone has an idea of an osc prot