Re: [linux-audio-dev] Juce now has ALSA support!

2006-03-02 Thread David Olofson
On Friday 03 March 2006 02:38, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 21:40 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > > its presentation of a multiplicity of programming models > > How would you solve this? Make people who insist on a > read()/write() > interface go through the OSS emulation layer? Would y

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Juce now has ALSA support!

2006-03-02 Thread Lee Revell
On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 21:40 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > its presentation of a multiplicity of programming models How would you solve this? Make people who insist on a read()/write() interface go through the OSS emulation layer? Would you remove everything but the mmap() interface? The callback i

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Juce now has ALSA support!

2006-03-02 Thread David Kastrup
"Richard Spindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > 2006/3/2, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> No, that's not what we are arguing, at least how I understood it. The >> topic was not complexity but accessibility. If it is impossible to >> find explanations, stuff is hard to do. A well-document

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Juce now has ALSA support!

2006-03-02 Thread Richard Spindler
2006/3/2, David Kastrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > No, that's not what we are arguing, at least how I understood it. The > topic was not complexity but accessibility. If it is impossible to > find explanations, stuff is hard to do. A well-documented crummy > interface can be easier to work with than

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Juce now has ALSA support!

2006-03-02 Thread David Kastrup
Jussi Laako <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I somehow find this a bit funny. OSS has been dealing with these > things at driver level and hiding the complexity pretty well. And it > also works for pro cards like my Delta1010. First it was argued that > there wasn't enough control and ALSA was better

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Juce now has ALSA support!

2006-03-02 Thread Jussi Laako
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 09:17 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > the framebuffer") was remarkably complex to do. ALSA strikes me as much > the same way, at every level, from the kernel API, to libasound, to user > space utilities. > one could argue, as Lee has done, that people (programmers, users) > should

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Juce now has ALSA support!

2006-03-02 Thread Paul Davis
> > no, it would provide names like > > > > MOTU 828 mkII channel 1+2 > > RME HDSP (#1) > > Builtin Audio > > > > to the user. > > > > it would also fix a myriad of other problems in ALSA, such as its > > reliance on interrupts that occur at regular sample-based intervals, > > > Can

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Juce now has ALSA support!

2006-03-02 Thread Alfons Adriaensen
On Thu, Mar 02, 2006 at 12:59:12PM +, James Courtier-Dutton wrote: > If you don't like the current documentation, you are welcome to improve it. > Just update the wiki. I'd be happy to, if only I could just be a bit more confident about my own knowledge. Currently I'm really in no position to

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Juce now has ALSA support!

2006-03-02 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
Alfons Adriaensen wrote: On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 11:07:17PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: I am not asking for a solution. I am asking for a clue. The man page to aplay does not mention what a PCM actually is. It just tells you to list them with -L. This is my main gripe with ALSA doc

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Juce now has ALSA support!

2006-03-02 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
Paul Davis wrote: On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:28 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:18 -0500, Paul Davis wrote: now that's what i call a sick joke. if only i had more time, i'd be writing CoreAudio for linux right this very second. Which would magically make 5 zill

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Juce now has ALSA support!

2006-03-02 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
Paul Davis wrote: aplay -D spdif:1 -f cdr /tmp/mnt/wo1.dat ALSA lib confmisc.c:990:(snd_func_refer) Unable to find definition 'cards.USB-Audio.pcm.iec958.0:CARD=1,AES0=4,AES1=130,AES2=0,AES3=2' ALSA lib conf.c:3479:(_snd_config_evaluate) function snd_func_refer returned error: No such file or d

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Juce now has ALSA support!

2006-03-02 Thread Alfons Adriaensen
On Wed, Mar 01, 2006 at 11:07:17PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > I am not asking for a solution. I am asking for a clue. The man page > to aplay does not mention what a PCM actually is. It just tells you > to list them with -L. This is my main gripe with ALSA documentation: it often uses terms

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Juce now has ALSA support!

2006-03-02 Thread Andy Wingo
Hi, On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:04 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 22:48 +0100, Christoph Eckert wrote: > > * alsaconf has done a really great job in the past, but meanwhile I see > > the need for a replacement which can handle more than one card, support > > USB (and in the future