[linux-audio-dev] Re: NAB trade show

2006-05-02 Thread Ben Loftis
> > So what did you see? > Not much honestly. Digi was demo'ing the new version of PT but they are just playing catchup with the innovative companies at this point. The coolest thing at the show was definitely Ardour, which we were using as a playback and recording machine for our mixing cons

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA 2

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Robillard
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 20:32 +0100, Steve Harris wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 03:49:59 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > > > Further, you can't really remove all of this data. Most of it > > > will be required by the plugin code itself, and you can't expect > > > it to go and read it from the RDF.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA2: logarithmic hint

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Robillard
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 21:07 +0200, fons adriaensen wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 02:47:37PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > > note: the hint didn't say "exponential". it said "logarithmic". > > If V represents the value sent to the port, and P the corresponding > widget position, it means that th

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA2: logarithmic hint

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Robillard
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 17:21 +0100, Steve Harris wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 12:15:20PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 17:57 +0200, Alfons Adriaensen wrote: > > > I can't imagine any sane interface standard for audio controls without a > > > way to say that the natural way t

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA 2

2006-05-02 Thread Steve Harris
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 03:49:59 -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > > Further, you can't really remove all of this data. Most of it > > will be required by the plugin code itself, and you can't expect > > it to go and read it from the RDF. > > Since the plugin author writes both and they are strongly

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Todays changes to "LADSPA2" strawman

2006-05-02 Thread Steve Harris
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 02:34:20 -0400, Phil Frost wrote: > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 10:27:56PM +0100, Steve Harris wrote: > > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 11:24:03PM +0200, Lars Luthman wrote: > > > Do you mean that the plugin should dlopen the host? Wouldn't that > > > require some way to pass the path

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA2: logarithmic hint

2006-05-02 Thread Steve Harris
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 07:21:31 +0200, fons adriaensen wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 05:21:44PM +0100, Steve Harris wrote: > > > "this goes from 0Hz to fs/2Hz, and I want it to be logarithmic", > > That's a contradiction. Yes, quite, but the only other option is to express it as a fraction o

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA2: logarithmic hint

2006-05-02 Thread Steve Harris
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 09:07:47 +0200, fons adriaensen wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 02:47:37PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > > note: the hint didn't say "exponential". it said "logarithmic". > > If V represents the value sent to the port, and P the corresponding > widget position, it means th

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA 2

2006-05-02 Thread Dave Robillard
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 13:50 +0200, Alfons Adriaensen wrote: > On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 05:58:08PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > > > > You are completely missing the entire point of LADSPA2. All the > > unecessary data has been removed from the header file (ie the plugin > > code). > > > > Look

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA2: logarithmic hint

2006-05-02 Thread fons adriaensen
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 02:47:37PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > note: the hint didn't say "exponential". it said "logarithmic". If V represents the value sent to the port, and P the corresponding widget position, it means that the function V -> P should be logarithmic wich is the same as saying tha

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA2: logarithmic hint

2006-05-02 Thread Paul Davis
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 19:19 +0200, fons adriaensen wrote: > On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 12:15:20PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > > saying that the port range is exponential doesn't pin it down very much. > > it still requires the host to make decisions about precisely what kind > > of exponential curve

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Todays changes to "LADSPA2" strawman

2006-05-02 Thread Phil Frost
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 10:27:56PM +0100, Steve Harris wrote: > On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 11:24:03PM +0200, Lars Luthman wrote: > > Do you mean that the plugin should dlopen the host? Wouldn't that > > require some way to pass the path to the host program to the plugin (in > > which case you might as

Re: [linux-audio-dev] NAB trade show

2006-05-02 Thread Joshua Boyd
On Thu, Apr 20, 2006 at 10:01:32AM -0500, Ben Loftis wrote: > I am going to be at the NAB show in Las Vegas this week. Any other LAD's > planning to be there? So what did you see? I was there, but I had left by the time you sent this (I was on a set up crew). The only audio gear I really got

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA2: logarithmic hint

2006-05-02 Thread fons adriaensen
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 05:21:44PM +0100, Steve Harris wrote: > "this goes from 0Hz to fs/2Hz, and I want it to be logarithmic", That's a contradiction. -- FA Follie! Follie! Delirio vano e' questo!

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA2: logarithmic hint

2006-05-02 Thread fons adriaensen
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 12:15:20PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > saying that the port range is exponential doesn't pin it down very much. > it still requires the host to make decisions about precisely what kind > of exponential curve to use for the range, and it may get it wrong. It does pin it dow

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA2: logarithmic hint

2006-05-02 Thread Steve Harris
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 12:15:20PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 17:57 +0200, Alfons Adriaensen wrote: > > I can't imagine any sane interface standard for audio controls without a > > way to say that the natural way to represent a port's range is exponential. > > saying that the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA2: logarithmic hint

2006-05-02 Thread Paul Davis
On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 17:57 +0200, Alfons Adriaensen wrote: > I can't imagine any sane interface standard for audio controls without a > way to say that the natural way to represent a port's range is exponential. saying that the port range is exponential doesn't pin it down very much. it still req

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA2: logarithmic hint

2006-05-02 Thread Alfons Adriaensen
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 01:00:04AM +, carmen wrote: > > It's not possible for a host to know how to scale a port from just the unit > > labeling. Unit labeling and input value scaling are independent, in fact > > are completely orthogonal except in certain conventional cases like > > IEC for

Re: [linux-audio-dev] LADSPA 2

2006-05-02 Thread Alfons Adriaensen
On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 05:58:08PM -0400, Dave Robillard wrote: > You are completely missing the entire point of LADSPA2. All the > unecessary data has been removed from the header file (ie the plugin > code). > > Look at the example plugin's code, it will be painfully obvious what the > advant

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Todays changes to "LADSPA2" strawman

2006-05-02 Thread Steve Harris
On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 11:33:40PM +0200, Lars Luthman wrote: > > I mean the linker should do it. If you dynamically build the plugin > > against a stub library and the host exports something with the same ABI, I > > /think/ the plugin should have the host's version of the function in its > > names