Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-31 Thread Steve Harris
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 02:30:53 -0800, Paul Winkler wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 10:30:48PM +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: it seems hard to come up with a wave shaper that favours higher harmonics, i've tried some in the past few days. maybe you're not filtering enough? Thats definatly

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-31 Thread Steve Harris
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 10:30:48 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: i've been mucking around a little but it seems real hard to make the harmonics fit, especially with such a wide range of possible mixes being aimed at. Yup. Hey, if it was easy, everyone would be doing it ;) I was planning to vary

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-30 Thread Paul Winkler
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 03:22:35PM +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: in fact there are some pretty good analog stomp boxes out there that sound really valvy. i bet they make use of FETs then. Nearly every stomp box tube distortion i've ever opened, or looked at a circuit for, uses diodes for clipping.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-30 Thread Steve Harris
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 03:22:35 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: comparing the frequency spectra of our setup to the amp output reveals that there is quite a difference. it is visible at low gain settings and, as expected, becomes emphasized at higher distortion levels. the amp output frequency

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-30 Thread Steve Harris
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 06:11:11 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: Steve Harris wrote: Thanks for doing that, I haven't had the time. Can you produce a spectrum plot for the current s/w chain? http://quitte.de/sine-spectrum.gif http://quitte.de/straight-spectrum.gif The sine spectrum looks pretty

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-30 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: http://quitte.de/sine-spectrum.gif http://quitte.de/straight-spectrum.gif The sine spectrum looks pretty close to me, except that some of the low harmonics are too high, probasbly cutting back some of the parameters to the valve would fix this. i've been mucking around a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-30 Thread Paul Winkler
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 10:30:48PM +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: it seems hard to come up with a wave shaper that favours higher harmonics, i've tried some in the past few days. maybe you're not filtering enough? i was just reading about the Ibanez TubeScreamer circuit, its clipping stage is quite

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-29 Thread Steve Harris
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 12:18:23 +0100, Frank van de Pol wrote: looking at the distorted signal it look to me like an amp that is clipping, but it's power supply can't maintain the voltage (eg. relatively high impendance on the powersupply/series resistance). While +ve or -ve side of the

Re: [OT] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-29 Thread Tim Goetze
Lea Anthony wrote: Talking of Tubes, does anyone know where I can get cheap GrooveTubes? I have a Digitech TwinTube preamp and one (maybe both) of the tubes have blown. Pref in UK... use sovtek or other cheap ones. groove tubes are simply relabeled russian, czech or chinese production (this is

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-29 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 12:18:23 +0100, Frank van de Pol wrote: looking at the distorted signal it look to me like an amp that is clipping, but it's power supply can't maintain the voltage (eg. relatively high impendance on the powersupply/series resistance). While +ve or

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-29 Thread Steve Harris
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 02:20:32 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: i've uploaded another image showing how the line output from the amp changes as the incoming sine increases in volume: http://quitte.de/3x-driven.gif admit i hope that frank's explanation holds, and that the valve_rect can be

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-29 Thread Lamar Owen
On Monday 28 October 2002 05:33 pm, Steve Harris wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 10:37:18 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: it shows my badly-driven fender amp's line output (top) vs. the sine wave it was fed at the same time. i'm wondering how come the output overshoots every time the input crosses

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-29 Thread Lamar Owen
On Tuesday 29 October 2002 10:27 am, Steve Harris wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 02:20:32 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: i've uploaded another image showing how the line output from the amp changes as the incoming sine increases in volume: http://quitte.de/3x-driven.gif admit i hope that

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Steve Harris
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 02:41:08 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: http://quitte.de/easy.mp3 That sounds pretty good. The attack sounds a bit muted to me though, is that deliberate or should it have more bite? Yeah, fix the rectifier. I had a quick look at it and it looks like I did something fairly

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Steve Harris
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 02:12:02 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: the longer the wave is on one side of zero, the more energy is built up that tries to push it back. as long as the system is fed enough energy to keep it this side of zero, it is basically decaying exponentially against a (more-or-less)

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Steve Harris
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 10:05:24 -0500, David Gerard Matthews wrote: Some people also like to stick a mic right between the two cones of a 2-driver amp. Miking an open cab from behind is also a popular trick - it yields a completely different tone. Now you're just being difficult ;) -

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Steve Harris
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 04:33:26 -0800, Paul Winkler wrote: 1, 2, and 4 are the most common. It's common to only mic 1 of the cones, pretty close up - but it's also common to do any bizarre combination of mics and placements you can think of. Yup, but for starters, one dynamic mic at a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Tim Goetze
Paul Winkler wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 02:12:02AM +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: the longer the wave is on one side of zero, the more energy is built up that tries to push it back. Is it just me, or does that sound an awful lot like a hipass filter? this one is supposed to be nonlinear, and

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Tim Goetze
Paul Winkler wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 02:41:08AM +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: make that pref 200 Hz for me. this and the sine shaper at .4, and tell you what, this sounds very much like, but in fact better to me than the sound i play 90% of the time on the real thing. only drawback is it

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 02:41:08 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: http://quitte.de/easy.mp3 That sounds pretty good. The attack sounds a bit muted to me though, is that deliberate or should it have more bite? it could do with a little more bite, yes. it's the neck pickup with the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Steve Harris
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 01:56:34 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: how are you plugging in your guitar? if it's a guitar with passive electronics and you're going straight to the A/D converter, i'd expect it to be overly sensitive to the volume control. yes, it's passive, two humbuckers. it's going

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Steve Harris
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 01:30:49 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: it's an interesting pov though, in fact i've been thinking about algorithms that work like IIR filters (that are often used for HP/BP/LP) with the addition of nonlinear terms for recreating the tube distortion. the maths of such a thing

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 01:56:34 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: how are you plugging in your guitar? if it's a guitar with passive electronics and you're going straight to the A/D converter, i'd expect it to be overly sensitive to the volume control. yes, it's passive, two

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Paul Winkler
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 03:37:36PM +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: Thats something that worried me, I seem to remeber that the sound of a guitar changes if its not impedance matched with the AD converter. I'm pretty sure, mine doesn't match passive guitars. My bass is active though, and I dont have

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone (fwd)

2002-10-28 Thread Tim Goetze
apologies if this reaches you twice, it seems to have been swallowed by that big black hole in the center of the net. -- Forwarded message -- Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone From: Tim Goetze [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 28

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 01:56:34 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: how are you plugging in your guitar? if it's a guitar with passive electronics and you're going straight to the A/D converter, i'd expect it to be overly sensitive to the volume control. yes, it's passive, two

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Steve Harris
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 05:53:26 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: make interesting non-linear filters by using different parameters for the different halves of the wave cycle. This is what makes the gong sound gongy (waveguide_nl.h). It could also apply to cone modelling, as the characteristics of the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Tom
Thats something that worried me, I seem to remeber that the sound of a guitar changes if its not impedance matched with the AD converter. I'm pretty sure, mine doesn't match passive guitars. My bass is active though, and I dont have any DI boxes, so no choice anyway. likewise here.

[OT] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Steve Harris
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 09:50:52 -0800, Tom wrote: I vaguely remember reading about some inexpensive a/d boxes that have built in mic pre's and a switch for high impedance instruments, but I don't remember their names. I use an active direct box. OK, can someone recommend a DI box I can buy

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: I don't know its hard to seperate phase effects from waveshaping, thats why it needs FFTing. Onve we have the aproximate harmonic series we can simulate that with a cheby, and if neccesary put the phase back with an allpass or two. ok, i'm slowly beginning to understand this

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: That is a side effect of class B amps IIRC. I would have though that preamps would be class A, but maybe not. they are, afaik. you're right, it's a property of class B. still my amp's preamp stage shapes the lower half differently (less) than the top. i'm still trying to

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Lamar Owen
[Note: I've only been loosely following this thread, but this message caught my broadcast engineer eye, being that I work with tube gear nearly daily.] On Monday 28 October 2002 01:55 pm, Tim Goetze wrote: Steve Harris wrote: That is a side effect of class B amps IIRC. I would have though that

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread David Gerard Matthews
Steve Harris wrote: Thats something that worried me, I seem to remeber that the sound of a guitar changes if its not impedance matched with the AD converter. I'm pretty sure, mine doesn't match passive guitars. My bass is active though, and I dont have any DI boxes, so no choice anyway. Yeah,

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Steve Harris
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 07:42:04 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: I don't know its hard to seperate phase effects from waveshaping, thats why it needs FFTing. Onve we have the aproximate harmonic series we can simulate that with a cheby, and if neccesary put the phase back with an allpass or two.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Steve Harris
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 10:37:18 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: it shows my badly-driven fender amp's line output (top) vs. the sine wave it was fed at the same time. i'm wondering how come the output overshoots every time the input crosses zero. trying to model this I dont think it does, I still

Re: [OT] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread David Gerard Matthews
Steve Harris wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 09:50:52 -0800, Tom wrote: OK, can someone recommend a DI box I can buy in europe for a reasonable ammount of money? Studiospares lists a range from E50 (behringer) to E460 (MTR) +tax. 19 and XLR output is perferable, but I can live without either.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: The chebyshev is a way of generating specific harmonics, eg. you can output the fundamental + the 2nd harmonic at -6dB, the 4th at -16, the 6th at -21, etc. You can't easily control the phase though. gee, i remember. i've just taken a look at harmonic_gen_1220, this must be

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Frank van de Pol
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 10:37:18PM +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: i'm sure frequency responses and Vin/Vout mappings for common amp tubes (EL34 comes to mind, too) would be very helpful, but can i ask you to take a look at http://quitte.de/driven.gif first? it shows my badly-driven fender

Re: [OT] Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-28 Thread Lea Anthony
Talking of Tubes, does anyone know where I can get cheap GrooveTubes? I have a Digitech TwinTube preamp and one (maybe both) of the tubes have blown. Pref in UK... Cheers, -Lea. On Mon, 2002-10-28 at 22:35, David Gerard Matthews wrote: I use a PreSonus BlueTube - stereo, comb DI/mic pre, with

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Harris
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 12:23:28 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: that is great to hear! i can almost see the box glowing from the heat when the valves are turned on. the iir 'convolver', btw, suffers greatly when competing for the cache with other plugins now (8-9% 64/44.1). think i'll try the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Harris
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 12:23:28 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: i've uploaded yet another recording, line-sine-16.flac, which contains the line out (left) and the sine that went in. seems our total transfer function until that point needs more work. Did you upload the right file? The left channel is

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 12:23:28 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: that is great to hear! i can almost see the box glowing from the heat when the valves are turned on. the iir 'convolver', btw, suffers greatly when competing for the cache with other plugins now (8-9% 64/44.1).

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 12:23:28 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: i've uploaded yet another recording, line-sine-16.flac, which contains the line out (left) and the sine that went in. seems our total transfer function until that point needs more work. Did you upload the right

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Tim Goetze
me wrote: Steve Harris wrote: Did you upload the right file? The left channel is clipped and the right doesn't look like a pure sinewave, we need to get an unclipped signal from the output stage for the FT to get the right results. still found some space for line-sine-2.wave -- another

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Harris
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 03:05:36 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: still found some space for line-sine-2.wave -- another recording from the same sources, uncompressed this time. That looks better. I dont know what was wrong with the flac file, the others all came out OK. I have a reasonable bass

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Harris
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 02:41:17 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: used for all the stages, I suspect a chebychev would be better for the output, it would also alow us to model different amps with the same code. forgot to ask ... you mean emulate a 'preamp', filter and apply a 'power amp' [and

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: I have a reasonable bass sound now: ecasound -i jack_alsa,in_1 -o jack_alsa,out_1 -el:valve,0.6,0.7 -efh:25 -el:inv -el:valveRect,0.5,0.6 -el:inv -el:sinusWavewrapper,2 -el:valve,0.7,0.8 -efh:30 -el:unmatched i take -efh:25 to mean 25 Hz hipass ... looking at the filter code

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: forgot to ask ... you mean emulate a 'preamp', filter and apply a 'power amp' [and filter again] and a 'cabinet' stage i guess? Yes, I'm not sure what the interrealtion between the cabinet and code is though - I think a simple cabinet delay line + your IIR filter would be

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Paul Winkler
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 02:41:17PM +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: forgot to ask ... you mean emulate a 'preamp', filter and apply a 'power amp' [and filter again] and a 'cabinet' stage i guess? You forgot a couple - then there's the mic, the mic placement, and the room... there's no end to the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Tim Goetze
Paul Winkler wrote: On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 02:41:17PM +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: forgot to ask ... you mean emulate a 'preamp', filter and apply a 'power amp' [and filter again] and a 'cabinet' stage i guess? You forgot a couple - then there's the mic, the mic placement, and the room...

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: ecasound -i jack_alsa,in_1 -o jack_alsa,out_1 -el:valve,0.6,0.7 -efh:25 -el:inv -el:valveRect,0.5,0.6 -el:inv -el:sinusWavewrapper,2 -el:valve,0.7,0.8 -efh:30 -el:unmatched god save our glorious steve! this is really beginning to sound like an amp. i've found it sounds better

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Paul Winkler
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 09:04:42PM +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: Paul Winkler wrote: On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 02:41:17PM +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: forgot to ask ... you mean emulate a 'preamp', filter and apply a 'power amp' [and filter again] and a 'cabinet' stage i guess? You forgot a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Harris
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 06:19:24 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: i take -efh:25 to mean 25 Hz hipass ... looking at the filter code in there right now. i still need your new valve and rect implementations to evaluate the right thing. They dont sound different AFAIK, they are mathematically the same.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Steve Harris
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 08:58:10 +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: ecasound -i jack_alsa,in_1 -o jack_alsa,out_1 -el:valve,0.6,0.7 -efh:25 -el:inv -el:valveRect,0.5,0.6 -el:inv -el:sinusWavewrapper,2 -el:valve,0.7,0.8 -efh:30 -el:unmatched god save our glorious steve! this is really beginning to

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Paul Winkler
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 11:03:23PM +, Steve Harris wrote: Whats a typical arangement for speaker cones? I remeber seeing single cone (obviously) and 2x2. 1, 2, and 4 are the most common. It's common to only mic 1 of the cones, pretty close up - but it's also common to do any bizarre

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: Cheers :) I have no real idea what it shouldsound like, so I just tweaked it until it sounded OK. I think the key is the sinus, it gives the double dump from the british amp scope-shot. /me plays another one, about britannia ruling the waves ... make that

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: code in there right now. i still need your new valve and rect implementations to evaluate the right thing. They dont sound different AFAIK, they are mathematically the same. it's an ideal case of exp2 approximation then. :) still some higher-order harmonics missing, i

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Paul Winkler
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 02:12:02AM +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: the longer the wave is on one side of zero, the more energy is built up that tries to push it back. Is it just me, or does that sound an awful lot like a hipass filter? -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com Welcome to Muppet Labs,

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Paul Winkler
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 02:41:08AM +0100, Tim Goetze wrote: make that pref 200 Hz for me. this and the sine shaper at .4, and tell you what, this sounds very much like, but in fact better to me than the sound i play 90% of the time on the real thing. only drawback is it becomes faint far too

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread David Gerard Matthews
Paul Winkler wrote: On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 11:03:23PM +, Steve Harris wrote: Whats a typical arangement for speaker cones? I remeber seeing single cone (obviously) and 2x2. 1, 2, and 4 are the most common. It's common to only mic 1 of the cones, pretty close up - but it's also common

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-27 Thread Paul Winkler
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 10:05:24PM -0500, David Gerard Matthews wrote: Miking an open cab from behind is also a popular trick - it yields a completely different tone. Some people also put mics in front and behind the cabinet and flip the phase on one of them. But let's leave poor Steve alone

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-26 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 12:47:53 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: the neck, usually placed exactly where the second octave is on an over-sized fretboard, has far less dominant harmonics than Cheers, I really should learn how to play the thing sometime. i've found playing along

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-26 Thread Steve Harris
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 05:53:53 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: Maybe, or maybe the valve reacts to transients in some way - that could partly be a side effect of the HP filter, emphasised by some valve effect we haven't modelled yet. i think that what we are missing is this transition from hard

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-26 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: can you drop a hint about how you came up with the valve algorithm? I didn't, it came from a paper, one of the COST6 ones I think. can't seem to find a trace of cost6 with google. do you remember where you dug it up? tim

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-26 Thread Steve Harris
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 08:08:29 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: I didn't, it came from a paper, one of the COST6 ones I think. can't seem to find a trace of cost6 with google. do you remember where you dug it up? I think I've found it, Ragnar Bendiksen's thesis:

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-26 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: but it doesn't look that familiar, and I can't read norwegian, so maybe there is a translation out there. Definately the same code though. i can decipher some (danish and swedish, though i could not tell one from the other :), but it doesn't seem to contain anything you

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-25 Thread Tim Goetze
Paul Winkler wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 05:31:04PM +0100, Steve Harris wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 08:23:32 -0700, Paul Winkler wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 08:41:36AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote: Looking at the scope traces from that guys site (which I will read later today),

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-25 Thread Tim Goetze
Tom wrote: This pseudo-knowledge comes from a distant dream of having studied impulse, step, and ramp responses of analog circuits 20+ years ago. thanks for looking into this. tim

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-25 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 05:32:22 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: I suspect this dip is some kind of reflection from the limit, but I can't tell without trying one. you mean you intend to change valve to have adjustable slope where it compresses? sounds good, if that is what

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-25 Thread Steve Harris
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 10:15:20 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: Nope, that would be hard ;) I was thinking of having a second, hard clipping alg. and bringing that in for high ampltudes. oh yes, please keep on bringing them on. OK, I have some pending (easy) improvements to the meters, then I'l

RE: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-25 Thread Mark Knecht
: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone Steve Harris wrote: * the sound gets muddy and faint when you turn down the volume at the instrument, instead of keeping loudness and reducing distortion.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-25 Thread Paul Winkler
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 10:11:02PM +0100, Steve Harris wrote: OK, time for a quick lesson - whats the difference between the pickups? My bass (cheapish active 4 string) has two sets, a single wide one and a pair slightly offset (they say duncan on them FWIW). There is a knob that, I think

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-25 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 10:15:20 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: Nope, that would be hard ;) I was thinking of having a second, hard clipping alg. and bringing that in for high ampltudes. oh yes, please keep on bringing them on. OK, I have some pending (easy) improvements to

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-25 Thread Steve Harris
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 12:47:53 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: the neck, usually placed exactly where the second octave is on an over-sized fretboard, has far less dominant harmonics than Cheers, I really should learn how to play the thing sometime. * the attack phase is 'flat', compared to the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Steve Harris
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 02:02:51 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: 603k! ah well i needed a fresh set anyway, you changed the plate since .2.8, right? Yes, though it could still do with some work. I'm not sure what exactly, I've never played with a real plate. Its a physical model, and they can be

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Steve Harris
On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 05:24:48 -0700, Paul Winkler wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 12:45:27AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote: No, it will not be bandlimited. I'l have to think about how to do this. Maybe just by using an oversampled Chebyshev(sp?) and increasing harmonic level with the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Steve Harris
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 01:50:29 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: ah, now i dig it. maybe you could make a note about the intended use in the valve doc? Yeah, I should probably do that. Documentation (well english in general!) is not my strong point. good. do you think the 44100/12 oscillation is a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Steve Harris
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 01:50:29 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: Steve Harris wrote: Stacking the valve plugins is the key to making them sound interesting. ah, now i dig it. maybe you could make a note about the intended use in the valve doc? Er, one more. There is also the valve rectifier

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Lea Anthony
On Thu, 2002-10-24 at 08:41, Steve Harris wrote: Its not that suprising, it seems to be one of the things that gives 303's there distinctive bite, and might play well with further waveshaping stages. Talking of 303s, how come Freebirth had to be pulled? I heard propellerheads threatened them

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Lea Anthony
On Thu, 2002-10-24 at 01:12, Tim Goetze wrote: Lea Anthony wrote: Have you guys heard amplitube? Man, those sounds rock! haven't heard it yet, no. if you happen to use it, it'd be very interesting to hear how much cpu load the different sub-modules generate. It's a windows app so I

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Steve Harris
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 10:02:02 +0100, Lea Anthony wrote: Talking of 303s, how come Freebirth had to be pulled? I heard propellerheads threatened them as they had copied their layout. Which begs the question, why isn't Roland suing P/heads for copying the layout of the 303/808/909 I

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Steve Harris
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 10:05:49 +0100, Lea Anthony wrote: Also, I must ask this, how much of the LAD stuff is designed with 32bit audio in mind? I ask because that's what I work in, then dither down to 16bit when mastering. My code it is all at least 32bit internally (much is 64bit) and all

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Lea Anthony
That's great news! For some reason I was thinking that most LAD stuff works in 44.1/16 which really isn't the best for professional audio. I only dither down when mastering to a CD. Hmm.. ok. Does anyone go up to 96Khz sampling? Just trying to get a feel what people see as acceptable etc.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Steve Harris
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 10:02:02 +0100, Lea Anthony wrote: Talking of 303s, how come Freebirth had to be pulled? I heard And it wasn't Freebirth (which is still going AFAIK) it was reborn. - Steve

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Steve Harris
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 10:52:06 +0100, Lea Anthony wrote: Hmm.. ok. Does anyone go up to 96Khz sampling? A few people do, yes. It eats through ADAT and TDIF channels very quicly though. PS: I never use 96Khz but I'm sure there are plenty who would want to use LAD technology for DVD

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Steve Harris
On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 09:01:03 -0400, Paul Davis wrote: Have you guys heard amplitube? Man, those sounds rock! seconded. i've heard amplitube and its amazing. if you have it, you can toss out every cabinet you've ever used except your favorite, just Hehe, thats what people said about bass

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Taybin Rutkin
On 24 Oct 2002, Lea Anthony wrote: That SUCKS big time. They want to use someone elses layout but then get pissy when someone uses theirs. Time to write an email :( Umm. You really should read the archives on this topic first. The discussion got rather out of hand and I'm pretty sure

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Lea Anthony
Sure. Where are they? -Lea. On Thu, 2002-10-24 at 12:00, Taybin Rutkin wrote: Umm. You really should read the archives on this topic first. The discussion got rather out of hand and I'm pretty sure all the bases were covered.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Tim Goetze
Lea Anthony wrote: On Thu, 2002-10-24 at 01:12, Tim Goetze wrote: Lea Anthony wrote: Have you guys heard amplitube? Man, those sounds rock! haven't heard it yet, no. if you happen to use it, it'd be very interesting to hear how much cpu load the different sub-modules generate. It's a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 01:50:29 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: ah, now i dig it. maybe you could make a note about the intended use in the valve doc? Yeah, I should probably do that. Documentation (well english in general!) is not my strong point. yeah, i guess we'd all be

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Tim Goetze
me wrote: Steve Harris wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 02:02:51 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: 603k! ah well i needed a fresh set anyway, you changed the plate since .2.8, right? Yes, though it could still do with some work. I'm not sure what exactly, I've never played with a real plate. Its a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Steve Harris
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 02:27:04 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: i like the .2.8 version as it stands (though iirc you said it didn't do what you intended it to). I dont think it sounds quite right, but maybe im expecting it to be more like a synthetic plate reverb, than an actual metal plate.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Steve Harris
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 01:19:20 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: I'm 90% sure its from the crossover between the two halves of the class B amp (thats the power amp IIRC). drat. i wish i was better at understanding electronics. the amp guy pointed in this direction too. Did he give the impression

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread nikodimka
my feeling is that oversampling alone will not do, although you're probably right in that it will get rid of most of the aliasing. Its how most people tackle to problem. I think I can get the valve cheap enough that it will be practical. I'm not really familiar with what are the techniques

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Tim Goetze
Steve Harris wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 01:19:20 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: I'm 90% sure its from the crossover between the two halves of the class B amp (thats the power amp IIRC). drat. i wish i was better at understanding electronics. the amp guy pointed in this direction too. Did he

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Tim Goetze
nikodimka wrote: You can calculate your tranformation for the input signal S(x_i) once And the same transformation for S(x_i)+1 again. I mean two similar input signals differing in one bit of value. So when you have two output saignals you can calculate the error due to aliasing: abs( F(S(x_i))

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Steve Harris
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 06:27:59 -0700, nikodimka wrote: You can calculate your tranformation for the input signal S(x_i) once And the same transformation for S(x_i)+1 again. Won't that just give you the gradient at point x_i, ie. d/dt(S)? We are talking about frequency domain aliasing here,

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Steve Harris
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 03:49:12 +0200, Tim Goetze wrote: I doubt that the electronics ever produces hard square clips. don't the scope traces suggest they do? i'll try and record the circuit output from the fender, it has line-out and fx send. They dont look very square to me, there is

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Tom
I'm really late on this one, but I finally looked at the linked waveforms. Here is what I see. Ignoring push-pull crossover distortion, there are basically two kinds of distortion happening. There are two stages to the amplification, a pre-amp and an output amp. The pre-amp provides soft

Re: [linux-audio-dev] [ann] unmatched - a LADSPA amp tone

2002-10-24 Thread Paul Winkler
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 05:31:04PM +0100, Steve Harris wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 08:23:32 -0700, Paul Winkler wrote: On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 08:41:36AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote: Looking at the scope traces from that guys site (which I will read later today), there is some fairly

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