Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-02-05 Thread Paul Davis
>So you take a widget library with a good canvas widget and you design a system >of metric/meter rulers that can be used to allign rectangular blocks along >horizontal lines (aka tracks). The blocks here are measures/staffs not piano >roll notes. >Multiple rulers are allowed, complex tempo maps s

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-02-04 Thread vanDongen/Gilcher
On Wednesday 02 February 2005 17:21, NadaSpam wrote: > I wanted to post this to the root of the thread since this isn't a reply to > any particular post, but I lost the beginning of the thread somehow. > > This is my initial stab at a development plan. I'm tentatively calling this > project Scortch

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-02-04 Thread Dave Griffiths
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 19:49:42 +, Chris Cannam wrote > On Wednesday 02 Feb 2005 19:02, Paul Davis wrote: > > I continue to think that this crazy. > > So do I. > > The design process at work here reminds me a lot of the way I > approached Rosegarden: look at how other applications work and what

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-02-02 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Wed, Feb 02, 2005 at 07:49:42PM +, Chris Cannam wrote: > For example, Rosegarden contains structure intended to support things > like arbitrary layout engines for editing; multiple different layouts > on the same music data; event-based systems that are not MIDI, and so > on. Yet becaus

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-02-02 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
NadaSpam writes: > This isn't meant to be the "ultimate music development system", perfect for > everyone's needs. Indeed. Can't you please also include score printing, so that we can stop LilyPond development and sleep in the sun all day? ;-) Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-02-02 Thread Chris Cannam
On Wednesday 02 Feb 2005 19:49, Chris Cannam wrote: > You should see some of our planning emails from five years ago, > excitedly talking about how we just had to do one or two generic bits > and bobs and the rest would simply fall into place. ... and five years ago we were already on our third it

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-02-02 Thread Chris Cannam
On Wednesday 02 Feb 2005 19:02, Paul Davis wrote: > I continue to think that this crazy. So do I. The design process at work here reminds me a lot of the way I approached Rosegarden: look at how other applications work and what they do, and then add in a few interesting generalisations to make

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-02-02 Thread Paul Davis
>I wanted to post this to the root of the thread since this isn't a reply to >any particular post, but I lost the beginning of the thread somehow. > >This is my initial stab at a development plan. I'm tentatively calling this >project Scortch. Because of fundamental differences in design, I don't

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-02-02 Thread Chris Cannam
On Wednesday 02 Feb 2005 17:21, NadaSpam wrote: > This is my initial stab at a development plan. I'm tentatively > calling this project Scortch. Scorch is a registered trademark of Sibelius. It's probably wise to avoid choosing a name that sounds the same. http://www.sibelius.com/products/sco

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-02-02 Thread NadaSpam
I wanted to post this to the root of the thread since this isn't a reply to any particular post, but I lost the beginning of the thread somehow. This is my initial stab at a development plan. I'm tentatively calling this project Scortch. Because of fundamental differences in design, I don't thin

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-01-31 Thread John Check
On Saturday 29 January 2005 09:24 pm, NadaSpam wrote: > Sorry if multiple copies of this appear. The spam filter doesn't like my > choice of titles. I've tried a few variations so far. > > I'm looking to develop a music editor/sequencer somewhat in the vein of > Cakewalk/Rosegarden, but looking mor

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-01-31 Thread Paul Winkler
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 06:53:05AM -0500, Paul Davis wrote: > but anyway, i just wanted to note that tracks don't have to be > considered as this kind of burden at all. when you get down to the > core of it, tracks are a grouping mechanism, that's all. agreed... > and they > don't group by using

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-01-31 Thread Paul Davis
>That said, I completely agree with Frank: the track concept is *very* >restricting when doing composition - you want to be able to define >relationships between objects not only by defining time links but >perhaps logical, statistical, etc... (that's why I use non-visual >software à la Csound, SC3

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-01-31 Thread Alfons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 11:52:08AM +0100, gerard van dongen wrote: > Is it difficult to write hooks that generate lilypond notation, or that > can read a lilypond notation file and generate OSC and/or MIDI or sounds > from that? Converting Lilypond to OSC/Midi should be possible. I wouldn't b

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-01-31 Thread Kevin Dahan
Le lundi 31 janvier 2005 à 09:55 +0100, Frank Barknecht a écrit : > Hallo, > Dave Robillard hat gesagt: // Dave Robillard wrote: > > > Abstraction is good - it makes improvement easy. The core of your > > engine shouldn't even know what "audio" or "MIDI" is. > > Maybe such an engine shouldn't e

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-01-31 Thread gerard van dongen
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 11:21:54 +0100, Alfons Adriaensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 10:30:44AM +, vanDongen/Gilcher wrote: SuperCollider is pretty much a synthesis engine as far as I know. With extensive support for algorithmic compositio of course, but doesn't seem to b

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-01-31 Thread Alfons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 10:30:44AM +, vanDongen/Gilcher wrote: > SuperCollider is pretty much a synthesis engine as far as I know. > With extensive support for algorithmic compositio of course, but doesn't > seem to be the "composers workspace" that is the ambition. It's two things (in separ

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-01-31 Thread Dave Phillips
vanDongen/Gilcher wrote: SuperCollider is pretty much a synthesis engine as far as I know. With extensive support for algorithmic compositio of course, but doesn't seem to be the "composers workspace" that is the ambition. SC3 certainly has enough "composition primitives" to keep a composer hap

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-01-31 Thread vanDongen/Gilcher
On Sunday 30 January 2005 10:54, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > If the answer is yes, and you want such a tool, then my pragmatic response > would be to bite the bullet and learn to use things like SuperCollider. > They wil give you complete freedom (and a hard time to exploit it), and > virtually compl

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-01-31 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Dave Robillard hat gesagt: // Dave Robillard wrote: > Abstraction is good - it makes improvement easy. The core of your > engine shouldn't even know what "audio" or "MIDI" is. Maybe such an engine shouldn't even know what a "track" is? I'm serious: For some years now I use a sequencing so

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-01-30 Thread Dave Robillard
On Sun, 2005-30-01 at 10:58 -0500, NadaSpam wrote: > My thought is of a system where MIDI, audio, etc. would be handled by plug-in > modules. In this way, new formats could be added. I'm not sure if a track of > type "algorithm" would be possible or not. I think an algorithmic section > within a

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-01-30 Thread NadaSpam
On Sunday 30 January 2005 05:54 am, you wrote: > On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 09:24:58PM -0500, NadaSpam wrote: > > End Notes for the Curious > > ... > > My degree is in applied mathematics. > > Since I am curious, are you also a musician or composer ? Would you be a > _user_ of the kind of system you p

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-01-30 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jan 29, 2005 at 09:24:58PM -0500, NadaSpam wrote: > End Notes for the Curious > ... > My degree is in applied mathematics. Since I am curious, are you also a musician or composer ? Would you be a _user_ of the kind of system you propose ? If the answer is yes, and you want such a tool, t

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-01-29 Thread Paul Davis
If you have several years to dedicate to this, go right ahead and have fun. Otherwise, I strongly and respectfully suggest you consider how to at least start from where Rosegarden already is. You could also help the Lilypond team on their work to create a GUI/WYSIWYG system for their tool. Even the

[linux-audio-dev] Developing a music editor/sequencer

2005-01-29 Thread NadaSpam
Sorry if multiple copies of this appear. The spam filter doesn't like my choice of titles. I've tried a few variations so far. I'm looking to develop a music editor/sequencer somewhat in the vein of Cakewalk/Rosegarden, but looking more towards the future of MIDI and audio capabilities. I've be