Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design + some OT stuff

2004-06-28 Thread Pete Bessman
At Sun, 27 Jun 2004 23:03:15 -0400, Pete Bessman wrote: > > That's a straw man. The original point was something to the effect > of "a volume knob which can only be operated after studying a manual > is an indication that the UI designer is a failure," although my > rendition is probably more cau

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design + some OT stuff

2004-06-28 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sun, Jun 27, 2004 at 11:03:15PM -0400, Pete Bessman wrote: > That's a straw man. The original point was something to the effect of > "a volume knob which can only be operated after studying a manual is > an indication that the UI designer is a failure," although my > rendition is probably more

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design + some OT stuff

2004-06-28 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 08:47:48AM +0200, Jens M Andreasen wrote: > Actually, in my house we speak latin only when we feel the urge to make > fun of people in badly need of a good argument. Out of house, of course, > we speak latin to make people feel stupid and stop argueing with us. I don't liv

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design + some OT stuff

2004-06-27 Thread Jens M Andreasen
On mån, 2004-06-28 at 01:22, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > If a manual is well written and explains both the concepts behind > an application and it's modus operandi, the answer is probably > 'yes'. At least I do. Latin? > > There have been some references, both direct and less direct, to > my 'st

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design + some OT stuff

2004-06-27 Thread Paul Davis
Pete Bessman wrote: [ ... ] Fons is an intelligent human being, and even if he is being somewhat more "elitist" than some may consider necessary, there is nothing gained by berating his viewpoint with sarcasm. >That's a straw man. The original point was something to the effect of >"a volu

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design + some OT stuff

2004-06-27 Thread Pete Bessman
At Mon, 28 Jun 2004 01:22:05 +0200, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > "... whenever we invite someone into the news studio, he has to make > his point in 12 seconds. If I know he can't, I will not even > consider him." Why not ? "Beacause it's bad TV, and our market share > will go down. Our viewers just

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design + some OT stuff

2004-06-27 Thread Jan Depner
On Sun, 2004-06-27 at 18:22, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > Going back to our original point: if a user is too lazy to read > a manual, I can't be bothered with his problem. And if someone > proclaims that aversion to reading documentation is 'normal', I > will disagree, and now you all know why.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design + some OT stuff

2004-06-27 Thread Lee Revell
On Sun, 2004-06-27 at 19:22, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > More and more, as an 'intellectual' I find myself in a position that > comes down to this: either you budge and dumb down, or you'll be > excluded. This is just one step from what happened during the Nazi > regime, the 'Cultural Revolution', or

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Knobs / widget design + some OT stuff

2004-06-27 Thread Fons Adriaensen
On Sat, Jun 26, 2004 at 09:58:19AM +0200, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > With regards to widgets, I stated that requiring the user > to read documetation in order to use a widget is not an > option. It was especialy about visualizing / hinting at > functionality. The fan-sliders without the fan graphi