Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread David Olofson
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 23:39, Lee Revell wrote: > On 1/31/07, David Olofson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That said, as you can't use all CPU time on a UP machine anyway, > > and > > as cache issues seem to make multithreaded processing virtually > > pointless (with the possible exception o

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Lee Revell
On 1/31/07, David Olofson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That said, as you can't use all CPU time on a UP machine anyway, and as cache issues seem to make multithreaded processing virtually pointless (with the possible exception of multicore CPUs), it's entirely possible that there is no real gain in

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread David Olofson
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 22:49, Lee Revell wrote: > On 1/31/07, David Olofson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There are a few hacks for RTAI and/or RTLinux, actually, but > > AFAIK, nothing for any serious hardware... (I did one myself a few > > years ago, for RTLinux and AudioPCI cards, IIRC.)

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Lee Revell
On 1/31/07, David Olofson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are a few hacks for RTAI and/or RTLinux, actually, but AFAIK, nothing for any serious hardware... (I did one myself a few years ago, for RTLinux and AudioPCI cards, IIRC.) There's no point these days - the 2.6 -rt kernel can already del

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread David Olofson
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 21:45, Paul Davis wrote: > On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 21:35 +0100, David Olofson wrote: > > On Wednesday 31 January 2007 21:02, Michael Ost wrote: > > [...] > > > We have a 32 sample setting (.7 msecs) in Receptor which I have > > > yet to see in a Windows driver. And it act

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Paul Davis
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 21:35 +0100, David Olofson wrote: > On Wednesday 31 January 2007 21:02, Michael Ost wrote: > [...] > > We have a 32 sample setting (.7 msecs) in Receptor which I have yet > > to see in a Windows driver. And it actually works with some plugins, > > even a large sampler like Syn

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread David Olofson
On Wednesday 31 January 2007 21:02, Michael Ost wrote: [...] > We have a 32 sample setting (.7 msecs) in Receptor which I have yet > to see in a Windows driver. And it actually works with some plugins, > even a large sampler like Synthogy Ivory --- if you don't try to > play too many notes. %) [...

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Michael Ost
"Frank Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nice point and this is the strength of OS. the problems are addressed far quicker than in Prop' software. Yes, that's good. Microsoft doesn't give a hoot about professional audio. We can actually tweak the OS, and Wine, to improve performance of our specific

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Michael Ost
Lee Revell wrote: However I didn't realize that you were using 2.4. 2.6 with the -rt patches should definitely give better latency than Windows. In fact it's capable of uselessly low latencies like 0.66ms on some hardware, which is exactly the kind of thing the marketing guys love ;-) We have

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Richard Spindler
2007/1/31, Michael Ost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Now it is time for a leap to a newer OS --- 2.4 isn't giving us SATA drive support and our Wine is getting old (vinegar? %). Our code could do Windows pretty easily. Should I push for that, or move to a newer Linux? I think there is no general answer,

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Lee Revell
On 1/31/07, Michael Ost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Now it is time for a leap to a newer OS --- 2.4 isn't giving us SATA drive support and our Wine is getting old (vinegar? %). Our code could do Windows pretty easily. Should I push for that, or move to a newer Linux? I would say it depends on ho

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Michael Ost
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 21:05 +, Bob Ham wrote: Further to that, something constructive: perhaps you could try telling your customers why *you* chose linux, rather than trying to find reasons to tell them *they* should. My reasons, from back in about 2000, were "cost" and "interesting". First

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Frank Smith
I would not rule out that Linux is found to perform worse under some circumstances. But that is ok. Adaptability is one of the strong points of open source, once we know the problems we can start fixing them. Nice point and this is the strength of OS. the problems are addressed far quicker than

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Frank Smith
Hi I can only give you a musicians 'real world' comment. I had Sonar on my XP box and used it a lot for multitracking. It was an a Athlon 3400 64 ( running 32 xp) 1 gig ram and an RME card for sound. It ran fine on the XP box but still had a few wobblies re dropout after about 10 tracks. Can I

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Dave Phillips
Greetings: Michael Gogins recently tested Csound5 with Windows XP Media Center Edition and with Ubuntu 6.10. His tests indicated that Linux was the slightly better performer, you can check out his post and commentary on the Csound mail list archive : http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Steve Harris
On 31 Jan 2007, at 14:06, Robin Gareus wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lars Luthman wrote: On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 13:54 +0100, Robin Gareus wrote: Cons; If "windows wants" it can perform better than a fully fledged rt-unix-kernel. - but that remains to be proven for Vi

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Robin Gareus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lars Luthman wrote: > On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 13:54 +0100, Robin Gareus wrote: >> Cons; >> If "windows wants" it can perform better than a fully fledged >> rt-unix-kernel. - but that remains to be proven for Vista! > > Are you saying that this is tru

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Lars Luthman
On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 13:54 +0100, Robin Gareus wrote: > Cons; > If "windows wants" it can perform better than a fully fledged > rt-unix-kernel. - but that remains to be proven for Vista! Are you saying that this is true for XP? Are there any references for that? --ll

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Robin Gareus
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Harris wrote: > > On 31 Jan 2007, at 11:27, Bob Ham wrote: >> [...] > > I don't think that's necessarily the case, just because Linux had better > RT performance in 2000 doesn't mean it still does today, with Vista and > general improvements.

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Steve Harris
On 31 Jan 2007, at 11:27, Bob Ham wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 23:30 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 09:18:06PM +, Bob Ham wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 21:05 +, Bob Ham wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 09:03 -0800, Michael Ost wrote: Can anyone suggest ways to com

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Bob Ham
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 23:30 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 09:18:06PM +, Bob Ham wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 21:05 +, Bob Ham wrote: > > > On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 09:03 -0800, Michael Ost wrote: > > > > Can anyone suggest ways to compare audio/midi performance

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-31 Thread Robert Jonsson
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev: On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 09:18:06PM +, Bob Ham wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 21:05 +, Bob Ham wrote: On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 09:03 -0800, Michael Ost wrote: Can anyone suggest ways to compare audio/midi performance between Linux and Windows that

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-30 Thread torbenh
On Tue, Jan 30, 2007 at 09:18:06PM +, Bob Ham wrote: > On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 21:05 +, Bob Ham wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 09:03 -0800, Michael Ost wrote: > > > Can anyone suggest ways to compare audio/midi performance between Linux > > > and Windows that ... make Linux compare favorabl

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-30 Thread Bob Ham
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 21:05 +, Bob Ham wrote: > On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 09:03 -0800, Michael Ost wrote: > > Can anyone suggest ways to compare audio/midi performance between Linux > > and Windows that ... make Linux compare favorably? > > > I work for a company that sells a Linux based piece of

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-30 Thread Bob Ham
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 09:03 -0800, Michael Ost wrote: > Can anyone suggest ways to compare audio/midi performance between Linux > and Windows that ... make Linux compare favorably? > I work for a company that sells a Linux based piece of hardware that > plays windows VSTs. The word "FUD" comes to

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-30 Thread Steve Harris
On 30 Jan 2007, at 17:03, Michael Ost wrote: Can anyone suggest ways to compare audio/midi performance between Linux and Windows that (1) are relevant to non-technical musicians and (2) make Linux compare favorably? Not things like "I just don't like Windows" or software feature comparisons

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-30 Thread Lars Luthman
On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 09:03 -0800, Michael Ost wrote: > Can anyone suggest ways to compare audio/midi performance between Linux > and Windows that (1) are relevant to non-technical musicians and (2) > make Linux compare favorably? > > Not things like "I just don't like Windows" or software feature

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-30 Thread Michael Ost
Stéphane Letz wrote: You'll probably first have to decide which Windows version you're comparing since Vista is supposed to be better than XP: See: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/01/19/vista-for-music-pro-audio-exclusive-under-the-hood-with-cakewalks-cto/ Thanks for the link. There sure

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-30 Thread Stéphane Letz
Le 30 janv. 07 à 18:03, Michael Ost a écrit : Can anyone suggest ways to compare audio/midi performance between Linux and Windows that (1) are relevant to non-technical musicians and (2) make Linux compare favorably? Not things like "I just don't like Windows" or software feature comparisons

[linux-audio-dev] Old hat - comparison against windows

2007-01-30 Thread Michael Ost
Can anyone suggest ways to compare audio/midi performance between Linux and Windows that (1) are relevant to non-technical musicians and (2) make Linux compare favorably? Not things like "I just don't like Windows" or software feature comparisons or the politics of open vs. closed source, but rat