Re: [linux-audio-dev] RE: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Josh Green
On Wed, 2003-01-22 at 10:51, Mark Knecht wrote: > Thanks Fernando. I hadn't seen that, and it makes me feel better to know > it's just a standard design problem. > > I'll still put Jack in the console, I think, to keep it off my desktop, and > just look there occasionally to see how things have be

[linux-audio-dev] Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Robert Jonsson
Hi Mark and thanks for an extensive answer. I've read parts of Jan's paper, a lot of good info, very interesting your parts regarding filesystem. I wouldn't have guessed that ReisterFS would have been the least intrusive of the tested filesystems! My current system is an Athlon XP 1700+, MSI 26

[linux-audio-dev] Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Paul Winkler
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 10:51:21AM -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > Thanks Fernando. I hadn't seen that, and it makes me feel better to know > it's just a standard design problem. > > I'll still put Jack in the console, I think, to keep it off my desktop, and > just look there occasionally to see how t

Re: [linux-audio-dev] RE: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano
> I'll still put Jack in the console, I think, to keep it off my desktop, and > just look there occasionally to see how things have been going. > > Actually, can I somehow take the jackstart output that goes to the F2 > console and pipe it to a file that I could look at from KDE? That would be > n

Re: [linux-audio-dev] RE: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Paul Davis
>Actually, can I somehow take the jackstart output that goes to the F2 >console and pipe it to a file that I could look at from KDE? That would be >nice too. general unix techniques, part 2003.45 (all assume the use of a bourne shell-like shell, which covers bash, zsh, sh, ksh, ash and many others

[linux-audio-dev] RE: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Jesse Chappell
Mark Knecht wrote on Wed, 22-Jan-2003: > Actually, can I somehow take the jackstart output that goes to the F2 > console and pipe it to a file that I could look at from KDE? That would be > nice too. > Sure, if using bash, just run it: jackstartoptionsblahblah &> /tmp/jack.output & The

[linux-audio-dev] RE: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Mark Knecht
Thanks Fernando. I hadn't seen that, and it makes me feel better to know it's just a standard design problem. I'll still put Jack in the console, I think, to keep it off my desktop, and just look there occasionally to see how things have been going. Actually, can I somehow take the jackstart outp

[linux-audio-dev] RE: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Fernando Pablo Lopez-Lezcano
>I have noticed that there are still a number of system oriented things > that, on my system, absolutely guarantee an xrun. The simplest is dropping > down to a console. (Alt-Ctl-F2) It is a known problem and is in the list of "things you should not do" in Andrew Morton's low latency page (at

[linux-audio-dev] RE: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Mark Knecht
> > Would you care to describe your setup, hardware/kernel versions etc...? > Robert, At the risk of looking like Steve's shadow, I run the PlanetCCRMA flow on two machines. The low-end machine is an older Dell P3-500 with a Hammerfall light and 768MB of DRAM. In that machine I run Jack with a -

[linux-audio-dev] Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Dave Griffiths
> >I thought I'd pipe up here, as I use jack on a totally unpatched, untuned > >system (with SCHED_FIFO) and get rock solid performance. > > > Hmmm, that's annoying, I've never had that happen to me >:-| > ;-) no, seriously, that's really great! Sadly this is not the case > for all of us... > >

[linux-audio-dev] Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Dave Griffiths
> >I thought I'd pipe up here, as I use jack on a totally unpatched, untuned > >system (with SCHED_FIFO) and get rock solid performance. > > > Hmmm, that's annoying, I've never had that happen to me >:-| > ;-) no, seriously, that's really great! Sadly this is not the case > for all of us... > >

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Steve Harris
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 06:10:31 +0100, Robert Jonsson wrote: > Well, as I asked David, care to describe your setup that provides such > wonderful performance? I'd hardly describe it as wonderful, but: VIA KT333 based mobo (can't remeber the brand) AMD Athlon XP 1800 (1.5 GHz) Generic DDR333 ram

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Robert Jonsson
Steve Harris wrote: On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 03:57:40 +0100, Robert Jonsson wrote: What I have noticed is subtle, I have xruns in both situations but the rate increases noticeably. I've been running patched kernels but there are all kinds of parameters (as I'm sure you know) to tweak before i

[linux-audio-dev] Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Robert Jonsson
Dave Griffiths wrote: It shouldn't be a problem, iwht only a few apps running the overhead is very small. If by "isn't perfectly tuned" you mean not running SCHED_FIFO or a patched kernel that its not that supprising, the context switch will be causing big problems. But, at worst it should just m

Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Vincent Touquet
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 04:26:02PM +0100, Dave Griffiths wrote: >I thought I'd pipe up here, as I use jack on a totally unpatched, untuned >system (with SCHED_FIFO) and get rock solid performance. All crashes etc have >so far been problems with my code :) It should provide to be useful if we could

[linux-audio-dev] Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Dave Griffiths
> > It shouldn't be a problem, iwht only a few apps running the overhead is > > very small. If by "isn't perfectly tuned" you mean not running SCHED_FIFO > > or a patched kernel that its not that supprising, the context switch will > > be causing big problems. But, at worst it should just make xrun

[linux-audio-dev] Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Steve Harris
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 03:57:40 +0100, Robert Jonsson wrote: > What I have noticed is subtle, I have xruns in both situations but the > rate increases noticeably. > I've been running patched kernels but there are all kinds of parameters > (as I'm sure you know) to tweak before it is sufficiently

[linux-audio-dev] Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Robert Jonsson
Hi, c) I thought that because the extra weight(scheduling etc) that jack adds this was perfectly justified. My system isn't perfectly tuned and that might be the reason I notice the difference... It shouldn't be a problem, iwht only a few apps running the overhead is very small. If by "isn't

[linux-audio-dev] Re: [Jackit-devel] Re: k_jack v0.0.0.5

2003-01-22 Thread Steve Harris
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 03:22:42 +0100, Robert Jonsson wrote: > Atleast I have noticed that performance is worse running with jack than > running without it. My evidence is basically running MusE with alsa vs > jack output. Running with jack it is much more prone to produce xruns. > > I have not