Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

> "Lee" == Lee Revell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > True, no reason to break it for people who are used to the old > behavior, and MS does do extensive usability testing. However > this NEEDS to be made configurable system-wide. This way CCRMA > and AGNULA (for example) can s

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Tuesday 24 August 2004 02:00 am, Lee Revell wrote: > On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 11:19, Paul Winkler wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 04:22:36PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > > I suspect that a GUI programmer or interface designer would expect > > > things to increase from top to bottom. In GUI prog

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 11:19, Paul Winkler wrote: > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 04:22:36PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > > I suspect that a GUI programmer or interface designer would expect > > things to increase from top to bottom. In GUI programming, the origin > > is at the top left of the screen, and

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 04:22:36PM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > I suspect that a GUI programmer or interface designer would expect > things to increase from top to bottom. In GUI programming, the origin > is at the top left of the screen, and X,Y coorinates increase going > right and down respective

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On lör, 2004-08-21 at 07:30, Lee Revell wrote: > I just installed jack-rack and find the mouse wheel behavior a bit odd. > The sliders are horizontal, and turning the wheel 'up' (away from you) > decreases the slider value, and vice versa. > This is not just you. Generally when you install softw

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 06:35:44PM +0200, Melanie wrote: > Left is generally associated with up, right with down, as we read left to > right, top to bottom. Therefore, up MUST map to left, down MUST map to > right, otherwise, non-mathematically minded people get uttely confused. That's crap. It

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Saturday 21 August 2004 06:48 pm, John Check wrote: > On Saturday 21 August 2004 05:50 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 17:33, John Check wrote: > > > On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:41 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 14:45, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > > > Today

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Saturday 21 August 2004 05:50 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 17:33, John Check wrote: > > On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:41 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 14:45, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > > Today might well have been the first time I used the wheel > > > > on c

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Saturday 21 August 2004 05:47 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 17:31, John Check wrote: > > On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:51 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:36, John Check wrote: > > > > On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:24 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > > On Sat, 20

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 17:33, John Check wrote: > On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:41 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 14:45, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > > Today might well have been the first time I used the wheel > > > on common sliders, and it felt backwards! > > > > Agreed. I can unde

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 17:31, John Check wrote: > On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:51 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:36, John Check wrote: > > > On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:24 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:14, John Check wrote: > > > > > On Saturday 21 Aug

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:41 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 14:45, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 06:35:44PM +0200, Melanie wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > it's backwards in a "numerical" sense, in that the numbers increase > > > with one slider type, but decrease

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:51 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:36, John Check wrote: > > On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:24 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:14, John Check wrote: > > > > On Saturday 21 August 2004 02:10 pm, Pete Bessman wrote: > > > > > I guaran

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:36, John Check wrote: > On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:24 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:14, John Check wrote: > > > On Saturday 21 August 2004 02:10 pm, Pete Bessman wrote: > > > > I guarantee you that the last thing on 99.8% of users' minds when > > > >

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 14:45, Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 06:35:44PM +0200, Melanie wrote: > > Hi, > > > > it's backwards in a "numerical" sense, in that the numbers increase with > > one slider type, but decrease with another, using the same command. > > > > However, UI desig

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:24 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:14, John Check wrote: > > On Saturday 21 August 2004 02:10 pm, Pete Bessman wrote: > > > I guarantee you that the last thing on 99.8% of users' minds when > > > they're adjusting a horizontal volume slider is "This is

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Saturday 21 August 2004 04:22 pm, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 14:38, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 06:35:44PM +0200, Melanie wrote: > > > it's backwards in a "numerical" sense, in that the numbers increase > > > with one slider type, but decrease with another,

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 20:06:01 +0200 Melanie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > On 2004.08.21 20:05 Florian Schmidt wrote: > > Hmm, i cannot believe that users really expect the horizontal > > scrollbars to go right when wheeling down. That just doesn't feel > > natural at all. > > Well, it does

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 16:14, John Check wrote: > On Saturday 21 August 2004 02:10 pm, Pete Bessman wrote: > > > > I guarantee you that the last thing on 99.8% of users' minds when > > they're adjusting a horizontal volume slider is "This is kind of like > > reading a book, which goes left to right

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 14:38, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 06:35:44PM +0200, Melanie wrote: > > > it's backwards in a "numerical" sense, in that the numbers increase with > > one slider type, but decrease with another, using the same command. > > > > However, UI designers don'

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Saturday 21 August 2004 02:10 pm, Pete Bessman wrote: > At Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:35:44 +0200, > > Melanie wrote: > > Left is generally associated with up, right with down, as we read > > left to right, top to bottom. Therefore, up MUST map to left, down > > MUST map to right, otherwise, non-mathem

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Saturday 21 August 2004 02:06 pm, Melanie wrote: > Hi, > > On 2004.08.21 20:05 Florian Schmidt wrote: > > Hmm, i cannot believe that users really expect the horizontal scrollbars > > to go right when wheeling down. That just doesn't feel natural at all. > > Well, it does feel perfectly natural t

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Saturday 21 August 2004 02:05 pm, Florian Schmidt wrote: > On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:35:44 +0200 > > Melanie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > it's backwards in a "numerical" sense, in that the numbers increase > > with one slider type, but decrease with another, using the same > > command

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 14:26, martin rumori wrote: > On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 01:56:03PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > > also, when i think of road driving signs used to indicate significant > > uphill or downhill sections, my recollection is that in the US and in > > Europe they obey this right=up asso

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 06:35:44PM +0200, Melanie wrote: > Hi, > > it's backwards in a "numerical" sense, in that the numbers increase with > one slider type, but decrease with another, using the same command. > > However, UI designers don't think in numbers, but associations. > > Left is gener

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 06:35:44PM +0200, Melanie wrote: > it's backwards in a "numerical" sense, in that the numbers increase with > one slider type, but decrease with another, using the same command. > > However, UI designers don't think in numbers, but associations. > > Left is generally ass

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 01:56:03PM -0400, Paul Davis wrote: > also, when i think of road driving signs used to indicate significant > uphill or downhill sections, my recollection is that in the US and in > Europe they obey this right=up association if they actually show the > slope. IIRC correctly

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

>also, when i think of road driving signs used to indicate significant >uphill or downhill sections, my recollection is that in the US and in >Europe they obey this right=up association if they actually show the >slope. humbug. they obey right=forward, not right=up ...

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

Hi, On 2004.08.21 20:05 Florian Schmidt wrote: Hmm, i cannot believe that users really expect the horizontal scrollbars to go right when wheeling down. That just doesn't feel natural at all. Well, it does feel perfectly natural to me... Has there been research done? I would like to see some sources

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

At Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:35:44 +0200, Melanie wrote: > > Left is generally associated with up, right with down, as we read > left to right, top to bottom. Therefore, up MUST map to left, down > MUST map to right, otherwise, non-mathematically minded people get > uttely confused. This is perhaps the

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

>it's backwards in a "numerical" sense, in that the numbers increase with >one slider type, but decrease with another, using the same command. > >However, UI designers don't think in numbers, but associations. > >Left is generally associated with up, right with down, as we read left to >right, to

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:35:44 +0200 Melanie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > it's backwards in a "numerical" sense, in that the numbers increase > with one slider type, but decrease with another, using the same > command. > > However, UI designers don't think in numbers, but associations. >

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

Hallo, Melanie hat gesagt: // Melanie wrote: > Left is generally associated with up, right with down, as we read left to > right, top to bottom. Therefore, up MUST map to left, down MUST map to > right, otherwise, non-mathematically minded people get uttely confused. Well, if I qualify as mathe

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

Hi, it's backwards in a "numerical" sense, in that the numbers increase with one slider type, but decrease with another, using the same command. However, UI designers don't think in numbers, but associations. Left is generally associated with up, right with down, as we read left to right, top to

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Sat, 2004-08-21 at 01:30, Lee Revell wrote: > I just installed jack-rack and find the mouse wheel behavior a bit odd. > The sliders are horizontal, and turning the wheel 'up' (away from you) > decreases the slider value, and vice versa. > > This seems backwards to me. What does everyone else

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

I never noticed the behavior of horizontal scrollbars in GTK because I've never encountered any. Just checked out the behavior of Rhthymbox's seek indicator, it's just as you described (i.e., dain bramaged). That's a bug, plain and simple. --Pete "Nothing great was ever

Re: [linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

On Sat, Aug 21, 2004 at 01:30:59AM -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > I just installed jack-rack and find the mouse wheel behavior a bit odd. > The sliders are horizontal, and turning the wheel 'up' (away from you) > decreases the slider value, and vice versa. Both QT and GTK sliders work that way. Anybo

[linux-audio-dev] mouse wheel behavior and RFC: human interface guidelines

I just installed jack-rack and find the mouse wheel behavior a bit odd. The sliders are horizontal, and turning the wheel 'up' (away from you) decreases the slider value, and vice versa. This seems backwards to me. What does everyone else think? This is one of those things that will *have* to w