Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-12-02 Thread Esben Stien
Eliot Blennerhassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > we at audioscience I will certainly put my eyes on audioscience now. Having a company working so close with the community is really great. -- Esben Stien is [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.esben-stien.name irc://irc.esben-stien.name/%23contact

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-29 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Mark Knecht hat gesagt: // Mark Knecht wrote: > On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:09:17 +0100, Frank Barknecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Nobody can steal free software, because they already own it. (As long > > as they follow the rules as stated in the GPL etc.) > > This is so patently

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Lee Revell
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 22:09 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > > > Nvidia has a lot more valuable IP at stake than VIA when they > > release an open source driver for their 3D gear. If you don't > > understand why, I can't help you. > > I do un

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Paul Winkler
On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 09:27:46AM +1300, Eliot Blennerhassett wrote: > So, what is the difference between our current offerings and what you'd like > to see in a "pro audio card"? I don't see any gross difference except the input/output connectors. Bundle the 5042 or 5044 with adapters or break

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Lee Revell hat gesagt: // Lee Revell wrote: > Nvidia has a lot more valuable IP at stake than VIA when they > release an open source driver for their 3D gear. If you don't > understand why, I can't help you. I do understand this very well. Because this is the central conflict: I will not

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Eliot Blennerhassett
> > > Ah i don't know. I mean, you guys have put a lot of time into what your > > > doing anyway. And in my case the trust in rme turned out to be a bummer > > > just becasue i was thinking that they have trust in the open source > > > developers. If they did have such trust, something like this w

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Lee Revell
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 18:12 +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: > And who the heck cares, that you > cannot buy a single modern 3D-card anymore, which has open source > drivers, by any manufacturer? Sure you can. The VIA unichrome cards have open 3D drivers. But, of course, it's not the best 3D hardwa

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 19:53, Jan Depner wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 10:15, Marek Peteraj wrote: > > On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 14:50, Tim Goetze wrote: > > > [Marek Peteraj] > > > >> RME has provided > > > >> "Pro" grade audio hardware when Linux Audio needed it > > > >> in order to become a legitima

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Jan Depner
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 10:15, Marek Peteraj wrote: > On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 14:50, Tim Goetze wrote: > > [Marek Peteraj] > > >> RME has provided > > >> "Pro" grade audio hardware when Linux Audio needed it > > >> in order to become a legitimate alternative to > > >> proprietary solutions. > > > > > >

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Simon Jenkins
Marek Peteraj wrote: Oh BTW, just in case :) http://www.petitiononline.com/atipet/petition.html Free as in Nelson Mandela :) ~ Simon

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
> Why? Because with the availability of closed drivers the (market) > demand for open source drivers suddenly becomes as small as the > handful of Libre Software supporters like I am one. The "just make my > hardware work" type of Linux users is not interested in Open Source > drivers anymore, so w

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Jan Depner hat gesagt: // Jan Depner wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 15:36, Lee Revell wrote: > > IMO the issue is not whether RME's concern is valid - clearly it is. > > Sorry, but arguing otherwise makes us look stupid and naive. The issue > > is how to address this concern. If that mean

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 14:50, Tim Goetze wrote: > [Marek Peteraj] > >> RME has provided > >> "Pro" grade audio hardware when Linux Audio needed it > >> in order to become a legitimate alternative to > >> proprietary solutions. > > > >Not really. It was Paul, Thomas, and one other guy(don't remember

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Tim Goetze
[Marek Peteraj] >> RME has provided >> "Pro" grade audio hardware when Linux Audio needed it >> in order to become a legitimate alternative to >> proprietary solutions. > >Not really. It was Paul, Thomas, and one other guy(don't remember the >name) who did. Remember it was almost no investment from

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 14:03, tim hall wrote: > Last Saturday 27 November 2004 21:36, Lee Revell was like: > > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 15:43 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > > > Did this happen? > > > > > > Maybe not to them but look at Mackie and Behringer. > > > > Just to save people some googling here

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 13:35, R Parker wrote: > --- Marek Peteraj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 23:21, Lee Revell wrote: > > > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 16:22 -0600, Jan Depner > > wrote: > > > > Man, I've been waiting all day for someone to > > say this. Personally, >

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 22:36, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 15:43 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > > Did this happen? > > > > Maybe not to them but look at Mackie and Behringer. > > Just to save people some googling here is a thread that documents the > long and colorful history of pro aud

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-28 Thread Marek Peteraj
On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 23:21, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 16:22 -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > > Man, I've been waiting all day for someone to say this. Personally, > > open source is not a religion for me so a closed source driver would be > > fine and dandy. Let the flames commence

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-27 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 16:22 -0600, Jan Depner wrote: > Man, I've been waiting all day for someone to say this. Personally, > open source is not a religion for me so a closed source driver would be > fine and dandy. Let the flames commence - now where did I put my > asbestos underwear? Eh,

Re: Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-27 Thread Jan Depner
On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 15:36, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 15:43 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > > Did this happen? > > > > Maybe not to them but look at Mackie and Behringer. > > Just to save people some googling here is a thread that documents the > long and colorful history of pro aud

Behringer [was Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more]

2004-11-27 Thread Lee Revell
On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 15:43 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > Did this happen? > > Maybe not to them but look at Mackie and Behringer. Just to save people some googling here is a thread that documents the long and colorful history of pro audio hardware manufacturers blatantly ripping each other off, o