Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-13 Thread Nathaniel Virgo
On Thursday 12 December 2002 9:33 pm, David Olofson wrote: > On Thursday 12 December 2002 21.25, Nathaniel Virgo wrote: > > Basically what I'm saying is that the note_pitch idea goes some way > > towards making scales work, but not all the way, > > The issues you have described are based on the ass

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-12 Thread David Olofson
On Thursday 12 December 2002 22.53, Steve Harris wrote: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 08:16:07PM +0100, David Olofson wrote: > > > > Yes it does, since you need to deal *only* with the note > > > > number. The scale converter then generates the correct pitch > > > > for the notes in the scale that you

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-12 Thread Steve Harris
On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 08:16:07PM +0100, David Olofson wrote: > > > Yes it does, since you need to deal *only* with the note number. > > > The scale converter then generates the correct pitch for the > > > notes in the scale that you reference. That's the whole point > > > with using note_pitch an

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-12 Thread David Olofson
On Thursday 12 December 2002 21.25, Nathaniel Virgo wrote: [...] > > In some cases, yes - but remember that the arpeggiator is not the > > *only* plugin in the system. If you play other synths as well, > > you'll probably want the arpeggiator to respect the scales used > > for those, rather than tr

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-12 Thread David Olofson
On Thursday 12 December 2002 17.13, Steve Harris wrote: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 03:10:07PM +, Nathaniel Virgo wrote: > > The only real disadvantage to this scheme is that some > > note-processing algorithms probably don't work in relative pitch. > > For example, if for some reason you wanted

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-12 Thread David Olofson
On Thursday 12 December 2002 16.10, Nathaniel Virgo wrote: > On Thursday 12 December 2002 12:18 pm, David Olofson wrote: > > On Thursday 12 December 2002 12.43, Nathaniel Virgo wrote: > > > In > > > fact, linear_pitch is probably better for this kind of > > > arpeggiator because you can create octa

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-12 Thread Nathaniel Virgo
On Thursday 12 December 2002 7:16 pm, David Olofson wrote: > On Thursday 12 December 2002 15.26, Steve Harris wrote: > > I guess it > > depends what key you're in... which can't be expressed in a note > > number anyway, so I still think its redundant. > > Well, then we're into this "tweaking notes

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-12 Thread David Olofson
On Thursday 12 December 2002 15.26, Steve Harris wrote: > On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 01:46:29PM +0100, David Olofson wrote: > > > and arpegiate for non ET scales is a hard > > > problem anyway, providing note numbers doesn't help. > > > > Yes it does, since you need to deal *only* with the note number

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-12 Thread Steve Harris
On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 03:10:07PM +, Nathaniel Virgo wrote: > The only real disadvantage to this scheme is that some note-processing > algorithms probably don't work in relative pitch. For example, if for some > reason you wanted to map all 12 tones of a normal scale onto just the white >

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-12 Thread Nathaniel Virgo
On Thursday 12 December 2002 12:18 pm, David Olofson wrote: > On Thursday 12 December 2002 12.43, Nathaniel Virgo wrote: > > In > > fact, linear_pitch is probably better for this kind of arpeggiator > > because you can create octaves, which you can't do in general in > > note_pitch. > > Well, consi

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-12 Thread Steve Harris
On Thu, Dec 12, 2002 at 01:46:29PM +0100, David Olofson wrote: > > and arpegiate for non ET scales is a hard > > problem anyway, providing note numbers doesn't help. > > Yes it does, since you need to deal *only* with the note number. The > scale converter then generates the correct pitch for the

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-12 Thread David Olofson
On Thursday 12 December 2002 13.26, Steve Harris wrote: > On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 09:31:52 +0100, David Olofson wrote: > > > A synth could still have a built in event > > > processor, but it should only process linear_pitch events. > > > > Yes - but you could not implement a useful arpeggiator that

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-12 Thread Steve Harris
On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 09:31:52 +0100, David Olofson wrote: > > A synth could still have a built in event > > processor, but it should only process linear_pitch events. > > Yes - but you could not implement a useful arpeggiator that way, for > example. It would do the wrong thing as soon as you'

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-12 Thread David Olofson
On Thursday 12 December 2002 12.43, Nathaniel Virgo wrote: > On Wednesday 11 December 2002 8:31 pm, David Olofson wrote: > > > A synth could still have a built in event > > > processor, but it should only process linear_pitch events. > > > > Yes - but you could not implement a useful arpeggiator th

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-12 Thread Nathaniel Virgo
On Wednesday 11 December 2002 8:31 pm, David Olofson wrote: > > A synth could still have a built in event > > processor, but it should only process linear_pitch events. > > Yes - but you could not implement a useful arpeggiator that way, for > example. It would do the wrong thing as soon as you're

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-11 Thread David Olofson
On Wednesday 11 December 2002 21.50, Steve Harris wrote: > On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 06:49:17 +, Nathaniel Virgo wrote: > > Sorry, I just tend to hit "reply to all" because some lists seem > > to be set up so that "reply" doesn't go to the list. > > See if your mail client has a reply-to-list dea

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-11 Thread Steve Harris
On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 06:49:17 +, Nathaniel Virgo wrote: > Sorry, I just tend to hit "reply to all" because some lists seem to be set up > so that "reply" doesn't go to the list. See if your mail client has a reply-to-list deature, mutt does (+L). > > I like the idea of enforced "explicit

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-11 Thread David Olofson
On Wednesday 11 December 2002 19.49, Nathaniel Virgo wrote: > On Wednesday 11 December 2002 5:19 pm, David Olofson wrote: > > (Oops. Replied to the direct reply, rather than via the list. > > Please, don't CC me - I'm on the list! :-) > > Sorry, I just tend to hit "reply to all" because some lists

Re: Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-11 Thread Nathaniel Virgo
On Wednesday 11 December 2002 5:19 pm, David Olofson wrote: > (Oops. Replied to the direct reply, rather than via the list. Please, > don't CC me - I'm on the list! :-) Sorry, I just tend to hit "reply to all" because some lists seem to be set up so that "reply" doesn't go to the list. > I like

Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-11 Thread David Olofson
(Oops. Replied to the direct reply, rather than via the list. Please, don't CC me - I'm on the list! :-) -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:05:57 +0100 From: David Olofson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Nathaniel Virgo <

Fwd: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control

2002-12-11 Thread David Olofson
(Same thing again...) -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] XAP: Pitch control Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 18:15:59 +0100 From: David Olofson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Nathaniel Virgo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wednesday 11 December 2002 18.09, Nathaniel Virgo wrote: > On