Replying to myself...
On Thu, Dec 12 2002 at 03:27:17pm -0200, Nelson Posse Lago wrote:
> How about a (possibly diskless) computer-based sampler that takes it
> samples from a network server?
Another idea: we don't prefetch, we just load everything into RAM up to a
maximum value (32Mb? Configur
On Tue, Nov 12 2002 at 10:17:01am -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
> i've read the patent.
> its innovation comes from applying a pre-existing technique
> (read-ahead buffering) to a new software niche. the basic idea of "i
> have this data on disk and i can't read it fast enough when i really
> need to,
>From: Paul Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>idea, wrapped it up in patent language that restricts it to a specific
>problem domain (playback of audio data in response to triggers), and
>filed.
There has been "instant play" devices prior gigasampler. I also
found following from Usenet archives. I also
On Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:45:04 +0100 (CET), Tim Goetze wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Paul Davis wrote:
> >> It isn't my intention to flame you, but has anyone here actually read and
> >>studied the patent? Have you? I haven't. Someone said they had a copy? Let's
> >>hear a listing of what the actual patent
Mark,
Paul Davis wrote:
>> It isn't my intention to flame you, but has anyone here actually read and
>>studied the patent? Have you? I haven't. Someone said they had a copy? Let's
>>hear a listing of what the actual patent claims are before we create a
>>defense.
>
>i've read the patent.
...
i
> It isn't my intention to flame you, but has anyone here actually read and
>studied the patent? Have you? I haven't. Someone said they had a copy? Let's
>hear a listing of what the actual patent claims are before we create a
>defense.
i've read the patent.
its innovation comes from applying a
Mark
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Steve Harris wrote:
>Prior art doesn'
Mark Knecht wrote:
Patent holder?? GET HIM! Good thing you didn't post on slashdot.
Taybin
LOL!! Well, my name is on a number of patents, including one (#6,457,152)
accepted by the Patent Office a few weeks ago. (Also post-1996 - #6,356,099,
#6,240,480, Pre-1996 I just don't remember,
>In the spirit of full disclosure, I am not a lawyer, am a multiple
patent
> holder in the US and Japan (not sure about the EU) and am only speaking
from
> experience. My opinions are my own and do not represent any form of legal
> guidance.
Patent holder?? GET HIM! Good thing you didn't pos
On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Mark Knecht wrote:
> scared the US entertainment industry so much. Our Legislative Branch then
> fell prey to US business interests and created law specifically to address
> these issues with respect to digitally formatted property. Even though it
> might have been 'legally le
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Does a patent get stronger if you&#x
On Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:26:20 +, Simon Jenkins wrote:
> The big boys might fight amongst themselves about this stuff at the
> moment, but if free software ever starts to seriously threaten them
> they could very quickly forget their differences, gang up, and start
> licensing the patents to/fro
Richard A. Smith wrote:
In in case anyone is really interstested. I have the patent history
of both patents held by Conexant/Rockwell. It's pretty vague, dry,
boring stuff to read.
I bought them a while ago with the intention of issueing a request
for re-exam claiming that there was sufficien
On 11 Nov 2002 18:54:08 +0100, Benno Senoner wrote:
> Don't worry David, I think we are wasting our precious time with these
> talks (but it is interesting anyway :-) )
In in case anyone is really interstested. I have the patent history
of both patents held by Conexant/Rockwell. It's pretty vag
On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 06:35:14 +0100, Benno Senoner wrote:
> Anyway if you care, in the good old Amiga days I implemented routines
> that allowed the streaming of large audio clips from disk and CDROM with
> instant play by caching the first part of the clip in RAM.
> It was 1991-92 I believe the
Don't worry David, I think we are wasting our precious time with these
talks (but it is interesting anyway :-) )
Regarding source and binary code:
Being or app opensource, we have the advantage that the source code
does not constitute a runnable application and this provides several
legal advant
>Send the source code to me and I will release it. Why? Because I believe
>what I said in the above paragraph is true. It is immoral to have
>software patents, not violate them. Especially ones as absurdly simple as
>this. How could they proove that you did not come up with the idea
>yourself?
On Mon, 11 Nov 2002, Paul Davis wrote:
> >Bottom line, screw them and their patent. Let them send their lawyers
> >after you, who cares.
>
> their lawyers could potentially bankrupt you if what you were doing
> represented a threat to the income they expected to derive from the patent.
> if thats
seems
reasonable to me.
Sebastien
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Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Gigasampler vs Halion PR war
> >Do we know what Steinberg did about this
>If you come up with an idea, blissfully unaware that there is a patent on
>it. How can that patent be valid?
because that's how patents work. first-to-file, first-to-publish, all
that stuff. all that's need (in the US at least) is for a patent
examiner is to agree that the patent claims are no
On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 09:48:37 -0500, Paul Davis wrote:
> >Do we know what Steinberg did about this, if anything?
>
> i suspect from what i'm learnt from my patent attorney friend that the
> "amount of data cached" issue that the Giga article dismissively
> refers to in reference to Halion is ac
Forgive me for sounding rather naive, but anyway.
If you come up with an idea, blissfully unaware that there is a patent on
it. How can that patent be valid? For example, as a programmer and audio
enthusiast I have never even heard of Gigasampler or Halion. However, I
have come to the logical c
>Do we know what Steinberg did about this, if anything?
i suspect from what i'm learnt from my patent attorney friend that the
"amount of data cached" issue that the Giga article dismissively
refers to in reference to Halion is actually precisely what Steinberg
did. they changed the parameters of
Paul Davis wrote:
>>in this light, claiming the patented idea is either original or
>>new is nonsensical.
>
>this is a misunderstanding of how the patent system works in all
>countries that i know anything about. you don't get a patent on an
>idea. you get a patent on the application of an idea t
>Do we know what Steinberg did about this, if anything?
i asked karl steinberg. he was unwilling to say anything about it.
[on nemesys patent issues, from Sound On Sound]
"Sadly, this [HALion's disk prechaching] has caused rumblings behind the
scenes about possible patent infringement, since Nemesys are "the
exclusive MI licensee of Conexant Systems Inc", whose Endless Streaming
technology has "US and International
>Steve Harris wrote:
>
>>Prior art doesn't seem to be very useful in defending against patents for
>>some reason (IANAL of course). The recent British Telecom v's W3C fiasco
>>was won on the grounds that the BT patent's system operated in a different
>>way to the Web, rather than because of prior a
Steve Harris wrote:
>Prior art doesn't seem to be very useful in defending against patents for
>some reason (IANAL of course). The recent British Telecom v's W3C fiasco
>was won on the grounds that the BT patent's system operated in a different
>way to the Web, rather than because of prior art (wh
On Mon, Nov 11, 2002 at 06:44:10 +0900, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> Didn't we come up with some good ammo in case anyone decided to sue?
It looks like the patent is held by Rockwell (yes, that Rockwell). If so,
it's called EndlessWave: http://www.nemesysmusic.com/support/faq.html#q14
It says on the F
Didn't we come up with some good ammo in case anyone decided to sue?
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On Sun, Nov 10, 2002 at 07:28:53AM -0800, Joshua Haberman wrote:
> >From the comparison:
>
> Sample buffering is the process of loading a small part of each sample
> into the installed RAM to play back instantly when a note on a keyboard is
> struck. By pre-loading a small amount of th
Benno Senoner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gigasampler / Gigastudio vs Halion "comparison":
>
> http://www.nemesysmusic.com/news/NewsLet/newslet_Mar2002.html
>From the comparison:
Sample buffering is the process of loading a small part of each sample
into the installed RAM to play back in
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