Re: New draft standards

2015-12-29 Thread LC Bruzenak
On 12/14/2015 08:34 AM, Steve Grubb wrote: That is not exactly what I proposed. What I was proposing was to record the translation of things that could change between systems and thus prevent correct interpretation later. Doing all translations is technically possible but would slow down auditd j

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-28 Thread Burn Alting
On Sun, 2015-12-27 at 10:06 -0500, Steve Grubb wrote: > On Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:30:59 AM Burn Alting wrote: > > I'll start with the statement I am happy to enhance the audit capability > > of Linux in any way (read that as a direct offer to help). > > Thanks! > > > > I'm somewhat interest

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-27 Thread Steve Grubb
On Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:30:59 AM Burn Alting wrote: > I'll start with the statement I am happy to enhance the audit capability > of Linux in any way (read that as a direct offer to help). Thanks! > > I'm somewhat interested in this. I'm just not sure where the best place to > > do all th

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-26 Thread Burn Alting
On Sat, 2015-12-26 at 11:38 -0500, Steve Grubb wrote: > On Thursday, December 24, 2015 09:44:00 AM Burn Alting wrote: > > On Fri, 2015-12-18 at 16:12 +1100, Burn Alting wrote: > > > On Tue, 2015-12-15 at 08:46 -0500, Steve Grubb wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 09:12:54 AM Burn Alting w

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-26 Thread Steve Grubb
On Thursday, December 24, 2015 09:44:00 AM Burn Alting wrote: > On Fri, 2015-12-18 at 16:12 +1100, Burn Alting wrote: > > On Tue, 2015-12-15 at 08:46 -0500, Steve Grubb wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 09:12:54 AM Burn Alting wrote: > > > > I use a proprietary ELK-like system based on aus

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-23 Thread Burn Alting
On Fri, 2015-12-18 at 16:12 +1100, Burn Alting wrote: > On Tue, 2015-12-15 at 08:46 -0500, Steve Grubb wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 09:12:54 AM Burn Alting wrote: > > > I use a proprietary ELK-like system based on ausearch's -i option. I would > > > like to see some variant outputs from

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-17 Thread Burn Alting
On Tue, 2015-12-15 at 08:46 -0500, Steve Grubb wrote: > On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 09:12:54 AM Burn Alting wrote: > > I use a proprietary ELK-like system based on ausearch's -i option. I would > > like to see some variant outputs from ausearch that "packages" events into > > parse-friendly forma

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-15 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 09:12:54 AM Burn Alting wrote: > I use a proprietary ELK-like system based on ausearch's -i option. I would > like to see some variant outputs from ausearch that "packages" events into > parse-friendly formats (json, xml) that also incorporates the local > transformati

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-14 Thread Richard Guy Briggs
On 15/12/10, Paul Moore wrote: > On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Steve Grubb wrote: > > On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 12:43:37 +1100 > > Burn Alting wrote: > > > >> Steve, > >> > >> Can you mock up some examples of an 'enriched' event showing how it is > >> different from what we have now. > > > > type=LO

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-14 Thread Burn Alting
velopment instead of operations and support of the hardware/software ecosystem. > > Kevin D Dienst > > > > > From:Joe Wulf > To:"linux-audit@redhat.com" > Date:12/14/2015 10:51 AM > Subject:Re: New draft standards > Se

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-14 Thread Kevin . Dienst
uot;linux-audit@redhat.com" Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 10:34 AM Subject: Re: New draft standards But I guess this gives me an opportunity to ask the community what tools they are using for audit log collection and viewing? Its been a couple years since e had this discussion on th

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-14 Thread Joe Wulf
M Subject: Re: New draft standards But I guess this gives me an opportunity to ask the community what tools they are using for audit log collection and viewing? Its been a couple years since e had this discussion on the mail list and I think some things have changed. Do people use ELK? Ap

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-14 Thread Steve Grubb
On Thursday, December 10, 2015 12:40:55 PM F Rafi wrote: > My comments are more from a log user (not developer) perspective. We are > exporting close to 10GB/day of mostly auditd logs. This will potentially go > upto 20GB/day next year. > > I'd prefer the ability to translate all auditd logs befor

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-13 Thread Paul Moore
On Wednesday, December 09, 2015 11:35:02 PM Steve Grubb wrote: > On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 19:28:22 -0500 > > Paul Moore wrote: > > Okay, let's not call these "standards" and just stick with > > "specifications". The term standards has all sorts of connotations > > associated with it, both good and bad

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-10 Thread Paul Moore
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Steve Grubb wrote: > On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 12:43:37 +1100 > Burn Alting wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> Can you mock up some examples of an 'enriched' event showing how it is >> different from what we have now. > > type=LOGIN msg=audit(1449782897.896:2496): pid=1768 uid=0

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-10 Thread Steve Grubb
On Wed, 09 Dec 2015 12:43:37 +1100 Burn Alting wrote: > On Tue, 2015-12-08 at 19:28 -0500, Paul Moore wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 08, 2015 03:25:22 PM Steve Grubb wrote: > > > On Tuesday, December 08, 2015 02:58:18 PM Paul Moore wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Steve Grubb > >

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-10 Thread F Rafi
My comments are more from a log user (not developer) perspective. We are exporting close to 10GB/day of mostly auditd logs. This will potentially go upto 20GB/day next year. I'd prefer the ability to translate all auditd logs before they are written to disk. I believe this is what you have propose

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-09 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tue, 08 Dec 2015 19:28:22 -0500 Paul Moore wrote: > Okay, let's not call these "standards" and just stick with > "specifications". The term standards has all sorts of connotations > associated with it, both good and bad, and I think we should be clear > when we start talking with other develope

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-08 Thread Burn Alting
On Tue, 2015-12-08 at 19:28 -0500, Paul Moore wrote: > On Tuesday, December 08, 2015 03:25:22 PM Steve Grubb wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 08, 2015 02:58:18 PM Paul Moore wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Steve Grubb wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I would like to point out 2 n

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-08 Thread Paul Moore
On Tuesday, December 08, 2015 03:25:22 PM Steve Grubb wrote: > On Tuesday, December 08, 2015 02:58:18 PM Paul Moore wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Steve Grubb wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I would like to point out 2 new standards that have been posted to the > > > linux audit web p

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-08 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tuesday, December 08, 2015 03:49:58 PM Richard Guy Briggs wrote: > On 15/12/08, Steve Grubb wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I would like to point out 2 new standards that have been posted to the > > linux audit web page. The first establishes the events around system > > start up and shutdown. This i

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-08 Thread Richard Guy Briggs
On 15/12/08, Steve Grubb wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to point out 2 new standards that have been posted to the linux > audit web page. The first establishes the events around system start up and > shutdown. This is important because it sets the session boundaries for when a > system is up

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-08 Thread Steve Grubb
On Tuesday, December 08, 2015 02:58:18 PM Paul Moore wrote: > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Steve Grubb wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I would like to point out 2 new standards that have been posted to the > > linux audit web page. The first establishes the events around system > > start up and shut

Re: New draft standards

2015-12-08 Thread Paul Moore
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Steve Grubb wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to point out 2 new standards that have been posted to the linux > audit web page. The first establishes the events around system start up and > shutdown. This is important because it sets the session boundaries for when a

New draft standards

2015-12-08 Thread Steve Grubb
Hello, I would like to point out 2 new standards that have been posted to the linux audit web page. The first establishes the events around system start up and shutdown. This is important because it sets the session boundaries for when a system is up or down or crashed. http://people.redhat.co