Hi Guys,
I initially thought these patches were a joke. But I guess they are
not. I suppose 2018 is the year everything became offensive.
Could we avoid the s/fuck/hug/g though? I have nothing against
re-wording this stuff to remove the curse word, but it should at least
make sense.
What's going
Hi Jon,
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:15 PM Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:12:19 -0800
> Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>
> > As a maintainer myself (and based on somewhat disturbed feedback from
> > other maintainers) I can only make the conclusion that nobody knows what
> > the responsib
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 08:39:01PM +, Abuse wrote:
> On Friday, 30 November 2018 20:35:07 GMT David Miller wrote:
> > From: Jens Axboe
> > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:12:26 -0700
> >
> > > On 11/30/18 12:56 PM, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 02:40:19PM -0800, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> Got you... Well I now read the 2nd amendment now through, and yeah, kind
> of way I work/function anyway.
Ugh, looked up the word from dictionary for something that makes
additions to some guidelines because did not know the englis
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 02:30:45PM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Fri, 2018-11-30 at 14:26 -0800, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 03:14:59PM -0700, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> [...]
> > > Have you read Documentation/process/code-of-conduct-
> > > interpretation.rst?
> > > As ha
On Fri, 2018-11-30 at 14:26 -0800, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 03:14:59PM -0700, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
[...]
> > Have you read Documentation/process/code-of-conduct-
> > interpretation.rst?
> > As has been pointed out, it contains a clear answer to how things
> > should be in
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 02:26:05PM -0800, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 03:14:59PM -0700, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:12:19 -0800
> > Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> >
> > > As a maintainer myself (and based on somewhat disturbed feedback from
> > > other maintai
On Fri, 2018-11-30 at 14:12 -0800, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
[...]
> I pasted this already to another response and this was probably the
> part that ignited me to send the patch set (was a few days ago, so
> had to revisit to find the exact paragraph):
I replied in to the other thread.
> "Maintainer
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 03:14:59PM -0700, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:12:19 -0800
> Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>
> > As a maintainer myself (and based on somewhat disturbed feedback from
> > other maintainers) I can only make the conclusion that nobody knows what
> > the responsib
On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:12:19 -0800
Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> As a maintainer myself (and based on somewhat disturbed feedback from
> other maintainers) I can only make the conclusion that nobody knows what
> the responsibility part here means.
>
> I would interpret, if I read it like at lawyer at
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 01:57:49PM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Fri, 2018-11-30 at 13:44 -0800, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 01:01:02PM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > No because use of what some people consider to be bad language
> > > isn't necessarily abusive, off
On Fri, 2018-11-30 at 13:54 -0800, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 01:48:08PM -0800, David Miller wrote:
> > From: Jarkko Sakkinen
> > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:44:05 -0800
> >
> > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 01:01:02PM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > > No because use of what s
On Fri, 2018-11-30 at 13:44 -0800, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 01:01:02PM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> > No because use of what some people consider to be bad language
> > isn't necessarily abusive, offensive or degrading. Our most
> > heavily censored medium is TV and "fuc
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 01:48:08PM -0800, David Miller wrote:
> From: Jarkko Sakkinen
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:44:05 -0800
>
> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 01:01:02PM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> >> No because use of what some people consider to be bad language isn't
> >> necessarily abusive,
On 11/30/18 2:47 PM, David Miller wrote:
> From: Jarkko Sakkinen
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:42:33 -0800
>
>> Can you tell how the CoC should be interpreted then?
>
> Regardless of what I think, as others have showen the CoC explicitly
> does not apply to existing code.
And with that, can we pl
From: Jarkko Sakkinen
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:44:05 -0800
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 01:01:02PM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
>> No because use of what some people consider to be bad language isn't
>> necessarily abusive, offensive or degrading. Our most heavily censored
>> medium is TV and "fu
From: Jarkko Sakkinen
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:42:33 -0800
> Can you tell how the CoC should be interpreted then?
Regardless of what I think, as others have showen the CoC explicitly
does not apply to existing code.
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 01:01:02PM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
> No because use of what some people consider to be bad language isn't
> necessarily abusive, offensive or degrading. Our most heavily censored
> medium is TV and "fuck" is now considered acceptable in certain
> contexts on most chan
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 12:35:07PM -0800, David Miller wrote:
> From: Jens Axboe
> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:12:26 -0700
>
> > On 11/30/18 12:56 PM, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> >> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
> >>> wrote:
>
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 09:31:13PM +0100, Matthias Brugger wrote:
> Like John I don't think that the word "fuck" is something we have to ban from
> the source code, but I don't care too much. Anyway, please don't change it to
> something like heck as it might be difficult for non-english speaker to
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 09:09:48PM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Or just leave it as is because we're all grown up and don't freak out
> when a piece of text contains the word "fuck".
>
> I still don't understand why people think that the word "fuck" is what
> would keep certain groups
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:40:17AM -0800, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
> wrote:
> >
> > In order to comply with the CoC, replace with a hug.
>
> Heh. I support the replacement of the stronger language, but I find
> "hug", "hugged", and "hugging" to be v
On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 12:55:21 -0800
Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> This a direct quote from the CoC:
>
> "Harassment includes the use of abusive, offensive or degrading
> language, intimidation, stalking, harassing photography or recording,
> inappropriate physical contact, sexual imagery and unwelcome
On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 12:55:21 -0800
Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:56:52AM -0800, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In order to comply with the CoC, re
On Fri, 2018-11-30 at 12:55 -0800, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:56:52AM -0800, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In order to comply with the CoC, replace
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:56:52AM -0800, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > In order to comply with the CoC, replace with a hug.
>
> I hope this is some kind of joke. How would anyone
On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 20:39:01 +
Abuse wrote:
> On Friday, 30 November 2018 20:35:07 GMT David Miller wrote:
> > From: Jens Axboe
> > Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:12:26 -0700
> >
> > > On 11/30/18 12:56 PM, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> > >> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
From: Abuse
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 20:39:01 +
> I assume I will now be barred.
Perhaps, but not because you said fuck. It would be because you're
intentionally creating a disturbance on the list and making it more
difficult for developers to get their work done and intentionally
creating a
From: Jens Axboe
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:12:26 -0700
> On 11/30/18 12:56 PM, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
>>> wrote:
In order to comply with the CoC, replace with a hug.
>>
>> I hope thi
Am 01.12.2018 um 09:12 schrieb Jens Axboe:
On 11/30/18 12:56 PM, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
wrote:
In order to comply with the CoC, replace with a hug.
I hope this is some kind of joke. How would anyon
From: Davidlohr Bueso
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 11:56:52 -0800
> I hope this is some kind of joke.
Whether or not it is a joke, it is censorship.
And because of that I have no intention to apply any patches like this
to any code I am in charge of.
On 30/11/2018 20:40, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
> wrote:
>>
>> In order to comply with the CoC, replace with a hug.
>
> Heh. I support the replacement of the stronger language, but I find
> "hug", "hugged", and "hugging" to be very weird replacemen
On 11/30/18 8:40 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
> Better yet, since it's only 17 files, how about doing context-specific
> changes? "This API is terrible", "Hateful interface", "Don't touch my
> freakin' code", "What in the world were they thinking?" etc?
Or just leave it as is because we're all grown up and
On 11/30/18 12:56 PM, Davidlohr Bueso wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> In order to comply with the CoC, replace with a hug.
>
> I hope this is some kind of joke. How would anyone get offended by reading
>
On Fri, 30 Nov 2018, Kees Cook wrote:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
wrote:
In order to comply with the CoC, replace with a hug.
I hope this is some kind of joke. How would anyone get offended by reading
technical comments? This is all beyond me...
Thanks,
Davidlohr
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 11:27 AM Jarkko Sakkinen
wrote:
>
> In order to comply with the CoC, replace with a hug.
Heh. I support the replacement of the stronger language, but I find
"hug", "hugged", and "hugging" to be very weird replacements. Can we
bikeshed this to "heck", "hecked", and "he
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