Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-10-08 Thread Manu Abraham
Wolfgang Wegner wrote: Hi, On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 01:01:31PM +0200, Felix Domke wrote: [...] I don't know if broadcasters are required to send non-inverted signals. I just know (read: remember) that some do. I might be wrong, so second opinions are welcome. sorry for the delay...

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-30 Thread Johannes Stezenbach
On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 03:11:39AM +0400, Manu Abraham wrote: Johannes Stezenbach wrote: On Sat, Sep 29, 2007, Manu Abraham wrote: ... Instead of losing myself in the details of your questions, some background info: 1) LNB drift That said, since we have different LNB LO

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-30 Thread Manu Abraham
Johannes Stezenbach wrote: On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 03:11:39AM +0400, Manu Abraham wrote: Johannes Stezenbach wrote: On Sat, Sep 29, 2007, Manu Abraham wrote: ... Instead of losing myself in the details of your questions, some background info: 1) LNB drift That said, since we have

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-30 Thread Johannes Stezenbach
On Sun, Sep 30, 2007, Manu Abraham wrote: Johannes Stezenbach wrote: The actual drift is totally irrelevant for the zig-zag scan. Zig-zag is a trial-and-error approach, and only needs to know - the step size (derived from the demod's carrier capture range) - max. the number of steps

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-30 Thread Manu Abraham
Johannes Stezenbach wrote: On Sun, Sep 30, 2007, Manu Abraham wrote: Johannes Stezenbach wrote: The actual drift is totally irrelevant for the zig-zag scan. Zig-zag is a trial-and-error approach, and only needs to know - the step size (derived from the demod's carrier capture range) - max.

[linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-29 Thread Manu Abraham
Hi all, After quite a lot of eyeballing in dvb_frontend.c, Some thoughts and questions that i came up with having no answers. They are such: 1) LNB drift: http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb/file/4e590391b11f/linux/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-core/dvb_frontend.c 279 /* calculate

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-29 Thread Felix Domke
Hi Manu, The point here is that the frontend (demodulator + tuner) doesn't know about the LNB drift. Also the most important point to be noted is that LNB drift cannot be calculated, but is measured on test criteria. I think the misunderstanding is that lnb_drift doesn't correlate to any

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-29 Thread Manu Abraham
Felix Hi, Felix Domke wrote: Hi Manu, The point here is that the frontend (demodulator + tuner) doesn't know about the LNB drift. Also the most important point to be noted is that LNB drift cannot be calculated, but is measured on test criteria. I think the misunderstanding is that

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-29 Thread Felix Domke
Hi, Ideally when zigzag is employed, in the end result the offset should be zero or neglible. In the case of the STB0899, IIRC it is rounded off. So in most cases, you don't have an offset. Satellite transponders also tend to drift. Good operators will measure the exact drift and fix their

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-29 Thread Manu Abraham
Felix Domke wrote: Hi, Ideally when zigzag is employed, in the end result the offset should be zero or neglible. In the case of the STB0899, IIRC it is rounded off. So in most cases, you don't have an offset. Satellite transponders also tend to drift. Good operators will measure the

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-29 Thread Felix Domke
Hi, - Inversion might happen on up- and downconversion, depending on what frequency situation you have. - The SatelliteDeliverySystemDescriptor does not specify Inversion. AFAICS, Inversion isn't a part of the transport. Why not? It's part of it like the frequency, isn't it? What i meant

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-29 Thread Felix Domke
Hi, - Inversion might happen on up- and downconversion, depending on what frequency situation you have. - The SatelliteDeliverySystemDescriptor does not specify Inversion. AFAICS, Inversion isn't a part of the transport. Why not? It's part of it like the frequency, isn't it? What i meant

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-29 Thread Johannes Stezenbach
On Sat, Sep 29, 2007, Manu Abraham wrote: ... Instead of losing myself in the details of your questions, some background info: 1) LNB drift - LNBs have a constant error plus a temperature drift (e.g. +/-1MHz error, +/-3Mhz drift for a temperature range of -40 ... +60 °C -- cheap no name

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-29 Thread Manu Abraham
Johannes Stezenbach wrote: On Sat, Sep 29, 2007, Manu Abraham wrote: ... Instead of losing myself in the details of your questions, some background info: 1) LNB drift - LNBs have a constant error plus a temperature drift (e.g. +/-1MHz error, +/-3Mhz drift for a temperature range

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-29 Thread Wolfgang Wegner
Hi, On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 04:18:31PM +0400, Manu Abraham wrote: Johannes Stezenbach wrote: 1) LNB drift - LNBs have a constant error plus a temperature drift (e.g. +/-1MHz error, +/-3Mhz drift for a temperature range of -40 ... +60 °C -- cheap no name equipment usually worse)

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-29 Thread Johannes Stezenbach
On Sat, Sep 29, 2007, Manu Abraham wrote: Johannes Stezenbach wrote: - LNBs have a constant error plus a temperature drift (e.g. +/-1MHz error, +/-3Mhz drift for a temperature range of -40 ... +60 °C -- cheap no name equipment usually worse) This is the old LNB, the one's we use

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-29 Thread Georg Acher
On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 04:18:31PM +0400, Manu Abraham wrote: - LNBs have a constant error plus a temperature drift (e.g. +/-1MHz error, +/-3Mhz drift for a temperature range of -40 ... +60 °C -- cheap no name equipment usually worse) This is the old LNB, the one's we use are

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-29 Thread Manu Abraham
Johannes Stezenbach wrote: On Sat, Sep 29, 2007, Manu Abraham wrote: Johannes Stezenbach wrote: - LNBs have a constant error plus a temperature drift (e.g. +/-1MHz error, +/-3Mhz drift for a temperature range of -40 ... +60 °C -- cheap no name equipment usually worse) This is the old

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-29 Thread Manu Abraham
Hi, Wolfgang Wegner wrote: Hi, On Sat, Sep 29, 2007 at 04:18:31PM +0400, Manu Abraham wrote: Johannes Stezenbach wrote: 1) LNB drift - LNBs have a constant error plus a temperature drift (e.g. +/-1MHz error, +/-3Mhz drift for a temperature range of -40 ... +60 °C -- cheap no name

Re: [linux-dvb] Some thoughts and questions

2007-09-29 Thread Manu Abraham
Johannes Stezenbach wrote: On Sat, Sep 29, 2007, Manu Abraham wrote: ... Instead of losing myself in the details of your questions, some background info: 1) LNB drift That said, since we have different LNB LO drifts and the frontend driver doesn't know what the actual drift the LO is