Re: open source - is it that good..???

2002-04-09 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Shai Bentin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've read what you all have written. I tend to agree with all of > you. Oh... Now you'll get flamed by everybody... > 1. Give out certification for Open Source programs, according to some > well thought out and defined requirement list which they will

RE: open source - is it that good..???

2002-04-09 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Wed, 10 Apr 2002, Shai Bentin wrote: > I've read what you all have written. I tend to agree with all of you. > > On the one hand, looking at it through a business perspective, Open > Source does promote waist of programming hours, thus I agree that one > way is to form some sort of a committee

RE: open source - is it that good..???

2002-04-09 Thread Shai Bentin
I've read what you all have written. I tend to agree with all of you. On the one hand, looking at it through a business perspective, Open Source does promote waist of programming hours, thus I agree that one way is to form some sort of a committee which will be as widely accepted as possible and

Re: OT: Transparent Proxies in Israel

2002-04-09 Thread Ely Levy
If you want to be picky about it it actualy happens in every israeli universaty that is connected through macba Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On 8 Apr 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Eli Marmor wrote: > > >

A mini-tutorial for Shlomi [Was: I think I'll stick to Vim]

2002-04-09 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I read the tutorial, but it could only help me so far. Why when I type > "enter" does the cursor move to the beginning of the line, and wait for me > to press tab to indent itself properly? Maybe I'm too fixed on gvim, but > it seems to make perfect sense

Re: open source - is it that good..???

2002-04-09 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002, Yehuda Drori wrote about "open source - is it that good..???": > I would like to raise a point about OPEN SOURCE.. > I think there are a lot of human resources getting wasted with OPEN SOURCE > projects. >... The problem with this point of view is that it is too utilitaria

Re: open source - is it that good..???

2002-04-09 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Yehuda Drori wrote: > hi... > > I would like to raise a point about OPEN SOURCE.. > I think there are a lot of human resources getting wasted with OPEN SOURCE > projects. > > I've written a review where I spill my gut about it at: > > http://whatsup.org.il/modules.php?name=Rev

I think I'll stick to Vim for most things + Configuration Consistency[was Re: Bottom-up vs. Top-Down learning [was Re: Meta-Post:Emacs/Vim/Perl/Python/other utils usage questions]]

2002-04-09 Thread Shlomi Fish
Hi Nadav! Thanks for your reply - it was very informative. I read the tutorial, but it could only help me so far. Why when I type "enter" does the cursor move to the beginning of the line, and wait for me to press tab to indent itself properly? Maybe I'm too fixed on gvim, but it seems to make p

open source - is it that good..???

2002-04-09 Thread Yehuda Drori
hi... I would like to raise a point about OPEN SOURCE.. I think there are a lot of human resources getting wasted with OPEN SOURCE projects. I've written a review where I spill my gut about it at: http://whatsup.org.il/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=showcontent&id=7 and I would like you to res

Re: Ignoring changed section attributes for .modinfo

2002-04-09 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Muli Ben-Yehuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I searched on google for 'keith owens "Ignoring changed section > attributes for .modinfo"' and what comes up as the first hit? this > messages, posted by ... me. Oh, well, I did not guess that I hads to add 'Keith Owens' to my query... > http://lis

Re: Ignoring changed section attributes for .modinfo

2002-04-09 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Are you sure /usr/include/linux is a link to the kernel sources includes > or match the versions? If you look at the output I posted, you'll see that I specify system directories explicitly, so this is not the problem. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL

Ignoring changed section attributes for .modinfo

2002-04-09 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Hi, another question: I am trying to compile a kernel module for 2.2.19, and I am getting a weird warning from assembler: /tmp/ccTe0mDh.s: Assembler messages: /tmp/ccTe0mDh.s:9: Warning: Ignoring changed section attributes for .modinfo This happens for *any* code, including trivial "hello worl

Re: Bottom-up vs. Top-Down learning [was Re: Meta-Post: Emacs/Vim/Perl/Python/other utils usage questions]

2002-04-09 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote about "Bottom-up vs. Top-Down learning [was Re: Meta-Post: Emacs/Vim/Perl/Python/other utils usage questions]": > That's because you favour the top-down method of learning how to use a > piece of software. Read the tutorial, read the API reference, etc. etc

Re: The cursor when writing Hebrew in KDE 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Lars Knoll
> > > BTW, it isn't working in Kate for some reason. > > > > Yes, kate is completely broken for arabic and hebrew. > > the cursor progression also doesn't work in Kword, which is a shame... > (guess it will probably be fixed in koffice 1.2) Hopefully. Unfortunately, KDE does not have a lot of de

Bottom-up vs. Top-Down learning [was Re: Meta-Post: Emacs/Vim/Perl/Python/otherutils usage questions]

2002-04-09 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote about "Meta-Post: >Emacs/Vim/Perl/Python/other utils usage questions": > > I want to learn how to use and get around XEmacs properly. I am perfectly > > happy with gvim and XEmacs behaves very much like I don't wan

RE: The cursor when writing Hebrew in KDE 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Dvir Volk
> > BTW, it isn't working in Kate for some reason. > > Yes, kate is completely broken for arabic and hebrew. the cursor progression also doesn't work in Kword, which is a shame... (guess it will probably be fixed in koffice 1.2) but kedit really does the job. btw, i didn't manage to open hebrew

Re: bootnet.img with no floppy..

2002-04-09 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 09 April 2002 14:13, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > hi all, > > > > this may seem like kinda dumb question, but i am desperate. > > > > i have a laptop here, with cdrom and no floppy, windows NT currently > > installed i want to install RH7.2 on it, and i

Re: bootnet.img with no floppy..

2002-04-09 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 09 April 2002 15:27, Sagi Bashari wrote: > From: "Tzafrir Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > > hi all, > > > > > > this may seem like kinda dumb question, but i am desperate. > > > > > > i have a laptop here, with cdrom and no floppy, windows NT cur

Re: OT: Transparent Proxies in Israel

2002-04-09 Thread Shachar Shemesh
I'll leach this thread to reiterate an amusing problem I've had (actually, a friend of mine at work) with transparent proxies. I'll give you the rundown after investigation. We both read the Userfriendly comic strip (http://www.userfriendly.org/static). Their site uses Apache with mod_gzip ins

Re: bootnet.img with no floppy..

2002-04-09 Thread Sagi Bashari
From: "Tzafrir Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > > hi all, > > > > this may seem like kinda dumb question, but i am desperate. > > > > i have a laptop here, with cdrom and no floppy, windows NT currently installed > > i want to install RH7.2 on it, and i have no

Re: OT: Transparent Proxies in Israel

2002-04-09 Thread Eli Marmor
Alex Shnitman wrote: > > Internet Zahav also employs a transparent proxy: > ... > (We're connected via ADSL.) > > However, Israeli sites don't seem to be routed via that proxy. Great. This is exactly the type of answers that I looked for. I appreciate the willingness of everybody here to help,

Re: bootnet.img with no floppy..

2002-04-09 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > hi all, > > this may seem like kinda dumb question, but i am desperate. > > i have a laptop here, with cdrom and no floppy, windows NT currently installed > i want to install RH7.2 on it, and i have no install Cd's, just the ISO > images. this should be no pr

Re: Slightly OT: yellow pages blocks our browsers

2002-04-09 Thread Sagi Bashari
From: "Tzafrir Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > "if(navigator.appName == 'Netscape'){ > > location.href = > > "/?arena=&esi=0280a0441fb08305e3264ad8ba8d0beb&language=HEB&page=Integration > > -NetscapeMessage&previou > > sPage=Home&sessionId=24341017879960"; > > }" > > Any way to

Re: OT: Transparent Proxies in Israel

2002-04-09 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
Eli Marmor wrote: > > Nadav Har'El wrote: > > > What if you use HTTP headers, like "Pragma: no-cache" (the simplest) or > > "If-Modified-Since: "? I don't know how to tell a browser like Mozilla > . > Also "Cache-control: no-store" (or at least "no-cache"). > I already mentioned HTTP h

Re: OT: Transparent Proxies in Israel

2002-04-09 Thread Uri Bruck
On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, Sagi Bashari wrote: > From: "Nadav Har'El" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002, Eli Marmor wrote about "Re: OT: Transparent Proxies > in Israel": > > > But back to the original question: Can anybody list the ISP's that > > > don't use transparent proxies, even not for

Re: OT: Transparent Proxies in Israel

2002-04-09 Thread Alex Shnitman
Internet Zahav also employs a transparent proxy: alexsh@debian:~$ telnet www.cnn.com 80 Trying 64.236.16.84... Connected to wwwc.cnn.com. Escape character is '^]'. HEAD / HTTP/1.0 HTTP/1.0 200 OK Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 08:53:00 GMT Content-Length: 0 Content-Type: text/html Expires: Tue, 09 Apr 2

Re: OT: Transparent Proxies in Israel

2002-04-09 Thread Sagi Bashari
From: "Nadav Har'El" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002, Eli Marmor wrote about "Re: OT: Transparent Proxies in Israel": > > But back to the original question: Can anybody list the ISP's that > > don't use transparent proxies, even not for ADSL users who access > > foreign (long distance)

Re: The cursor when writing Hebrew in KDE 3.0

2002-04-09 Thread Lars Knoll
> BTW, it isn't working in Kate for some reason. Yes, kate is completely broken for arabic and hebrew. They do some weird painting optimisations in the editor that completely breaks for right to left languages. See also the thread on kde-devel a few days ago. We hopefully have found someone n

Re: Meta-Post: Emacs/Vim/Perl/Python/other utils usage questions

2002-04-09 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote about "Meta-Post: Emacs/Vim/Perl/Python/other utils usage questions": > I want to learn how to use and get around XEmacs properly. I am perfectly > happy with gvim and XEmacs behaves very much like I don't want it to, but > finding how to use it is a pain b

Re: OT: Transparent Proxies in Israel

2002-04-09 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002, Eli Marmor wrote about "Re: OT: Transparent Proxies in Israel": > Also "Cache-control: no-store" (or at least "no-cache"). > I already mentioned HTTP headers in this thread. > But I haven't thought about REQUEST headers, only RESPONSE headers. > However, implementing request

Re: Linux is Not legal ??

2002-04-09 Thread Amir Tal
On Tuesday 09 April 2002 04:18, guy keren wrote: > On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Amir Tal wrote: > > well, the people who posted their responces on NewsForge had their chance > > to say what they had in mind. i, personaly, think that its a load of crup > > to, and what i did was just bring the story in hebr

Re: Meta-Post: Emacs/Vim/Perl/Python/other utils usage questions

2002-04-09 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:12:33AM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > So, my question is: are "how to do this in XEmacs/Vim/Perl/Python/etc" > off-topic in this list or will reduce the SNR? They are not r It's off topic if there's a better suited list for the subject. It's not off topic if it's someho

Re: Meta-Post: Emacs/Vim/Perl/Python/other utils usage questions

2002-04-09 Thread Omer Zak
For Perl and Python, there are already other dedicated mailing lists. For XEmacs/Vim usage, the following question is an interesting one, and puts me in a dilemma. On one hand, I too could use some guidance, which will help me become power user of both editors. On the other hand, I am not intere

Re: Meta-Post: Emacs/Vim/Perl/Python/other utils usage questions

2002-04-09 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > So, my question: would forming a unix-utils mailing list, where people > will ask pesky usage questions, be a good idea? Why don't you just subscribe to the interesting newsgroups instead. Ask away on comp.emacs.xemacs - people do get answers there. --