Re: Linux Business Forum Meeting

2003-01-17 Thread Eli Marmor
A mid-summary of the discussion, for EVERYBODY: I don't think that they planned to have a conference, but a working meeting. I don't know if they have a room for unexpected participants. And there is no very active chairman that is so strict in giving the permission to talk (it's not a meeting of

Re: Linux Business Forum Meeting

2003-01-17 Thread Doron Ofek
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 áéåí ùéùé 17 éðåàø 2003, 09:31, Eli Marmor ëúá: Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: They mean very well, I presume, although sometimes they cluelessness can be ... well, amusing. For example, during the first meeting I had to try convince a Sun(!)

Re: Rename to GNU/Linux

2003-01-17 Thread Ely Levy
in no place I've seen RMS saying that it should be called GNU/linux cause of idles, I might be wrong but I'm preety sure that his most used argument is that a lot of gnu programers worked on the system and calling it linux gives credit only to the guy who made the kernel, do you have a written

Re: Linux Business Forum Meeting

2003-01-17 Thread Jonathan Ben Avraham
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Doron Ofek wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 áéåí ùéùé 17 éðåàø 2003, 09:31, Eli Marmor ëúá: Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: They mean very well, I presume, although sometimes they cluelessness can be ... well, amusing. For example, during the first

Re: Linux Business Forum Meeting

2003-01-17 Thread Doron Ofek
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 áéåí ùéùé 17 éðåàø 2003, 11:02, Jonathan Ben Avraham ëúá: On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Doron Ofek wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 áéåí ùéùé 17 éðåàø 2003, 09:31, Eli Marmor ëúá: Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: They mean very well,

Re: Rename to GNU/Linux

2003-01-17 Thread Ely Levy
this argument might had some point a while ago but today ? why should it be named gnu/linux and not kde/linux? I agree that GNU people did usefull stuff but so did kde/qt people and so did X11 people by giving credit to one group we inslult another. yea gnu did gcc and few other untilities and so

Re: Rename to GNU/Linux

2003-01-17 Thread Dan Armak
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 17 January 2003 12:51, Ely Levy wrote: this argument might had some point a while ago but today ? why should it be named gnu/linux and not kde/linux? I agree that GNU people did usefull stuff but so did kde/qt people and so did X11

Re: Rename to GNU/Linux

2003-01-17 Thread Dan Armak
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 17 January 2003 14:46, you wrote: in no place I've seen RMS saying that it should be called GNU/linux cause of idles, I might be wrong but I'm preety sure that his most used argument is that a lot of gnu programers worked on the system

Re: Rename to GNU/Linux

2003-01-17 Thread Ely Levy
then why Gnu/linux? call it GPL/linux or fs/linux Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Dan Armak wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 17 January 2003 12:51, Ely Levy wrote: this argument might had some point a while ago

Re: Rename to GNU/Linux

2003-01-17 Thread Dan Armak
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 17 January 2003 15:27, Ely Levy wrote: then why Gnu/linux? call it GPL/linux or fs/linux What matters is the meaning attributed to the act of naming, not to the name's literal meaning. To call something gpl/linux today wouldn't mean

Re: Rename to GNU/Linux

2003-01-17 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Amichai Rotman wrote: Hi JLCers, The RMS lecture I attended last Monday got me thinking about a lot of things. The most relevant to this posting would be giving credit when credit is due. So, I was thinking: Should I change the name of the Jerusalem Linux Club (JLC)

Re: Linux Business Forum Meeting

2003-01-17 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Shaul Karl wrote: Can you tell how did you heard about it? I am just trying to find out how information flow, who is who, what interests various players have and so on. Nothing personal and no criticism. It was sent for a manually maintained list of E-mail addresses. I

Re: Linux Business Forum Meeting

2003-01-17 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 01:02, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: Are you sure it was Motti? Yes, it was Motti. I did not write Motti, I wrote a Sun representative and I wrote that on purpose. At any rate, it was him ;-) It would be naive assume that just because Motti is using Windows on his

Re: Rename to GNU/Linux

2003-01-17 Thread Christoph Bugel
On 2003-01-17 Dan Armak wrote: On Friday 17 January 2003 14:46, you wrote: in no place I've seen RMS saying that it should be called GNU/linux cause of idles, I might be wrong but I'm preety sure that his most used argument is that a lot of gnu programers worked on the system and calling

Re: Rename to GNU/Linux

2003-01-17 Thread Uri Bruck
and then there's The Gnu Song http://www.poppyfields.net/poppy/songs/gnu.html On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Ely Levy wrote: well like the famous song about parat moshe rabenu says pashot likroa la GNU ve hi tavo myad;) Ely Levy System group Hebrew University Jerusalem Israel -- Thanks, Uri

Re: Rename to GNU/Linux

2003-01-17 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Christoph Bugel wrote: Personally I find the term GNU/Linux somewhat unpractical. Maybe that's not a good excuse if it is really important, Haven't figured that out for myself yet. The original name was simply 'GNU' (the GNU OS). GNU is even shorter than linux, but I have

Re: Cannot stat iglu.org.il with apt-get update

2003-01-17 Thread Barry Rabinowitz
Is iglu.org.il up and running or is there some other reason for the HTTP 404 I get when I try to update apt with ftp.iglu.org.il in my source.list? Have been trying to install skipstone, to no avail. I am using Woody . Barry.

Re: which TV card?

2003-01-17 Thread Shaul Karl
On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 09:33:04AM +0200, Christoph Bugel wrote: I bought a Pinnacle TV card (at Kosmos URL please? Just interested to know where to look for staff. www.[kc]osmos.co.il doesn't seem fit since it is about optical equipment. Or is it the grocery store chain? -- Shaul

Re: Rename to GNU/Linux

2003-01-17 Thread Amichai Rotman
On Friday 17 January 2003 13:46, you wrote: I personally support them, but then again, I'm not a member of your users group (see: I've dodged this one ;-) ) so what I think here is not relevant. I aimed at starting a discussion about the subject, that is why I posted this issue to the

Re: Cannot stat iglu.org.il with apt-get update

2003-01-17 Thread Shaul Karl
On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 12:13:49AM -0200, Barry Rabinowitz wrote: Is iglu.org.il up and running or is there some other reason for the HTTP 404 I get when I try to update apt with ftp.iglu.org.il in my source.list? Have been trying to install skipstone, to no avail. I am using

Re: Rename to GNU/Linux

2003-01-17 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Christoph Bugel wrote: On 2003-01-17Dan Armak wrote: On Friday 17 January 2003 14:46, you wrote: in no place I've seen RMS saying that it should be called GNU/linux cause of idles, I might be wrong but I'm preety sure that his most used argument is that a lot of

Again: Cables configuration

2003-01-17 Thread Eran Levy
I have tried all the things you have told me to get more information: tcpdump, traceroute/tracepath, delete all iptables rules and etc... I didnt got the problem yet. 1. But I got only one thing: I cant resolve names. It taking for a few minutes to show me the routing table. when I display my