Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

On Tuesday 18 August 2009 13:51:02 Danny Lieberman wrote: > 3. Have a single 24x7 point of service contact > You have a contact at google? Do tell! We've been paying google for years, and yet haven't been able to get any human answer (or any answer for that matter that is not a link to the usel

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

2009/8/19 Danny Lieberman > I don't sell Google Apps but I suggest reading their story at > http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/details.html > To ask my question again - if you say that you use Google Apps but not Google Docs or GMail or Calendar - so what's left in Google Apps besides i

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

2009/8/19 Shachar Shemesh > Danny Lieberman wrote: > > Mike > > To set the record straight - my comment about preferring Google Apps > mail/calendar related to a fairly innocent question by Yonatan regarding the > allternatives to Squirell Mail etc for Hebrew support. > > Then lets, do, return

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

Danny Lieberman wrote: Mike To set the record straight - my comment about preferring Google Apps mail/calendar related to a fairly innocent question by Yonatan regarding the allternatives to Squirell Mail etc for Hebrew support. Then lets, do, return to the original question. Does gmail kn

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

Mike Allow me to give you a cold dose of reality A. Internal email is never 'confidential'. 1. As long as you have Web access, mobile devices and USB sticks - you may assume that everything an employee has access to in the company can and will be sent to people outside the company. This is not

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

2009/8/18 Danny Lieberman > Shachar > > On the Internet - size is not an indication of threat surface. Ability to > provision and maintain is more important. > > You have to engineer your solution to your needs. > > For us - the combination of Google Apps, slicehost (for smaller projects) / > rac

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

ronys wrote: Hi Shachar, 'urban legend' may be a bit strong. The reference I had in mind was http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html which is a bit dated (circa 1996, plus a couple of undated epilogues), but sti

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

Shachar On the Internet - size is not an indication of threat surface. Ability to provision and maintain is more important. You have to engineer your solution to your needs. For us - the combination of Google Apps, slicehost (for smaller projects) / rackspace (for big projects) rocks. Google Ap

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

Amos Shapira wrote: 2009/8/18 Danny Lieberman : d) We deploy security countermeasures to protect assets: 0) We don't use Google docs, Never. 1) None of our really sensitive assets are on Google Apps and that includes Calendar and Mail So what's left from your use of Google? BTW - do y

RE: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

Hi Shachar, 'urban legend' may be a bit strong. The reference I had in mind was http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html which is a bit dated (circa 1996, plus a couple of undated epilogues), but still an interesting read. Of course, if you're going to keep sensitive data on

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

2009/8/18 Danny Lieberman : > d) We deploy security countermeasures to protect assets: > 0) We don't use Google docs, Never. > 1) None of our really sensitive assets are on Google Apps and that includes > Calendar and Mail So what's left from your use of Google? BTW - do you (the plural "you" to

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

rony good point.shred with strings of zeroes is probably even better than erasing. d 2009/8/18 ronys > Note that if you're going to dd, at least use if=/dev/urandom. Running dd > several (>10) times is best (or using shred(1), which does the same). > > Rony > >

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

ronys wrote: Note that if you're going to dd, at least use if=/dev/urandom. Running dd several (>10) times is best (or using shred(1), which does the same). Rony I am familiar with the urban legend. From what I read about the technique by which you reconstruct older generation data, I'm not su

RE: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

Note that if you're going to dd, at least use if=/dev/urandom. Running dd several (>10) times is best (or using shred(1), which does the same). Rony _ From: linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il [mailto:linux-il-boun...@cs.huji.ac.il] On Behalf Of Shachar Shemesh Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 20

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

yes - dd + hammer. true story - we did a security audit for a h-tech client who conveniently put all their decommissioned disks in a barrel in the yard of the factory. :-) On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > Danny Lieberman wrote: > > > 3. Use a 10kg hammer. > We have cli

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

Danny Lieberman wrote: 3. Use a 10kg hammer. We have clients that insist on physical destruction of the data disk after a network surveillance. Do you, at least, FIRST run the dd? I'm sure you realize that recovering data from a disk that got only the 10KG hammer is much easier (and cheape

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

Shachar You see - that as soon as we start talking about money, the risk assessment discussion gets more serious. 1. Google Apps Premium is $50/user/year ( higher volume/more demanding service levels). Google Apps Standard is free - we use it for our community involvement sites like www.jpbig

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Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

Danny Lieberman wrote: Shachar, Geoff b) the threat probability of one of our operations getting a US court injunction is so low that I don't even bother with security countermeasures. OTOH - the threat of dos/web defacing/site downtime/poor response time is high enough that we considered an

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

Shachar, Geoff "Mechila" if I used circular logic previously If I may - One can take a "live free or die" approach - that is ok. Or can take a "practical threat" approach that considers asset value, probability of threats, amount of damage caused by threats that exploit vulnerabilities and co

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Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

On Aug 18, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Shachar Shemesh wrote: Your claimed price of "zero" disregards certain costs. For example, you do not count the cost in loss of privacy and the cost of having your emails available for parties to summon from Google using the court system without your knowledge

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

Danny Lieberman wrote: You feel more secure DIY (and are probably factually less secure) I feel more secure with Google Apps (and are probably factually more secure) I like the way you give your opinion, and then back it up by your opinion of how things are. People don't leave space for the po

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

On Tuesday 18 August 2009, Danny Lieberman wrote: > Google Applications. It's free and it's great > > Don't even think about hosting your own Webmail - > Don't forget that Google is a public company and will do whatever is in the best interest of its stock holders, regardless of your interest as

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Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

good for you. I disagree with the Google security statement and since my cost is zero for spam free content and always up mail services for 4 business units I would say that zero is always more cost-effective than your own time. I can't argue the security point with you because there are always

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Danny Lieberman wrote: Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:41:38 +0300 From: Danny Lieberman To: Jonathan Ben Avraham Cc: ILUG Subject: Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support Yonatan what you're saying is that you are capable of managing security better

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

Yonatan what you're saying is that you are capable of managing security better than google. that is highly arguable. Our own experience is that we ran qmail/squirrel qmail/clamAV/Spam Assassin for 5 years thru 2007. In 2007 - the amount of administration and image spam made the entire exercise

Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

On Tue, 18 Aug 2009, Danny Lieberman wrote: Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 11:09:21 +0300 From: Danny Lieberman To: Dave Stav Cc: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il Subject: Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support Google Applications. It's free and it's great Don't even think about ho

Re: Looking for Jerusalem DID

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Re: Suggestion for a webmail application with good Hebrew Support

Google Applications. It's free and it's great Don't even think about hosting your own Webmail - On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Dave Stav wrote: > Dear list members, > > We are looking for a webmail application that has good support in Hebrew > messages (encoding and ltr/rtl). > > So far, it