Re: small linux hardware

2011-01-10 Thread Marc Volovic
Gumstix are quite expensive comparatively. ---MAV Marc. Volovic +972-54-467-6764 marcvolo...@me.com Sent from my iPhone On Jan 10, 2011, at 23:05, Michael Tewner wrote: 2011/1/10 Erez D I am looking for a linux hardware which would be small, low power and cheep I found the telit GE863-

Re: Die GNU autotools

2011-01-10 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 10/01/11 23:22, Elazar Leibovich wrote: But then again, this software is usable today on many platforms, and it makes life easier maintainance-wise for 99.9% of the use cases, and using it in a special way is possible without too much hassle. Let's compare the situation there with the sit

Re: Die GNU autotools

2011-01-10 Thread Elazar Leibovich
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > (The bad thing is that in some places you use 'g++' directly, regardless > of what is defined in CC. Not to mention some environments would > override CC with some other cc) > Indeed this is an error. Happens in four places only though, a

Re: Die GNU autotools

2011-01-10 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:22:46PM +0200, Elazar Leibovich wrote: > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > > [snipped] > > Yeah. You have your own hand-crafted Makefiles. With the only > > special-case of Darwin. No need to be portable. > > > > All your issues are valid from pu

Re: Die GNU autotools

2011-01-10 Thread Elazar Leibovich
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > [snipped] > Yeah. You have your own hand-crafted Makefiles. With the only > special-case of Darwin. No need to be portable. > All your issues are valid from purity POV. Indeed in some rare cases compiling C files with g++, when cross compili

Re: small linux hardware

2011-01-10 Thread Michael Tewner
2011/1/10 Erez D > I am looking for a linux hardware which would be small, low power and cheep > > I found the telit GE863-PRO (pdf: > http://www.telit.com/module/infopool/download.php?id=725 ) > which is actually a gprs module + linux on arm9. it is 41.4x31.4x3.6 mm in > size and i can get it in

Re: Die GNU autotools

2011-01-10 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 09:02:15PM +0200, Elazar Leibovich wrote: > You gave a very good history lesson about the need and reasons for > autotools. > > The thing is, many of the software written now, is not intended to run on > HP-UX framework. I'm not a Unix expert, but maybe modern unices are mo

Re: Die GNU autotools

2011-01-10 Thread Elazar Leibovich
You gave a very good history lesson about the need and reasons for autotools. The thing is, many of the software written now, is not intended to run on HP-UX framework. I'm not a Unix expert, but maybe modern unices are more POSIX compliant than in the past. So I think developers prefer to write

Re: What to tell 13 year old kids about Linux and Open Source?

2011-01-10 Thread Mordecha Behar
Oddly enough this reminds me of one of my favorite comics: http://xkcd.com/456/ > Justin has hit on the most powerful point, i.e. being different from > adults like their fuddy-duddy parents. "Hey, kids! Be the first on your > block to have a good reason to talk down to your old man!" It's > irr

Re: What to tell 13 year old kids about Linux and Open Source?

2011-01-10 Thread Stan Goodman
On Monday 10 January 2011 13:44:11 Justin wrote: > 13yr old? I'd emphasize that Linux doesn't host spyware either by > infection, trojan or the manufacturers. So it's less likely to record > your porn browsing habits. (hey it worked for IE8) > > I might also point out that Windows is what grump

Re: What to tell 13 year old kids about Linux and Open Source?

2011-01-10 Thread Mordecha Behar
1) Most hardware elements are pretty idiot-proof. There's only one way to plug them in, and only one place they can go. But you can skip this step if you want. A lot of people buy new computers even when their old one isn't exactly broken, it's just not up to spec. People want faster, more powerfu

Re: Die GNU autotools

2011-01-10 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 10/01/11 15:53, Shlomi Fish wrote: SET(LIBTCMALLOC_LIB_LIST) IF (NOT CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE STREQUAL debug) IF (NOT FCS_AVOID_TCMALLOC) # Optionally link against Google's TCMalloc if it's available: # http://goog-perftools.sourceforge.net/ # This gives better

Re: Die GNU autotools

2011-01-10 Thread Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh
On 01/10/11 14:02, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:49:25PM +0200, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: >> LOL. >> >> My feelings too. A while ago I got so tired of autotools that I even >> started working on my own build system intended as a semi-drop-in >> replacement. It's purely ma

Re: Die GNU autotools

2011-01-10 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 10/01/11 15:09, Nadav Har'El wrote: Things like Cmake and Adon-Banai can hardly be considered replacements to Autoconf - perhaps they are better "make", perhaps they are "imake done again", but not "better than autoconf". I tried, twice, in the past to poke people who were recommending CM

Re: Die GNU autotools

2011-01-10 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 03:09:03PM +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011, Shlomi Fish wrote about "Re: Die GNU autotools": > > On Monday 10 Jan 2011 12:49:25 Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: > > > My feelings too. A while ago I got so tired of autotools that I even > > > started working

Re: Die GNU autotools

2011-01-10 Thread Nadav Har'El
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011, Shlomi Fish wrote about "Re: Die GNU autotools": > On Monday 10 Jan 2011 12:49:25 Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: > > My feelings too. A while ago I got so tired of autotools that I even > > started working on my own build system intended as a semi-drop-in > > replacement. It

Re: Die GNU autotools

2011-01-10 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:49:25PM +0200, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: > LOL. > > My feelings too. A while ago I got so tired of autotools that I even > started working on my own build system intended as a semi-drop-in > replacement. It's purely make-based. If interested, take a look at > the

Re: What to tell 13 year old kids about Linux and Open Source?

2011-01-10 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 08:35:36AM +0200, Gabor Szabo wrote: > hi, > > in the school of my son they are interested in getting some 1 hour long > presentations from parents about various interesting subject. > > I could talk hours and days about Linux and Open Source in general > but I wonder what

Re: What to tell 13 year old kids about Linux and Open Source?

2011-01-10 Thread Justin
13yr old? I'd emphasize that Linux doesn't host spyware either by infection, trojan or the manufacturers. So it's less likely to record your porn browsing habits. (hey it worked for IE8) I might also point out that Windows is what grumpy adults are forced to use in their offices. And the people

Re: Die GNU autotools

2011-01-10 Thread Amit Elbaz
haha, good one. anyway, use CMake :) On 01/10/2011 12:09 PM, Amos Shapira wrote: Sorry but I felt compelled to share this book title with you: I saw a book entitled "Die GNU Autotools" and I thought "My feelings exactly". Turns out the book was in German. ref: http://twitter.com/timmartin2/sta

Re: Die GNU autotools

2011-01-10 Thread Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh
LOL. My feelings too. A while ago I got so tired of autotools that I even started working on my own build system intended as a semi-drop-in replacement. It's purely make-based. If interested, take a look at the sources http://sources.total-knowledge.com/gitweb/?p=adon-banai.git On 01/10/11 12:09,

Re: What to tell 13 year old kids about Linux and Open Source?

2011-01-10 Thread Gabor Szabo
Mordecha, That actually sounds like a brilliant idea. Maybe I could ask them to bring all kinds of spare parts of a computer and old computers they might have at home and we could try to put together one ore more new computers and install Linux on it. This project could be spread on several meet

Die GNU autotools

2011-01-10 Thread Amos Shapira
Sorry but I felt compelled to share this book title with you: I saw a book entitled "Die GNU Autotools" and I thought "My feelings exactly". Turns out the book was in German. ref: http://twitter.com/timmartin2/status/23365017839599616 Hope you understand, --Amos ___

Re: What to tell 13 year old kids about Linux and Open Source?

2011-01-10 Thread Mordecha Behar
Another thing I just thought of. As has been correctly pointed out, kids this age are nearly always end-users. So why not point out the end user experience of Linux? Lots of eye-candy, stability, not needing to reboot every time you install a program, the simplicity of finding and installing progra

Re: What to tell 13 year old kids about Linux and Open Source?

2011-01-10 Thread Nadav Har'El
There have been some very good ideas in this thread (and I'm collecting them to use on my daughter when she's a little older ;-)), and I just wanted to add my two cents: On Mon, Jan 10, 2011, Alex Shnitman wrote about "Re: What to tell 13 year old kids about Linux and Open Source?": > Come on, gu

Re: small linux hardware

2011-01-10 Thread Baruch Siach
Hi Erez, On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:08:52AM +0200, Erez D wrote: > I am looking for a linux hardware which would be small, low power and cheep > > I found the telit GE863-PRO (pdf: > http://www.telit.com/module/infopool/download.php?id=725 ) > which is actually a gprs module + linux on arm9. it i

Re: small linux hardware

2011-01-10 Thread Shachar Shemesh
On 10/01/11 10:39, Baruch Siach wrote: See http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il/msg53770.html for some pointers from Marc. Last time I checked, compulab were doing small form factor and cheap PCs, while the original poster asked about sub 50$ devices (ARM). Orange, meet Appl

Re: What to tell 13 year old kids about Linux and Open Source?

2011-01-10 Thread Alex Shnitman
Come on, guys, kids don't give a rat's ass about what's legal and what isn't. Even many adults don't. Those arguments may work in corporations, but certainly not in a school. Same thing about vendor lock-in: you're talking in adult terms here, they know nothing about it and they don't care. The fi

Re: small linux hardware

2011-01-10 Thread Baruch Siach
Hi Erez, On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:08:52AM +0200, Erez D wrote: > I am looking for a linux hardware which would be small, low power and cheep > > I found the telit GE863-PRO (pdf: > http://www.telit.com/module/infopool/download.php?id=725 ) > which is actually a gprs module + linux on arm9. it i

Re: small linux hardware

2011-01-10 Thread Yedidyah Bar-David
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:08:52AM +0200, Erez D wrote: > I am looking for a linux hardware which would be small, low power and cheep > > I found the telit GE863-PRO (pdf: > http://www.telit.com/module/infopool/download.php?id=725 ) > which is actually a gprs module + linux on arm9. it is 41.4x31.

small linux hardware

2011-01-10 Thread Erez D
I am looking for a linux hardware which would be small, low power and cheep I found the telit GE863-PRO (pdf: http://www.telit.com/module/infopool/download.php?id=725 ) which is actually a gprs module + linux on arm9. it is 41.4x31.4x3.6 mm in size and i can get it in 50$ (in quantities) however

Re: What to tell 13 year old kids about Linux and Open Source?

2011-01-10 Thread amichay p. k.
i don't think that he should try to scare them, it's not the target. teenagers will simply revolt and wont listen to him. 2011/1/10 Etzion Bar-Noy > These kids are used to these four freedoms, illegal, but works fir them. > > You may want to stress that their current (probable) actions are illeg

Re: What to tell 13 year old kids about Linux and Open Source?

2011-01-10 Thread Uri Even-Chen
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 09:48, Etzion Bar-Noy wrote: > These kids are used to these four freedoms, illegal, but works fir them. If software is not open source, such as Windows and Microsoft Office, they don't have the freedom to modify it and redistribute it to friends. This is a basic freedom i