Re: [OT[ Meeting with Lionel Elie Mamane

2008-04-13 Thread shaulka
Hello, I am unlikely to attend the meeting. I might change my mind. Are you expecting people that come by bus from out side of Jerusalem? Such people obviously bound to the time table that imposed by Egged/whatever its names are. Is it acceptable to attend without letting you know in advance?

Re: integrating ftp client within an application on linux

2007-10-25 Thread shaulka
I googled for libftp. 1st result was:ftplibftplib is a set of routines that implement the FTP protocol. They allowapplications to create and access remote files through function calls ...- nbpfaus.net/~pfau/ftplib/Usual disclaimer inserted.- Original Message -From: Rafi Cohen <[EMAIL PRO

Re: 012 landline (072) VoIP settings

2007-10-11 Thread shaulka
`SunRocket gizmo' is, or was, (one of) their phone adapter.You might want to google for it.- Original Message -From: Ilya Konstantinov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thursday, October 11, 2007 21:32Subject: 012 landline (072) VoIP settingsTo: linux-il > Hi,> > Does anyone on this list own a 0

Re: IGLU down?

2007-09-15 Thread shaulka
On Saturday, September 15, 2007 11:41 pm, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > So, instead of asking for iglu to come back up, I think it would be > moreconstructive to say what it was in iglu.org.il you were looking > for,thus focusing our effort into stuff people actually use! > > Thanks, > Shachar >

Re: USB UPS -> MGE ups systems?

2007-02-14 Thread shaulka
On Wednesday, February 14, 2007 8:11 pm, David Suna wrote: > The USB UPS is made by Gammatronic. Don't know about Gammatronic. > > Alternatively, does anyone have a specific UPS that they recommend > to use with Linux? MGE ups systems? ==

Have you rulled out a udev rule?

2006-12-17 Thread shaulka
Maxim Vexler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > And WTF did eth1_rename_ren came from ? > > Appreciate your input, output or regex, I would have tried to grep /etc/udev to see if there is an undesirable udev rule? = To unsubscribe,

Re: Archive of this list

2006-04-25 Thread shaulka
On Tuesday, April 25, 2006, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Done: gmane was added to the list of archives, and the "Archives of > Linux-IL" > in the LUG Resources now point there. > Thank you. I wonder whether adding the goole searching tip that was mentioned here lately (`site:mirror.hamakor.org.il/

Re: Archive of this list

2006-04-24 Thread shaulka
On Monday, April 24, 2006 9:50, Shlomi Fish wrote: > On Monday 24 April 2006 02:28, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.region.israel > > > http://mail-archive.com/linux-il%40cs.huji.ac.il/ > > > > Can iglu.org.il lists these URLs too where Hamakor archive is > menti

Re: Archive of this list

2006-04-23 Thread shaulka
> > http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.region.israel > http://mail-archive.com/linux-il%40cs.huji.ac.il/ > Can iglu.org.il lists these URLs too where Hamakor archive is mentioned ? > Don't know about years back history storage, but for recent > discussions (up to a few months back) both those

Archive of this list

2006-04-21 Thread shaulka
http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il/, which http://www.iglu.org.il calls `Archive of Linux-IL', ends on 12.3.2006. Am I missing some things ? = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" i

Re: debian 2.6 install and adsl

2006-04-19 Thread shaulka
As was already mentioned, for pppoe one has to get the eth interface up with /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up. The question is how to overide the installer intentions to set the IP and the other parameters for the eth interface. I hardly remember how to use the installer. What comes to mind is: 1) Goo

Re: Gamatronic Smart Compact 750 with NUTs

2006-03-22 Thread shaulka
From: Shlomo Dubrowin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:26 pm Subject: Gamatronic Smart Compact 750 with NUTs > Does anyone have a Gamatronic UPS (I specifically have a Smart > Compact 750) > working with NUTs (Network UPS Tools)? > > I have been going through all the drivers a

Re: resizing /

2002-10-27 Thread shaulka
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 05:53:50PM +0200, Oleg Kobets wrote: > How about booting from other Linux (such as Live cd or diskette or > something) and using the available tools such as - parted to resize / > > :) > The way I did it is: 1. Get the parted source (1.6) and follow the compiling part o

Re: Rotal USB ADSL *almost* success

2002-10-27 Thread shaulka
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 11:38:58PM +0200, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: > > Anyway, the good (great?) news is that I managed to get connected. The bad > news is that after about a minute, the connection died. It didn't say it > died (the small ppp monitor next to the CPU monitor continued to be

Re: Who's the Open Source Guru in ....

2002-10-27 Thread shaulka
On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 12:52:36AM +0200, Daniel Feiglin wrote: > Hello folks! > > Who if anyone, is considered to be an open source guru/advocate in the > Knesset? > If none, is there anyone there who might know what it is? > > Thanks, > > Daniel > > P.S. This is NOT O.T. in my view. > Was

Re: Rotal USB ADSL modem instructions

2002-10-27 Thread shaulka
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 06:14:59PM +0200, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: > > >> 2. Running "startmodem" (from Hetz's instructions) results in the > >firmware > >> being installed, the modem initialized and then the following was > >printed: > >> Connect Modem ... > >> using channel 1 > >> ioctl(PP

Re: Rotal USB ADSL modem instructions

2002-10-27 Thread shaulka
On Sun, Oct 27, 2002 at 01:18:46AM +0200, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: > Well, some news: > > 1. After many difficulties and pain, I've installed 2.4.20-pre11 with ohci > support built in. > Hopefully compiling the kernel will be painless next time. > 2. Running "startmodem" (from Hetz's ins

Re: SUCCSESS: Rotal ADSL USB modem

2002-10-26 Thread shaulka
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 08:47:36PM +0200, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: > > >4. When you say the machine hang, what does it mean? More specifically, > > can you remote login with another machine? > > When I say it hangs, I mean that it hangs :-) Pressing caps lock doesn't > change the caps lock

Re: Rotal USB ADSL modem instructions

2002-10-26 Thread shaulka
On Sat, Oct 26, 2002 at 12:33:27AM +0200, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: > Well, actually, searching for "modprobe usb-ohci" hang yields only 8 > results, and the only relevant one is this question (with no answer) on a > newsgroup: > >http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=34b40737.0109020745.184f

Re: SUCCSESS: Rotal ADSL USB modem

2002-10-25 Thread shaulka
On Fri, Oct 25, 2002 at 06:31:53PM +0200, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: > > I did get closer to the source of the problem though, I think: > In my rc.sysinit file, I've commented out the following line: > /etc/init.d/usb start > (and of course the "if" line preceding it) > > It no longer hangs at

Re: SUCCSESS: Rotal ADSL USB modem

2002-10-24 Thread shaulka
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 10:53:43PM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Indeed, what were the results of appending init=/bin/sh? > > Similarily, one can try booting into single user mode and then reconnect > > the modem. > > No point in booting to singl

Re: Rotal USB ADSL modem instructions

2002-10-24 Thread shaulka
On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 11:00:07PM +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > > Now - some notes: > > 1. I don't have a clue why, but with Bezeq International DNS settings (at > least what "dig" gives me - 192.115.106.11, 192.115.106.10) - I get lots of > DNS unresolving problems - sites like news.com, www.z

Re: SUCCSESS: Rotal ADSL USB modem

2002-10-24 Thread shaulka
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 09:06:04PM +0200, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: > > >What about doing a web search for `USB Linux' or `USB Linux hang'? > >Posting to the equivalent of debian-user? > > The first thing I did when encountering this problem. The only relevant > piece is some bug report again

Re: SUCCSESS: Rotal ADSL USB modem

2002-10-24 Thread shaulka
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 09:00:28PM +0200, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: > > I've now installed Mandrake 9.0... How do I boot with the equivalent of > init=/bin/bash with lilo? > IIRC, on my system you have to press the key in order to signal lilo to wait for input and then enter init=/bin/bash

Re: SUCCSESS: Rotal ADSL USB modem

2002-10-24 Thread shaulka
On Thu, Oct 24, 2002 at 05:24:11PM +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Alexander Maryanovsky wrote: > > > > > >>reboot mandrake 9, open konsole and do "tail -f /var/log/messages" (as > > >>root) - > > >>then plug the modem and see what it's writing on the log. > > > > > >As soon as

Re: SUCCSESS: Rotal ADSL USB modem

2002-10-23 Thread shaulka
On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 10:15:50AM +0200, Hetz Ben-Hamo wrote: > > Is this another modem that does NAT on its own? > > No no, it's those cheap-o modem, a.k.a Win ADSL modem - totally dumb thing;) > Does that mean that the modem uses the hosting machine hardware for tasks which more expensive

ADSL PCI (internal) modem.

2002-10-21 Thread shaulka
Considering ADSL PCI (internal) modems: Gooling a bit in the lkml and on other sites shows: 1. There is a demand for Linux drivers. 2. Mostly due to closed hardware specifications there are currently no drivers. Am I missing something? Perhaps Orcit will be willing to consider manufac

Re: Webmasters

2002-10-13 Thread shaulka
On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 11:56:53PM +0200, Ely Levy wrote: > Who can I talk to on things related to iglu web/server? > I tried linux-il-web but got no answer.. > > > Ely Levy > System group > Hebrew University > Jerusalem Israel > Your last resort is to post it here. However in case you didn'

Re: [OT] Server for sale

2002-10-09 Thread shaulka
I find your report interesting and in place. I do support, up to a point, which is not reached yet, `looking/selling old hardware' messages in this list. I believe there are more people here who consider it in a positive manner. -- Shaul Karl, [EMAIL PROTECTED] e t ===

Re: Linux + Internet by Kvalim

2002-10-09 Thread shaulka
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 12:01:13AM +0200, Adir Abraham wrote: > On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Boulgakov Andrei wrote: > > > Hi! > > What is the way to connect Linux to Inet by Kvalim? Is it the same as ADSL? > > Naturally, you will get a cable modem which will let you be connected via > a USB slot or via

Re: job wanted also - NOT - YES!

2002-10-06 Thread shaulka
On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 02:19:37PM +0300, Guy Cohen wrote: > Well since every one dont give a f*ck about the list and > thinks it's their mothers, i want too. > > HEY... IM LOOKING FOR A JOB CAN YOU HALP ME > I DONT CARE IF THATS OFFTOPIC/INAPPROPRIATE/RUDE/WTF I DONT CARE!! > > I WANT A JO

Re: (1) punch-down tool (2) collectively buying a CAT5 _solid_ cable

2002-10-03 Thread shaulka
On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 12:57:52PM +0300, Guy Cohen wrote: > Hi, > > Sender: Shaul Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Is what i see in the header... any idea why? > Here is most of the header of the message that I got back from the list: Received: from m2.bezeqint.net (192.115.106.47) by iglu.o

(1) punch-down tool (2) collectively buying a CAT5 _solid_ cable

2002-10-03 Thread shaulka
1. A punch-down tool. A punch down tool is used to insert the wires that are coming out of a CAT5 cable into the proper places in a wall socket. Or so I am told. In Hebrew it is called LOHETZ and it is a different tool then the one that is used for crimping the RJ45 connectors into a CAT5 cabl

Re: [OT] What and Where: ethernet cables for home networking

2002-09-19 Thread shaulka
On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 12:13:39PM +0300, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote: > On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 11:42:18AM +0300, Dan Kenigsberg wrote: > > I recall that a while ago, there has been a discussion in the subject. > > I'm afraid I failed to find the thread, and anyways - maybe things have changed. > >

Re: iptables flush doesn't kill RELATED packets

2002-09-18 Thread shaulka
On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 10:21:17AM +0200, Assaf Flatto wrote: > stop the IPtables deamon running in the background would be a good start . > > /etc/init.d/iptables stop > or > service iptables stop > > > Assi > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Gamatronic UPS software or compatible

2002-09-11 Thread shaulka
On Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 11:32:34PM +0300, Max K. wrote: > On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Ariel Biener wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > >I need such for a Gamatronic UPS (I don't know what make, it's owned by > > a TAU proffessor). It has serial port, and I need it on RedHat 7.3. > the Gamat

Re: question about a gateway, fax..

2002-09-02 Thread shaulka
On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 01:04:22AM +0300, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > > A) wouldn't a 486 be good enough as a Linux fax server? > > (I guess your problem is there are no ISA slots on today's boards) > > Yes, but 486 got more chances if being broken, really depends on your luck (I > had to replace fou

Re: basic debian question

2002-09-02 Thread shaulka
> > Where can I find a mirror? I drilled down > ftp://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/debian... > and couldn't find actual debs. > > Arie Folger For a deb with g as the first letter of its name, say galeon, you might try ftp://ftp.rutgers.edu/pub/debian/pool/main/g/galeon However if you know what the pr

Re: basic debian question

2002-09-02 Thread shaulka
> I wrote: > > > How do you download the whole binary tree? In RH I simply downloaded the > > > iso-images and then applied all subsequent upgrades. Debian seems to > > > function differently; when I browsed an ftp mirror, I couldn't find the > > > actual packages. > > Tzafrir Cohen: > > (ISO ima

Re: Cisco Catalyst 2924XL Switch

2002-08-31 Thread shaulka
On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 09:21:20PM +0300, Official Flamer/Cabal NON-Leader wrote: > Quoth Ido: > > > This is a one time thingy, so please don't flame. > > Actually, I am highly in favour of a general and a Linux related > alt.old.weird.stuff.for.sale. I just think it should be in its own list. >

Minimal size of Win95 partition required only for ISP support?

2002-08-31 Thread shaulka
What is the partition size required for a minimal installation of Win 95? Suppose I will at some point replace Win 95 with XP. What is the partition size required for a minimal installation of Win XP? What is meant by minimal installation of Win {95,XP}? I plan to resize my hard drive. The

Re: Whare can i buy the latest version of RedHat (7.3?)

2002-08-27 Thread shaulka
On Mon, Aug 26, 2002 at 08:00:56PM +0300, Amir Tal wrote: > On Monday 26 August 2002 20:42, zuri zadok wrote: > > try bug store. > i know the tel aviv branch has it. > tal. > I believe BUG is awfully expensive. Maybe I am wrong. Some other options I can think of: 1. Not sure if it is www.igui

Was Debian/unstable stopped from being updated for months?

2002-08-21 Thread shaulka
You wrote a few days ago that (not to mention) months of freeze time when unstable is stopped from being updated as well. Are you sure about it? Could it be that you are referring to the crypto-in-main merge, although I am not sure if unstable was not updated at that time. I also

Re: Linux Installation Party

2002-08-20 Thread shaulka
On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 09:03:54PM +0200, Tal Achituv wrote: > Hi everyone. > > Tomorrow or the day after, I`ll meet with the P.R. manager of the > Renanaim Mall, > on the location and date issues, > > Currently we are trying to determine if it would be best to do it on the > roof > or inside

Re: gentoo (was: lite distributions)

2002-08-19 Thread shaulka
On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 01:23:01AM +0200, Oleg Kobets wrote: > Guys, I just finished installing Gentoo 1.2 with X and KDE 3.0.2. > > 1. It rocks. > 2. It is very fast. > 3. It took me 2.5 days non stop compiling to install base, xfree 4.1.2, kde Have you encounter problems of source dependencie

Re: Raanaa Instalation Party

2002-08-16 Thread shaulka
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 05:06:40PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > Also, as this is the first installation party I am attending, how do you > go about reducing the partitioned size of the existing disk? Anyone has > a legal copy of PartitionMagic? Any open source alternatives? > >

Re: Raanaa Instalation Party

2002-08-16 Thread shaulka
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 10:40:55AM +0300, Amir Tal wrote: > On Thursday 15 August 2002 19:23, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 07:17:49PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > > Assuming the date turns out ok, I'm willing to help with the actual > > > installations. I have experience

Re: MSIE dedicated sites

2002-07-17 Thread shaulka
On Wed, Jul 17, 2002 at 01:09:53PM +0300, Yehuda Drori wrote: > Hi list.. > > << don't flame me for that. I just would like to know if there is a legal way > to fight the following.. >> > > more and more I read reports about sites that cannot be read/seen/operated > using browsers different th

Is there a DNS problem with www.ivrix.org.il?

2002-05-04 Thread shaulka
Is there a DNS problem with www.ivrix.org.il? $ host www.ivrix.org.il Nameserver not responding www.ivrix.org.il A record not found, try again $ host www.linux.org.il www.linux.org.ilA 192.117.122.34 $ -- Shaul Karl email: shaulka(replace with the at - @ - character

Re: Is www.linux-il down?

2002-05-03 Thread shaulka
ply > > 22:no reply > > 23:no reply > > 24:no reply > > 25:no reply > > 26:no reply > > 27:no reply > > 28:no reply > > 29:no reply > > 30:no reply > > 31:no reply > >Too many hops: pmtu 1500 > >Resume: pmtu 1500 >

Is www.linux-il down?

2002-05-02 Thread shaulka
1500 -- Shaul Karl email: shaulka(replace with the at - @ - character)bezeqint.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the co

Report about the Jerusalem install party?

2001-06-04 Thread shaulka
Can anyone write a short (or longer) report on the install party that was held in Jerusalem last week? -- Shaul Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hillel used to say: If I am not for myself who will be for me? Yet, if I am for myself only, what am I? And if not now, when?

This week at Bar-Ilan linux meeting: Hebrew

2001-06-04 Thread shaulka
This week at Bar-Ilan Linux meeting: - Forwarded message from Jeremy Schiff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Envelope-to: shaul@localhost Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post:

Re: Looking for a (used) VLB SCSI card supported by Linux

2001-04-29 Thread shaulka
On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 02:23:23PM +0300, Yedidya Bar-david wrote: > Hi > > On Sun, Apr 29, 2001 at 01:19:29PM +0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Can I still get a (used) VLB SCSI card supported by Linux? > > What do you mean by 'still'? I don't know of a driver that was > removed recently. > T

Looking for a (used) VLB SCSI card supported by Linux

2001-04-29 Thread shaulka
Can I still get a (used) VLB SCSI card supported by Linux? -- Shaul Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command e

Re: Are there any problems with the linux-il Debian mirror?

2001-04-24 Thread shaulka
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:03:34AM +0300, Ilya Konstantinov wrote: > Hi Shaul, > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 02:21:46AM +0300, Shaul Karl wrote: > > It seems to me that the linux-il server has a problem with the Debian mirror. > > For example, for the last couple of days I am trying to apt-get the

Re: Are there any problems with the linux-il Debian mirror?

2001-04-24 Thread shaulka
On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 11:21:36AM +0300, Alex Shnitman wrote: > Hi, Ilya! > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 07:03:34AM +0300, you wrote the following: > > > > It seems to me that the linux-il server has a problem with the Debian mirror. > > > For example, for the last couple of days I am trying to a

2 EIDE interfaces. Connecting 2 IDE HD + 1 CDROM.

2001-04-11 Thread shaulka
I have the following 2 pieces of data: 1) An EIDE interface can not handle 2 IDE devices concurrently. Only after one of the interfaces has finished doing whatever it was requested to the other one can begin its activities. 2) It is not recommended to have a CDROM and an HD connected to the sam

Re: modem problems

2001-04-06 Thread shaulka
In case you have MS-Win I guess you were able to have your modem operating with it, haven't you? Do post the output of setserial -ga /dev/ttyS[0-4] setserial is controlled either by command line or config file. On my Debian machine the config file is /etc/serial.conf. Do post yours. Ano

Re: Need some help on setting up ADSL on a Linux machine

2001-04-02 Thread shaulka
On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 10:23:22AM +0300, Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and other miracles wrote: > > > Shaul Karl wrote: > > > > 1) What does the follwoing > > > > warn[decaps_gre:pptp_gre.c:239]: discarding out-of-order > > > > means? > > I have no idea. > > >

Re: books recommendation?

2001-04-01 Thread shaulka
On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 08:41:02PM +, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > Hi All, > > Now, that I have some free time, I decided to learn a bit more, so I'm asking > you for recommending books for: > > 1. Perl > 2. Apache > > My knowledge about both of those issues can be summarized as "sucks", and I

Re: GNU C++

2001-03-28 Thread shaulka
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 06:28:58AM +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote: > On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Avi Boots wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Did anyone know what file/s should i install to work > > with all GNU C++ class objects like string, integer and more ? > > > > Thank you, > > > > Avi. > > > > You should in

Posting events on IGLU's front page and http://iglu.org.il/IGLU/events

2001-03-28 Thread shaulka
For all those who post events on iglu's front page with the post article feature I would like to suggest to (also?) post a line or 2 on http://iglu.org.il/IGLU/events. You'll be surprised how easy that is and IMO it will help having all the events there. -- Shaul Karl <[EMAIL

Being installers or otherwise help at Bar Ilan isntallation party?

2001-03-28 Thread shaulka
If someone wants to be an installer or otherwise help in Bar Ilan University installation party plesae contact me. The installation party is planned for Mon, Apr 2nd, 13:00-21:00, in the Dept of Math and CS building on the 3rd floor. More people are expected to arrive during the evening, so help

Re: (Installation Party) and there was a shcedule switch

2001-03-27 Thread shaulka
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:45:56AM +0200, David Shadmi wrote: > Hi, > > The Installation party in Bar-Ilan is scheduled to Monday 2/4/01, and not to Wed >28/3/01, > > Please correct the date in the site. > > Thanks, > David > Linux-il front page (Events section) also announce that David Sha

Re: ISDN one more time (and an off-topic (perl) question).

2001-03-25 Thread shaulka
On Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 10:56:46AM +0200, Oded Arbel wrote: > Hi list! > > I have a simple perl question, if you please : > I have a function that needs to return a hash (%) to the caller - it does so > something like this : > > return %temp; > > and I call it like this : > > %result = subname