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> Moshe
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> --- On *Thu,
-- On Thu, 19/2/09, Shlomi Fish wrote:
From: Shlomi Fish
Subject: Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions!
(was:Re: No noobs?)
To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Date: Thursday, 19 February, 2009, 1:16 PM
On Thursday 19 February 2009 00:40:07 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > I do
On Thursday 19 February 2009 00:40:07 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > I don't see you, Dotan Cohen, asking questions which were already asked
> > recently. I don't think that any of your example questions would
> > currently qualify as noob questions. Long time has passed since anyone
> > compiled his own
> I guess the term newbie here means those that do not search archives or
> google before posting questions.
>
That is consistent with what the anti-noobs have been saying on the
list. However, if so then it should be stated on the signup page:
If you googled and RTFM first, ask here: linux...@~
I
>
>
>
> The kind of newbies' questions which I prefer to avoid is the repeating
>> one. One newbie asks how to mount his USB DiskOnKey. We answer him. A
>> week later, another newbie comes and (being newbie, he is totally
>> unaware of the list archives or of the documentation available from
>>
Omer Zak wrote:
(I actually prefer top-posting, as it saves me the need to scroll
downwards when I do quick reading; but I'll play along in this posting.)
The idea behind not top posting is not to bottom post. That is
meaningless. The idea behind not top posting is to edit the original
mes
On Thu, 19 Feb 2009 00:25:07 +0200
Omer Zak wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 13:42 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > 2009/2/17 Omer Zak :
[... snip snip ...]
>
> (I actually prefer top-posting, as it saves me the need to scroll
> downwards when I do quick reading; but I'll play along in this posting
> I don't see you, Dotan Cohen, asking questions which were already asked
> recently. I don't think that any of your example questions would
> currently qualify as noob questions. Long time has passed since anyone
> compiled his own kernel in Linux-IL or discussed writing a driver.
>
Having uniq
On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 13:42 +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> 2009/2/17 Omer Zak :
> > Shahar's suggestion addresses the problem, and lets busy Linux-IL
> > oldtimers ignore the newbies' questions.
> >
> > However, I am concerned about newbies, who would be confused and post
> > using linux-il rather gnu
Deal!
> I don't mind having newbies-IL traffic as long as we get to shoot people
> that top post, deal? :)
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On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 19:09 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> I personally support accepting beginners' posts here on Linux-IL, assuming
> there will be any. I don't expect the added traffic to overwhelm Linux-IL,
> and
> it may lead to interesting more advanced or more philosophical discussions.
> S
Shlomi Fish wrote:
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 14:23:23 Dotan Cohen wrote:
Compiling a Kernel was a new thing in 1995, when I started doing it. Now
it's usually not necessary for the average user to do, and IMHO saying
that you had to do it to access a device would scare aw
and hope for the best.
Moshe
--- On Tue, 17/2/09, Shlomi Fish wrote:
From: Shlomi Fish
Subject: Re: Linux experts do not want to be bothered with newbie questions!
(was:Re: No noobs?)
To: linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Date: Tuesday, 17 February, 2009, 7:09 PM
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 14:23:23
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 14:23:23 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > Compiling a Kernel was a new thing in 1995, when I started doing it. Now
> > it's usually not necessary for the average user to do, and IMHO saying
> > that you had to do it to access a device would scare away the average new
> > user.
> >
> Compiling a Kernel was a new thing in 1995, when I started doing it. Now
> it's usually not necessary for the average user to do, and IMHO saying that
> you had to do it to access a device would scare away the average new user.
>
> As for writing a driver, it's not a noob thing, it's not even an
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 01:42:07PM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
The problem is, what is a noob question? If I've been running Linux
since 2001 (and I have- Red Hat 7,1 with KDE 2) but I still don't know
how to compile a kernel (and I don't), then am I a noob? If I install
Kubuntu for a friend and h
2009/2/17 Omer Zak :
> Shahar's suggestion addresses the problem, and lets busy Linux-IL
> oldtimers ignore the newbies' questions.
>
> However, I am concerned about newbies, who would be confused and post
> using linux-il rather gnubies-il, so their messages won't be flagged.
> Also, how do we ens
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:21:11AM +0200, Shahar Dag wrote:
> Hi
>
> Can we make the gnubies-il actually an alias (or what ever) to linux-il, and
> configured things that every message sent to gnubies-il will have in the
> subject [GNUBIES].
> This will:
> - be easy to filter gnubies questions
>
thout having to subscribe to gnubies-il. this may help make
> Linux more popular among new users
>
> Shahar
> - Original Message -
> From: Omer Zak
> To: linux-il
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:32 AM
> Subject: Lin
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 09:21:11AM +0200, Shahar Dag wrote:
- give an easy was for advanced users to select which questions to
answer without having to subscribe to gnubies-il. this may help make
Linux more popular among new users
Seriously, will it? There are times that reading this list make
want to be bothered with newbie questions!
(was:Re: No noobs?)
The split between Linux-IL and gnubies-il was made in order to spare the
Linux experts from having to waste their time deleting newbie questions.
Before the split was made, newbie questions caused flame wars and people
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