Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-18 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gil Freund wrote: > On 5/17/06, Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Care to give an estimated price quote on that one? Last time I checked >> it costed about as much as buying another computer. > > No. EXP is a replacement for GSX, and is free (Gratis). You are more > then welcome for

RE: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-17 Thread Tzahi Fadida
lf Of Ira Abramov > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 9:27 AM > To: 'Linux-IL' > Subject: Re: Xen installation, Go #1 > > Quoting Tzahi Fadida, from the post of Wed, 17 May: > > From what I read in ynet, AMD's pacifica (they spelled it > wrong in the > > ar

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-17 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Muli Ben-Yehuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > VMware provides sources to some things, but they don't provide the > sources to all of their kernel modules as far as I know. I have not checked ESX or GSX, just the player. I think there are just vmmon and vmnet, and it looks like they are fairly car

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-17 Thread Gil Freund
On 5/17/06, Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Gil Freund wrote: > Disclaimer: I am a VMware reseller. > > VMware EXP (the next version of GSX, which is now in beta and is > provided free of change) seems to the most appropriate interim > solution to such a platform, until such a time as

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-17 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 03:27:43PM +0300, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: > Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > > > >> .. but that requires a proprietary kernel module, which is we know, > >> is The Root of All Evil. > > > > So does VMware. > > They do provide sourc

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-17 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: > >> .. but that requires a proprietary kernel module, which is we know, >> is The Root of All Evil. > > So does VMware. They do provide sources... I patched vmmon and vmnet recently to make VMware player run on my laptop with

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-17 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: Since you need to support RH 7.2 and 7.3, both of which are based on 2.4, and since Xen 3.0 dropped 2.4 support, you need to either go the VT route (which necessitates new hardware, as well as being on the bleeding edge) or drop the requirement to support 7.2/3, or use som

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-17 Thread Gilad Ben-Yossef
Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: .. but that requires a proprietary kernel module, which is we know, is The Root of All Evil. So does VMware. And Qemu runs just fine with kqemu. Slower, yes, but good enough for many applications. Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Codefidence. A name you

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-17 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Gil Freund wrote: > Disclaimer: I am a VMware reseller. > > VMware EXP (the next version of GSX, which is now in beta and is > provided free of change) seems to the most appropriate interim > solution to such a platform, until such a time as Intel and AMD > provide VT for the masses. Care to give

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-17 Thread Shachar Shemesh
Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > Well, it WAS supposed to be available in Q1/06, but it's now slated to > Q3 or Q4/06, so all Core Duo have VT disabled right now (I confirmed > it with Intel today). I have a client who asked for a price quote that involved Xen running Windows. After much making my supplier

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-17 Thread Ira Abramov
Quoting Tzahi Fadida, from the post of Wed, 17 May: > From what I read in ynet, AMD's pacifica (they spelled it wrong in the > article as facifica) is about to be announce in the next few days on > some new dual core processors. > > http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3251604,00.html and sinc

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-16 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 01:41:05AM +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > Well, it WAS supposed to be available in Q1/06, but it's now slated to > Q3 or Q4/06, so all Core Duo have VT disabled right now (I confirmed > it with Intel today). Core Duo's with VT have been seen in the wild - e.g., http://www.a

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-16 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Wed, May 17, 2006 at 09:28:07AM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote: > On 5/16/06, Muli Ben-Yehuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/IntelVT > > Thanks for the pointer. > > Right now I still don't see any mention of availability of the AMD > equivalent, only "to be reveale

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-16 Thread Amos Shapira
On 5/17/06, Hetz Ben Hamo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry for being misunderstood. I was tlking about Intel and only now I see that you mentioned AMD.. AMD "Pacificia" will be available at Q3 or Q4 this year. Thanks. --Amos -- "(God) is my favourite fictional character." - Homer Simpson ==

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-16 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Sorry for being misunderstood. I was tlking about Intel and only now I see that you mentioned AMD.. AMD "Pacificia" will be available at Q3 or Q4 this year. Thanks, Hetz What do AMD's plans has to do with Intel's? Are you saying that Intel disables VT in all their CPU's now simply because AMD

RE: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-16 Thread Tzahi Fadida
[EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amos Shapira > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 1:28 AM > To: Linux-IL > Subject: Re: Xen installation, Go #1 > > On 5/16/06, Muli Ben-Yehuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/IntelVT >

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-16 Thread Amos Shapira
On 5/17/06, Hetz Ben Hamo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, it WAS supposed to be available in Q1/06, but it's now slated to Q3 or Q4/06, so all Core Duo have VT disabled right now (I confirmed it with Intel today). What do AMD's plans has to do with Intel's? Are you saying that Intel disables V

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-16 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Well, it WAS supposed to be available in Q1/06, but it's now slated to Q3 or Q4/06, so all Core Duo have VT disabled right now (I confirmed it with Intel today). Thanks, Hetz On 5/17/06, Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/16/06, Muli Ben-Yehuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://wiki

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-16 Thread Amos Shapira
On 5/16/06, Muli Ben-Yehuda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/IntelVT Thanks for the pointer. Right now I still don't see any mention of availability of the AMD equivalent, only "to be revealed at beginning of 2006". Is AMD Pacifica available TODAY anywere in the wor

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-16 Thread Gil Freund
On 5/16/06, Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You know how it is you're planning for months to play with something new in case a client ever steps up and asks for it and then one day BOOM, it's being asked for and yuou barely have time to install a pilot? This is the fun of freelance consu

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-16 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 12:11:57PM +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: > >Either that or upgrade your CPUs to Intel's or AMD's CPUs with > >virtualization support. > Hmm, considering that Intel doesn't have anything out for people to > buy yet (current Core Duo offering from Intel have the VT Disabled, >

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-16 Thread Gilboa Davara
On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 11:23 +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: > You know how it is you're planning for months to play with something new > in case a client ever steps up and asks for it and then one day BOOM, > it's being asked for and yuou barely have time to install a pilot? > > Well, I talked a client

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-16 Thread Hetz Ben Hamo
Either that or upgrade your CPUs to Intel's or AMD's CPUs with virtualization support. Hmm, considering that Intel doesn't have anything out for people to buy yet (current Core Duo offering from Intel have the VT Disabled, AMD Pacificia is still not available for the public), mind giving me a l

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-16 Thread Muli Ben-Yehuda
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:23:42AM +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: > it means I have to patch old redhats' kernels to support boothing off > Xen, right? Either that or upgrade your CPUs to Intel's or AMD's CPUs with virtualization support. > Is that a good course of action or would you suggest a more

Re: Xen installation, Go #1

2006-05-16 Thread Geoffrey S. Mendelson
On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 11:23:42AM +0300, Ira Abramov wrote: > also, if I'm completely wrong and Xen is not the way (yet) because of > all the backports of Xen patches and kernel recompiles, I would consider > the VMWare option for such an odd setup. Less headache for the setup > stage and maybe a