Actually, in addition to the LiveEval and the Eval versions SuSE has 2
commercial versions, neither of which should be available as ISO images -
the personal and professional.
All the packages of all the distros (or, in short, the whole professional
6-CD (I think) package library) is on their sit
I don't think he downloaded the commercial version - that shouldn't be
available for download. The live version is only available as an iso image
AFAIK so I will rule out that possibility also.
I also downloaded SuSE 7.1 and it was very large. The main reason for that is
that SuSE packages on
Mike, the SuSE 7.1 have 3 versions:
1. Commercial - thats the 3GB one - which is not intended to download and
install (unless you got lots of time and lots of bandwidth) - it's the mirror.
2. Live version - this version is non installable SuSE - which means - you
put the cd and run Linux from
Why, I think the best way to use the commercial distros is to start with
them and slowly replacing stuff with your own. Just do an rpm -e before
you make install and your on your own from a good base.
Schlomo
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Oren Held wrote:
> Hello Noam
>
> I didn't even know it's out.
> Hello Shaul
>
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Shaul Karl wrote:
>
> > I wonder what would Oren have to say about comparing distros couple of months
> > after (if) he will make his move.
>
> FYI, I've used several distros already, and I've seen the installation of
> ALL the known distros (suse,rh,mdk,d
As soon as I can find the ISO and dirs on the net I'll make a local mirror
on schapiro.org.
Schlomo
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Noam Meltzer wrote:
> Does any1 has this new release of SuSE? I would like to get a copy of
> it, if it's possible. Suse, like in their last release doesn't hurry to
> put an
Hello Shaul
On Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Shaul Karl wrote:
> I wonder what would Oren have to say about comparing distros couple of months
> after (if) he will make his move.
FYI, I've used several distros already, and I've seen the installation of
ALL the known distros (suse,rh,mdk,deb,slack,caldera).
> Then SUSE does not have a site from which one can download up to date
> packages? That + 2.5 months for releasing the ISOs makes me wonder whether
> they are not wrong with their marketing strategy. I wonder what their
> rating among the other distros is. How many SUSE users do we have?
Ofcours
On Sun, Feb 25, 2001 at 08:08:27AM +0200, Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo wrote:
> AS>> Your opinions are yours, of course, but I think you are
> AS>> misrepresenting RMS here. He has always objected to limiting the use
> AS>> of software. Consider his recent review of the new APSL (Apple Public
>
AS>> Your opinions are yours, of course, but I think you are
AS>> misrepresenting RMS here. He has always objected to limiting the use
AS>> of software. Consider his recent review of the new APSL (Apple Public
Well, so he's a hypocrite here. Because when it is regarding his software
(specifically
> Hi
>
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Shaul Karl wrote:
>
> > I am not familiarat all will SUSE and I do not know what is the time lag
> > between releasing a new version and putting the ISOs for free downloading. Yet
> > I am not sure that a reasonable time gap is not desirable. This is because it
> >
On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 02:45:37PM +0200, Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo wrote:
> OH>> I heard from some people that the yast license is pretty 'sly' and some
> OH>> bad things about it. I prefer GPL not because I want to see its source or
> OH>> modify it (Although maybe it could be nice), but be
On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 12:43:23AM +0200, Noam Meltzer wrote:
> It's wrong because that's not the idea of linux, it ment to be a free
> software.
> I usually get confused here, but whatever license it is on (the kernel),
> GPL or GNU (I think GPL) says that u have to put it free of charge for
> d/
On Sat, Feb 24, 2001 at 03:55:21AM +0200, Oren Held wrote:
> Hello Hetz
>
> The wrong thing is that they are getting money for programs that
> volunteers did _FOR FREE_, on their own time.
What is wrong with it? If the volunteers did not want their software
to be used and profited from, they wo
> > Actually, HP and VA Linux are sponsoring people to write GPL drivers for
> > their HP printers (deskjet and laserjet). They're releasing soon 44
> > drivers for those printers..
>
> Actually, the person who made pnm2ppa, worked alone without any support
> from HP. Very nice of them to agree to
Hi Hetz and Oren
On Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Oren Held wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
>
> > > 2. yast is good indeed. but it's not free and it has a stupid license as
> > > far as I understood. I prefer a GPLed program.
> >
> > Bzzt! I definately don't agree with you. USE the righ
OH>> I heard from some people that the yast license is pretty 'sly' and some
OH>> bad things about it. I prefer GPL not because I want to see its source or
OH>> modify it (Although maybe it could be nice), but because I want to be free
OH>> to use it.
GPL has nothing to do with usage, and can not
OH>> SuSE employees are programming a bunch of software. What I said is, that
OH>> there are people such as Koshelev Maxim (Downloader for X's author)
OH>> who build programs at least as big as all the suse programs (yast + some
OH>> bash scripts. It's not a 'bunch' of software imo), and get _NOTH
Hello Stanislav
On Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo wrote:
> OH>> The wrong thing is that they are getting money for programs that
> OH>> volunteers did _FOR FREE_, on their own time. instead of giving
> OH>> the money for the volunteers I'm giving it to the company who
> OH>> pa
Hi
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Shaul Karl wrote:
> I am not familiarat all will SUSE and I do not know what is the time lag
> between releasing a new version and putting the ISOs for free downloading. Yet
> I am not sure that a reasonable time gap is not desirable. This is because it
> let SUSE test th
Hello Noam
On Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Noam Meltzer wrote:
> I dunno about the driver, I remember trying hard and for long time, to
> find an appropriate driver, reading a lot, and achieving nothing. Also,
> their driver was not mentioned in the Printing HOWTO.
http://pnm2ppa.sourceforge.net
Cya,
Oren
OH>> The wrong thing is that they are getting money for programs that
OH>> volunteers did _FOR FREE_, on their own time. instead of giving
OH>> the money for the volunteers I'm giving it to the company who
OH>> packed this and made some nice setup program ? no thanks. they
OH>> should release the
NM>> It's wrong because that's not the idea of linux, it ment to be a free
NM>> software.
Let's get it straight. Let's compare - how many hours of work did you
invest in Linux (as OS, trademark, concept, etc.) and how many SuSE people
did? After you make the balance, think again if you have any r
Hello Hetz
On Sat, 24 Feb 2001, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> > 1. I'm sure suse didn't create this driver by themselves. I believe that
> > what it uses is what I use for my hp720 - pnm2ppa. it's a driver made by
> > someone not related to suse, you can use it with any distro.
>
> Actually, HP and VA
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I dunno about the driver, I remember trying hard and for long time, to
find an appropriate driver, reading a lot, and achieving nothing. Also,
their driver was not mentioned i
Oren,
Although the company doesn't give you support (you download their product for
free, they don't see a single dollar from you AND you want support which
costs them money?), they'll be happy to hear about bugs if you found on their
product. But before you shout about bugs - look at their b
I got to reply to this!
On Saturday 24 February 2001 01:53, Oren Held wrote:
> Hello Noam
Hello Noam, Oren
>
> 1. I'm sure suse didn't create this driver by themselves. I believe that
> what it uses is what I use for my hp720 - pnm2ppa. it's a driver made by
> someone not related to suse, you c
Oren Dear,
The next time that you use your IDE drive, USB devices, Blue tooth device (in
the near future), your motherboard chipset, X windows, KDE or GNOME- think
WHO IS SPONSORING THIS WORK?
Those who package it add lots of values besides collections. What about
writing docs for the distrib
Hello Hetz
The wrong thing is that they are getting money for programs that
volunteers did _FOR FREE_, on their own time. instead of giving the money
for the volunteers I'm giving it to the company who packed this and made
some nice setup program ? no thanks. they should release the d/l version
w
Hello Noam
1. I'm sure suse didn't create this driver by themselves. I believe that
what it uses is what I use for my hp720 - pnm2ppa. it's a driver made by
someone not related to suse, you can use it with any distro.
2. yast is good indeed. but it's not free and it has a stupid license as
far
as
Hello Shaul
Do you really think that they care so much about their 'customers' who pay
them nothing ? They're selling it at this 'gap time'- means it's already
non-buggy in their opinion. they just want people to buy it instead of
d/l.
Cya,
Oren.
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Shaul Karl wrote:
> I am n
HI Noam, others...
I'll be poilte...
The only reason that SuSE are doing this is because they do want to survive
and make money, I belive.
> It's wrong because that's not the idea of linux, it ment to be a free
> software.
No, the source should be free in the GNU/Linux world. True - that NOT
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Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
>
> > I am not familiar at all will SUSE and I do not know what is the time lag
> > between releasing a new version and putting the ISOs for free downloa
> I am not familiar at all will SUSE and I do not know what is the time lag
> between releasing a new version and putting the ISOs for free downloading.
> Yet I am not sure that a reasonable time gap is not desirable. This is
> because it let SUSE test their disk in a more wide scale testing
> env
> Hello Noam
>
> I didn't even know it's out.. hmmm.. the just cause me hate them..
> I really want to move to deb/slack..
>
> I think I'll do it in my next vacation. I'm not having fun using such a
> commercial distro.
>
I am not familiar at all will SUSE and I do not know what is the time l
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I know it's very annoying. And it makes me mad also, but I have two
reasons I'm sticking with it for right now:
1. It has a driver for HP printers I couldn't find anywhere els
Hello Noam
I didn't even know it's out.. hmmm.. the just cause me hate them..
I really want to move to deb/slack..
I think I'll do it in my next vacation. I'm not having fun using such a
commercial distro.
Cya,
Oren.
On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, Noam Meltzer wrote:
> Does any1 has this new release of
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