On Wednesday 14 November 2007 00:27, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> You missed the following in my email:
> "we slowly scare them away due to the many bug reports without any
> reaction."
>
> The problem is that bug reports take time. If you go away from easy
> things like compile errors then even things li
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 05:39:45PM -0700, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 November 2007 10:56, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:13:56PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:52:32PM +0100, Benoit Boissinot wrote:
> > > > Btw, I used to test every -mm ker
From: Sam Ravnborg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:56:06 +0100
> >
> > > If so, MANITAINERS claims that it is subscribers-only. That would cause
> > > some bug reporters to give up and go away.
> >
> > Find some other mailing list; I'm not hosting *nor* am I willing to run a
> > n
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 06:56:06AM +0100, Sam Ravnborg wrote:
> >
> > > If so, MANITAINERS claims that it is subscribers-only. That would cause
> > > some bug reporters to give up and go away.
> >
> > Find some other mailing list; I'm not hosting *nor* am I willing to run a
> > non-subscribers o
>
> > If so, MANITAINERS claims that it is subscribers-only. That would cause
> > some bug reporters to give up and go away.
>
> Find some other mailing list; I'm not hosting *nor* am I willing to run a
> non-subscribers only mailing list. Period. Not negotiable, so don't even
> try to change
From: Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:27:00 -0800
> Let me just say - I'm astonished at how little spam gets though the vger
> lists. Considering how many times those email addresses must have been
> added to spam databases.
>
> It must be a lot of work, and whoever i
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:55:51 -0800 (PST) David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've created [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let me just say - I'm astonished at how little spam gets though the vger
lists. Considering how many times those email addresses must have been
added to spam databases.
It must be a
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:11:36 -0800 Stephen Hemminger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:52:17 -0500
> Chuck Ebbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On 11/13/2007 04:12 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
> > >> Bug fixing is not about finding someone to blame, it's about getting the
> > >> bug
From: Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:40:33 +
> ARM ep93xx defconfig has been broken since 2.6.23-git1 due to:
>
> drivers/net/arm/ep93xx_eth.c:420: error: implicit declaration of function
> '__netif_rx_schedule_prep'
>
> caused by: [NET]: Make NAPI polling indepe
From: Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:32:01 -0800
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:01 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Find some other mailing list; I'm not hosting *nor* am I willing to run a
> > non-subscribers only mailing list. Period. Not negotiabl
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:52:17 -0500
Chuck Ebbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11/13/2007 04:12 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
> >> Bug fixing is not about finding someone to blame, it's about getting the
> >> bug fixed.
> >
> > Partly - its also about understanding why the bug occurred and making it
> >
From: Mark Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:18:43 -0500
> Mind you, no arguing that this is effective when that poor bloke has
> a day free to download the git-tree and build/reboot a dozen times.
Like the internet, this time spent is beneficial because it's
pushing the work out
On 11/13/2007 04:12 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
>> Bug fixing is not about finding someone to blame, it's about getting the
>> bug fixed.
>
> Partly - its also about understanding why the bug occurred and making it
> not happen again.
Very few people think about that part.
On Tuesday 13 November 2007 11:57, Gabriel C wrote:
> > The main problem is finding experienced developers who spend time on
> > looking into bug reports.
>
> There are already. IMO the problem is the development model.
>
> There are tons new features in each new kernel release and 'tons new bugs'
On Tuesday 13 November 2007 10:56, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:13:56PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:52:32PM +0100, Benoit Boissinot wrote:
> > > Btw, I used to test every -mm kernel. But since I've switched distros
> > > (gentoo->ubuntu)
> > > and I
On Tuesday 13 November 2007 07:08, Mark Lord wrote:
> Ingo Molnar wrote:
> ..
>
> > This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_,
> > it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored for
> > years, in favor of the all-too-easy "open source means many eyeballs
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 03:18:07PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> Russell King wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 09:08:32AM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> >> Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >> ..
> >>> This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_,
> >>> it's just that these sorts of things h
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:29:54 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 09:13:19PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:32:19PM +, Russell King wrote:
> > >...
> > > There's another issue I want to raise concerning bugzilla. We have the
> > > c
Thomas Gleixner wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote:
Thomas Gleixner wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote:
Andrew Morton wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 "Natalie Protasevich"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
..
with CONFIG_NO_HZ and/or CONFIG_HPET_TIMER set kernel 2.6.2
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 09:13:19PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:32:19PM +, Russell King wrote:
> >...
> > There's another issue I want to raise concerning bugzilla. We have the
> > classic case of "not enough people reading bugzilla bugs" - which is one
> > of the big
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:09:37 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 02:32:01PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:01 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:52:22PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > On
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 02:32:01PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:01 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:52:22PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:32:19 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > The
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote:
> Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote:
> >
> > > > Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 "Natalie Protasevich"
> > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > ..
> > > > > > > > with CONFIG_NO_HZ and/or
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:24:14 +0100 Jörn Engel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 November 2007 13:56:58 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> >
> > It's relatively common that a regression in subsystem A will manifest as a
> > failure in subsystem B, and the report initially lands on the desk of the
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 06:25:16PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
> > Given the wide range of ARM platforms today, it is utterly idiotic to
> > expect a single person to be able to provide responses for all ARM bugs.
> > I for one wish I'd never *VOLUNTEERED* to be a part of the kernel
> > bugzilla, and re
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:18:01 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:52:22PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:32:19 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > There's another issue I want to raise concerning bugzilla. We have the
>
On Tue, 13 November 2007 13:56:58 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
> It's relatively common that a regression in subsystem A will manifest as a
> failure in subsystem B, and the report initially lands on the desk of the
> subsystem B developers.
>
> But that's OK. The subsystem B people are the one
Jörn Engel wrote:
On Tue, 13 November 2007 15:18:07 -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
I just find it weird that something can be known broken for several -rc*
kernels before I happen to install it, discover it's broken on my own machine,
and then I track it down, fix it, and submit the patch, generally al
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:52:22PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:32:19 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There's another issue I want to raise concerning bugzilla. We have the
> > classic case of "not enough people reading bugzilla bugs" - which is one
> > of
Romano Giannetti wrote:
> This was what I did in my (in the end almost successful) bisecting when
> trying to find the mmc problem (see the thread named "2.6.24-rc1 eat my
> SD card"). This is true in theory, but it has some problem. The "this
> commit does not compile is the easiest and in man git
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:33:58 +0100 Jörn Engel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 November 2007 15:18:07 -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> >
> > I just find it weird that something can be known broken for several -rc*
> > kernels before I happen to install it, discover it's broken on my own
> > mach
On Tuesday, 13 of November 2007, Mark Lord wrote:
> Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:43:53PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> >
> >> mkdir t
> >> cd t
> >> git clone
> >> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git
> >> (wait half an hour)
> >> /usr/bin/du -s
On Tue, 13 November 2007 15:18:07 -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
>
> I just find it weird that something can be known broken for several -rc*
> kernels before I happen to install it, discover it's broken on my own
> machine,
> and then I track it down, fix it, and submit the patch, generally all
> with
From: Julia Lawall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Drop #include in files that also include #include
. module.h includes moduleparam.h already.
The semantic patch implementing this change is as follows:
@ includesmodule @
@@
#include
@ depends on includesmodule @
@@
- #include
Signed-off-by: Julia
I jump in this discussion hoping to have some more insight on git and to
report my experience as a tester. I consider myself as half-literate in
this (I am here since 1991, more or less, and I am able to compile a
kernel and even hand-apply a patch, although I am in no way a kernel
programmer).
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 03:13:46PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 02:26:05PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> ..
>>> If you've been making significant updates to a driver/subsystem,
>>> and people are reporting that it is now broken for them,
>>
>> What are "signif
> Bug fixing is not about finding someone to blame, it's about getting the
> bug fixed.
Partly - its also about understanding why the bug occurred and making it
not happen again.
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:32:19 + Russell King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's another issue I want to raise concerning bugzilla. We have the
> classic case of "not enough people reading bugzilla bugs" - which is one
> of the biggest problems with bugzilla. Virtually no one in the ARM
> co
Russell King wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 09:08:32AM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
Ingo Molnar wrote:
..
This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_,
it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored for
years, in favor of the all-too-easy "open source means
Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 02:26:05PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
..
If you've been making significant updates to a driver/subsystem,
and people are reporting that it is now broken for them,
What are "significant updates"?
Sometimes one person makes one small patch and this patch
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:32:19PM +, Russell King wrote:
>...
> There's another issue I want to raise concerning bugzilla. We have the
> classic case of "not enough people reading bugzilla bugs" - which is one
> of the biggest problems with bugzilla. Virtually no one in the ARM
> community l
Theodore Tso wrote:
>
> Heh. I hadn't enabled CONFIG_BCM43XX_DEBUG myself, but I just changed
> it for my next kernel build. This is a slightly different issue,
> which is that sometimes _DEBUG options shouldn't be turned on by
> default (because they really trash performance and bloat log size),
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:46:49PM +, Russell King wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 08:30:35PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> > There is this silly limit that noone can work more than 168 hours per
> > week on the Linux kernel, and some kernel developers seem to take the
> > liberty of spending
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 02:26:05PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:47:10PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
>>> Adrian Bunk wrote:
> ..
>> Another point is that it shifts the work from the few experienced
>> developers to the many users. Users (and voluntary teste
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 08:30:35PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> There is this silly limit that noone can work more than 168 hours per
> week on the Linux kernel, and some kernel developers seem to take the
> liberty of spending even less time on kernel development...
That limit of 168 hours appli
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 09:08:32AM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> Ingo Molnar wrote:
> ..
> > This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_,
> > it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored for
> > years, in favor of the all-too-easy "open source means many e
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:32:07AM -0800, David Miller wrote:
> Luckily if the report being ignored isn't chaff, it will show up again
> (and again and again) and this triggers a reprioritization because not
> only is the bug no longer chaff, it also now got a lot of information
> tagged to it so i
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 02:12:57PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:47:10PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
>>> Adrian Bunk wrote:
>>> ...
I did bisecting myself, and I know that it costs time and work.
But the first point is the above one that it ma
Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:47:10PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
Adrian Bunk wrote:
..
Another point is that it shifts the work from the few experienced
developers to the many users. Users (and voluntary testers) we have
many, but developer time for debugging bug reports is a quit
Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:47:10PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
Adrian Bunk wrote:
...
I did bisecting myself, and I know that it costs time and work.
But the first point is the above one that it makes otherwise nearly
undebuggable problems debuggable and fixable.
..
Definitel
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:47:10PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
> ...
>> I did bisecting myself, and I know that it costs time and work.
>>
>> But the first point is the above one that it makes otherwise nearly
>> undebuggable problems debuggable and fixable.
> ..
>
> Definitely us
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:32:07 -0800 (PST) David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:12:59 -0800
>
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:58:24 -0800 (PST) David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PRO
Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:13:56PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:52:32PM +0100, Benoit Boissinot wrote:
>>> Btw, I used to test every -mm kernel. But since I've switched distros
>>> (gentoo->ubuntu)
>>> and I have less time, I feel it's harder to test
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 11:33:44AM -0600, Larry Finger wrote:
> I'm very encouraged to read of your expanded testing efforts. As a
> bcm43xx developer, Ubuntu has been our problem distro, mostly
> because your standard kernels have debugging turned off for bcm43xx.
> When a Ubuntu user reports a pr
Matthew Wilcox wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:43:53PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
mkdir t
cd t
git clone
git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git
(wait half an hour)
/usr/bin/du -s linux-2.6
522732 linux-2.6
You're assuming that everything in linux-2.6 was downlo
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:43:53PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> >ie about half what you claim.
> ..
>
> No, it's from earlier in this very thread:
>
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
> >git clone \
> >git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git
> ..
>
> mkdir t
Adrian Bunk wrote:
...
I did bisecting myself, and I know that it costs time and work.
But the first point is the above one that it makes otherwise nearly
undebuggable problems debuggable and fixable.
..
Definitely useful, no question.
But the problem is now that kernel devs are addicted to
Matthew Wilcox wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:50:08PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
It's a 540MByte download over a slow link for everyone else.
Where do you get this number from?
$ du -sh .git/objects/pack/
249M.git/objects/pack/
$ du -sh .git/objects/
253M.git/objects/
ie about half wh
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:50:08PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> It's a 540MByte download over a slow link for everyone else.
Where do you get this number from?
$ du -sh .git/objects/pack/
249M.git/objects/pack/
$ du -sh .git/objects/
253M.git/objects/
ie about half what you claim.
--
Intel
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 01:18:43PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> Adrian Bunk wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:50:08PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
>>> Ingo Molnar wrote:
for example git-bisect was godsent. I remember that years ago bisection
of a bug was a very laborous task so that it was on
> Given the wide range of ARM platforms today, it is utterly idiotic to
> expect a single person to be able to provide responses for all ARM bugs.
> I for one wish I'd never *VOLUNTEERED* to be a part of the kernel
> bugzilla, and really *WISH* I could pull out of that function.
You can. Perhaps t
Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:50:08PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
Ingo Molnar wrote:
for example git-bisect was godsent. I remember that years ago bisection of
a bug was a very laborous task so that it was only used as a final,
last-ditch approach for really nasty bugs. Today we ca
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 05:07:21PM +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote:
>
> > Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 "Natalie Protasevich"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ..
> > > > with CONFIG_NO_HZ and/or CONFIG_HPET_TIMER set kernel 2
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:50:08PM -0500, Mark Lord wrote:
> Ingo Molnar wrote:
>>
>> for example git-bisect was godsent. I remember that years ago bisection of
>> a bug was a very laborous task so that it was only used as a final,
>> last-ditch approach for really nasty bugs. Today we can autono
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 03:15:53AM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 "Natalie Protasevich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > PLATFORM===
> >
> > xipImage is built so that uBoot cant run it (ARM)
> > http://b
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 12:13:56PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:52:32PM +0100, Benoit Boissinot wrote:
> > Btw, I used to test every -mm kernel. But since I've switched distros
> > (gentoo->ubuntu)
> > and I have less time, I feel it's harder to test -rc or -mm kernels (I
Thomas Gleixner wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote:
> Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 "Natalie Protasevich"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ..
> > > with CONFIG_NO_HZ and/or CONFIG_HPET_TIMER set kernel 2.6.23 doesn't
> > > boot (ARM, Timer)
> > > http:/
Ingo Molnar wrote:
for example git-bisect was godsent. I remember that years ago bisection
of a bug was a very laborous task so that it was only used as a final,
last-ditch approach for really nasty bugs. Today we can autonomouly
bisect build bugs via a simple shell command around "git-bisect
> > FILE SYSTEMS===
> >
> > ext4: delalloc space accounting problem drops data
> > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9329
> > Kernel: 2.6.24-rc1
> No response from developers
Actually, there has been a response (Eric asked in mailing l
Thomas Gleixner wrote:
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote:
..
I *still* get very slow resume-from-RAM quite often here
(new in 2.6.23 kernel, wasn't there in early 2.6.23-rc*).
..
Something eventually times out after a minute or so
and it comes back. Cannot make it happen reliably,
unless
Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:52:32PM +0100, Benoit Boissinot wrote:
>> Btw, I used to test every -mm kernel. But since I've switched distros
>> (gentoo->ubuntu)
>> and I have less time, I feel it's harder to test -rc or -mm kernels (I
>> know this isn't a lkml problem
>> but mor
> The other an automated set of standard pre-built bisection points so
> that testers can more easily localize a bug down to a few hundred
> commits without needing to learn how to use "git bisect" (think Ubuntu
> users).
Before that you want a flowchart or instruction list of boot options to
try.
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:33:21 -0600 James Bottomley wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 03:15 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > >
> > SCSI==
> > >
> > > qla2xxx: driver initialization does not complete when booting with
> > > Port connected
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:52:32PM +0100, Benoit Boissinot wrote:
> Btw, I used to test every -mm kernel. But since I've switched distros
> (gentoo->ubuntu)
> and I have less time, I feel it's harder to test -rc or -mm kernels (I
> know this isn't a lkml problem
> but more a distro problem, but I w
On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 07:57:54AM -0800, Ray Lee wrote:
> On Nov 13, 2007 7:24 AM, Giacomo A. Catenazzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As a long time kernel tester, I see some problem with the
> > newer "new development model". In the short merge windows,
> > after to much time, there are to many
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:40:29 +0100 Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
> * Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > Do you believe that our response to bug reports is adequate?
> > >
> > > Do you feel that making us feel and look like shit helps?
> >
> > That doesn't answer my question.
> >
> > Se
* Benoit Boissinot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For debugging, maybe it's time someone does an amazon ec2+s3 service
> to automate the bisecting and create .deb/.rpm from git, I don't know
> how much it would cost though.
a few months ago i estimated the costs of this and it's just a few
tera
* Mark Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ingo Molnar wrote:
> ..
>> This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_,
>> it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored for years,
>> in favor of the all-too-easy "open source means many eyeballs and that is
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote:
> Mark Lord wrote:
> > Andrew Morton wrote:
> > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 "Natalie Protasevich"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ..
> ..
> > > > Suspend to RAM resume hangs on a tickless (NO_HZ) kernel
> > > > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Mark Lord wrote:
> Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 "Natalie Protasevich"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ..
> > > with CONFIG_NO_HZ and/or CONFIG_HPET_TIMER set kernel 2.6.23 doesn't
> > > boot (ARM, Timer)
> > > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug
On Nov 13, 2007 7:24 AM, Giacomo A. Catenazzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As a long time kernel tester, I see some problem with the
> newer "new development model". In the short merge windows,
> after to much time, there are to many patches.
I think the root issue there is that it's hard to get a
On Nov 13, 2007 3:08 PM, Mark Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ingo Molnar wrote:
> ..
> > This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_,
> > it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored for
> > years, in favor of the all-too-easy "open source means man
> > pata_pdc202xx_old excessive ATA bus errors
> > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9337
> > 2.6.24-rc2
>
> No response from developers
Untrue. We've been discussing it on list in the past and its now on
bugzilla. Not obvious from outside I realise. That one I'm afraid is
probably a lon
Mark Lord wrote:
Ingo Molnar wrote:
..
This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational
basis_, it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored
for years, in favor of the all-too-easy "open source means many
eyeballs and that is our QA" answer, which is a _good_ a
On Nov 13, 2007 12:15 PM, Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 "Natalie Protasevich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > This is the listing of the open bugs that are relatively new, around
> > 2.6.22 and up. They are vaguely classified by specific area.
> >
Mark Lord wrote:
Andrew Morton wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 "Natalie Protasevich"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
..
..
Suspend to RAM resume hangs on a tickless (NO_HZ) kernel
http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9275
Kernel: 2.6.23
This is HP notebook nc6320 T2400 945GM
No re
Ingo Molnar wrote:
..
This is all QA-101 that _cannot be argued against on a rational basis_,
it's just that these sorts of things have been largely ignored for
years, in favor of the all-too-easy "open source means many eyeballs and
that is our QA" answer, which is a _good_ answer but by far n
Andrew Morton wrote:
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 "Natalie Protasevich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
..
with CONFIG_NO_HZ and/or CONFIG_HPET_TIMER set kernel 2.6.23 doesn't
boot (ARM, Timer)
http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9229
Kernel: 2.6.23
No response from developers
..
N
Dmitry,
On Friday 26 October 2007 05:41:25 Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> > Most newer Acer laptops (from 2005 onwards) now ship with an extra Dollar
> > and Euro key either side of the 'Up' arrow. These cannot be mapped in the
> > traditional way, since they are not combination keys.
>
> Applied, thank
* Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Do you believe that our response to bug reports is adequate?
> >
> > Do you feel that making us feel and look like shit helps?
>
> That doesn't answer my question.
>
> See, first we need to work out whether we have a problem. If we do
> this,
From: Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 04:12:59 -0800
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:58:24 -0800 (PST) David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:49:16 -0800
> >
> > > Do you believe that our response t
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:58:24 -0800 (PST) David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:49:16 -0800
>
> > Do you believe that our response to bug reports is adequate?
>
> Do you feel that making us feel and look like shit helps?
>
From: Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:49:16 -0800
> Do you believe that our response to bug reports is adequate?
Do you feel that making us feel and look like shit helps?
I guess I'm just masterbating here all night long with the 46
bug fixes I've reviewed fully and q
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:39:46 -0800 (PST) David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:15:53 -0800
>
> > > NETWORKING===
> > >
> > > RTNLGRP_ND_USEROPT does not report ifindex
From: Andrew Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:15:53 -0800
> > NETWORKING===
> >
> > RTNLGRP_ND_USEROPT does not report ifindex (IPv6)
> > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9349
> > Kernel: 2.6.24+
>
> No respons
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On Tue, Nov 13 2007, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > I/O STORAGE===
> >
> > kernel bug from pktcdvd
> > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9294
> > Kernel: 2.6.23
>
> I think we might have fixed this.
It's fixed and merged, I just forgot t
On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:42:32 -0800 "Natalie Protasevich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> This is the listing of the open bugs that are relatively new, around
> 2.6.22 and up. They are vaguely classified by specific area.
> (not a full list, there are more :)
>
> The good part is that reporters of t
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